The Official Fire Ken Dorsey Thread

[BillsFan692]

Is Terry Pegula asleep at the wheel?

7 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

They are not firing McD mid season.  Not even worth discussing it.  Clearly an OC change is what is realistic. 

I think they should absolutely clean house if we are eliminated from the playoffs who cares if its mid season or not.

[All_Pro_Bills]

11 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

They are not firing McD mid season.  Not even worth discussing it.  Clearly an OC change is what is realistic. 

I'm not even ready for a change in the OC mid-season.  Sean simply needs to address the shortcomings of the offensive game plan and play calling with Doresy.  But when I hear the answers McD gives to questions about the offense he leaves me with the impression of a guy that doesn't know what's going on or has no input into the offense.  That's an unacceptable situation for a HC.  Get into the office with Dorsey and let him know what you want to see changed.  I expect he'd be receptive but if he refuses than you've got a problem with your OC and at that point it would be appropriate to relieve him of his duties. 

[nedboy7]

20 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

Is Terry Pegula asleep at the wheel?

I think they should absolutely clean house if we are eliminated from the playoffs who cares if its mid season or not.

 

I dont think Pegula is as emotional and volatile as we are.  It's just a business.  A good one.  He has done a good job.  He probably looks at it thru that lens. 

[Scott7975]

17 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Cover1 was pretty harsh with Dorsey's play calling in their film review this week. Good watch:

 

 

 

It's not just this week.  It's the same plays every week regardless of opponent. This is why the Bills offense is so predictable. An opposing team can watch one week and see the same concepts from all the other weeks.

[Bruffalo]

48 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

They are not firing McD mid season.  Not even worth discussing it.  Clearly an OC change is what is realistic. 

I think a lot of the McD "doomers" have a point, but you're definitely right. He's not going anywhere this season, or probably next.  Moving on from Dorsey is realistic and in my opinion a change that is needed. 

[jethro_tull]

The question is when.  The season will most likely be tanked if they do it now (which they will not). 

[BillsFan692]

52 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

It's not just this week.  It's the same plays every week regardless of opponent. This is why the Bills offense is so predictable. An opposing team can watch one week and see the same concepts from all the other weeks.

Leads to easy INTs as well when the defense knows what is coming

[ddaryl]

4 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

I don't think we need to, and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this Dabol's offense still? It's all about making minor tweaks, and knowing when to call certain plays, and how to attack a defense. Dorsey amazingly has zero feel for the game. That's why our offense feels so clunky.

 

 

I think there is some carry over , but Dorsey has put his stamp all over it and made it his own IMO.

[gobills404]

Let’s see how the Bills offense ranks in different player-based metrics. All stats are from pro football reference unless noted otherwise.

 

completion % - 71.3% - 2nd best

pass block win rate (ESPN) - 65% - 5th best

run block win rate (ESPN) - 74% - 3rd best

drop % - 3.5% - t-8th lowest

yards after the catch - 1091 - 5th most 

yards after contact (rushing) - 395 - 8th most

 

The players are doing their jobs and executing the plays at a high level. The issue is that the plays being called aren’t ending up with points being put up on the board. It’s as clear as day.

6 hours ago, Billever76 said:

^^^This...fans don't realize McDermott isn't only the HC...he is co GM..he is co OC and he is also DC...he is a meddling control freak 

I mean yeah that’s kind of what a HC is supposed to do. They oversee and/or have direct involvement in every aspect of the team. The issue isn’t that he’s a control freak, it’s that he’s just not a smart coach.

[Allen2Moulds]

34 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

I think there is some carry over , but Dorsey has put his stamp all over it and made it his own IMO.

Makes sense. 

[Comebackkid]

On 10/15/2023 at 9:43 PM, KDIGGZ said:

Strip him of play calling. Let's see what Brady or Shula can do

Him and Shula were fired together in Carolina, at the time Shula was the OC

[14774]

I 100% agree that Dorsey must go. If he's fired mid-season, who replaces him? If he's fired after, who replaces him? 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Just a reminder that Dorsey is approaching Matt Canada territory.   He sucks and I hate him

[VaMilBill]

1 hour ago, 14774 said:

I 100% agree that Dorsey must go. If he's fired mid-season, who replaces him? If he's fired after, who replaces him? 

Mid-season, Joe Brady. After the season, we clean house and hire an OC as HC. Ben Johnson or Bobby slowik 

[dayman]

Fire him

[MarkKelso'sHelmet]

Ken Dorsey is not getting it done for Buffalo Bills - Mike Florio | Pro Football Talk | NFL on NBC

 

 

[SydneyBillsFan]

If they can't beat Denver by two scores, he should be punted. No ifs or buts.

Edited November 8, 2023 by SydneyBillsFan

[Chaos]

1 minute ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

If they can't beat Denver by two scores, he should be punted. No ifs or buts.

Andy Reid lost to the Broncos last week. Should the chiefs have relieved him?

[EasternOHBillsFan]

3 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Andy Reid lost to the Broncos last week. Should the chiefs have relieved him?

 

Mahomes had the flu and wanted to play... not a good comparison

[SydneyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

Andy Reid lost to the Broncos last week. Should the chiefs have relieved him?

 

Andy Reid is 7-2 and is currently the number one seed in the AFC.

 

Try again.

[Chaos]

16 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

 

Andy Reid is 7-2 and is currently the number one seed in the AFC.

 

Try again.

The criteria provided is not beating the Broncos by two TDs.  A mentally challenged criteria if there ever was one. 

[DapperCam]

Go let him be a QB Coach for some other team. He isn’t ready for prime time.

[Nihilarian]

Ken Dorsey is a currently bad NFL OC to a point. He has arguably the best QB in the NFL and he is wasting him. He simply doesn't have the experience to guide this team to an SB. The Bills can sometimes beat bad teams as they play to their competition at times.

 

This Bengals game showed how out-coached this team has been all season. They nearly lost to the NY Giants and Buccaneers and had that happened they would be easily be 3-6. Holy crap that really sucks. Still. 5-4 and currently out of the playoff picture.

 

Buffalo still has 3-5 Denver, 4-4 NY Jets, @ 8-1 Eagles, @ 7-2 Chiefs, 5-3 Cowboys, @ 4-4 Chargers, 2-7 Patriots, and @ 6-3 Dolphins.  

 

So, even if they beat the teams they should beat, Denver, Jets, @ Chargers, and Patriots =9 wins

 

While losing to the better teams in the league, @ Eagles, @ Chiefs, Cowboys, and Dolphins = 8 losses which equal a 9-8 record. 

 

At this point, I don't see how they even finish with a winning record. as they could lose to the Broncos, Jets, Chargers, or Patriots. Hell, how did the crappy Patriots beat them by scoring 29 points? They have a -93 point differential.  The offense has been their downfall since that Jags game. 

 

Change is gonna happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and if McD were smart he would get ahead of it. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I still dream they could still get to 13-4 and see the Ravens in the AFC Championship game...then I woke up! 

[Scott7975]

1 hour ago, Chaos said:

The criteria provided is not beating the Broncos by two TDs.  A mentally challenged criteria if there ever was one. 

 

I think that is probably coupled with his year of mediocrity.  More so the last 5 weeks of crap offense.  If it were a once in a while game, I doubt you'd hear as much outrage.

[VaMilBill]

20 hours ago, Chaos said:

Andy Reid lost to the Broncos last week. Should the chiefs have relieved him?

Dude. Andy Reid has won 2 SBs and been to 5 afc championship games straight. He has wayyyy more leash than McD or Dorsey 

[SoonerBillsFan]

IF...and I know this is gonna get blowback... but IF the offense struggles again on Monday night, I say fire dorsey and see if McDaniels will come in and work with Josh and this offense.  Best damn QB he has had outside Brady.

 

Wth at this point.

[The Red King]

Something's gotta give...

[LabattBlue]

3 parts of Dorsey’s duties…

 

1 - play design/scheme

2 - what players are on the field for each play

3 - play calling(and having a knack for the right call against the defense)

 

Where is he failing the most?  You tell me?

 

 

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, VaMilBill said:

Dude. Andy Reid has won 2 SBs and been to 5 afc championship games straight. He has wayyyy more leash than McD or Dorsey 

So your saying if the Bills beat the Broncos 48-38 (less than two touchdowns) Dorsey should be fired.  

[VaMilBill]

12 minutes ago, Chaos said:

So your saying if the Bills beat the Broncos 48-38 (less than two touchdowns) Dorsey should be fired.  

Not at all. I’m saying if the offense plays like it has the last 5 weeks and a majority of the season, then he should be fired. 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

IF...and I know this is gonna get blowback... but IF the offense struggles again on Monday night, I say fire dorsey and see if McDaniels will come in and work with Josh and this offense.  Best damn QB he has had outside Brady.

 

Wth at this point.

I’m not sure if anyone has seen the same thing as me but McD strikes me not only a weak coach, but a weak man. 
 

I believe firing, relieving, replacing a member of the staff is very uncomfortable for him. Even if it comes from Beane, McD probably hides in the shadows when the dirty work is being done. 
 

Cases in point, Frazier. He was straight up fired, but actually saying that gave the organization “the feels.”  
 

2 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

Dude. Andy Reid has won 2 SBs and been to 5 afc championship games straight. He has wayyyy more leash than McD or Dorsey 

I gotta agree…I think if the Chiefs or Mahomes went through a tough stretch or an off season….Reid would get a pass. 
 

On that note, any coach who brings Buffalo its first Championship gets a lifetime pass. 

[Chaos]

11 minutes ago, VaMilBill said:

Not at all. I’m saying if the offense plays like it has the last 5 weeks and a majority of the season, then he should be fired. 

That is not the hypothetical i responded too. I responded to some comment "if the bills don't beat the broncos by 2 td's dorsey should be fired".  So you are not on point at all. 

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

I’m not sure if anyone has seen the same thing as me but McD strikes me not only a weak coach, but a weak man. 
 

I believe firing, relieving, replacing a member of the staff is very uncomfortable for him. Even if it comes from Beane, McD probably hides in the shadows when the dirty work is being done. 
 

Cases in point, Frazier. He was straight up fired, but actually saying that gave the organization “the feels.”  
 

I gotta agree…I think if the Chiefs or Mahomes went through a tough stretch or an off season….Reid would get a pass. 
 

On that note, any coach who brings Buffalo its first Championship gets a lifetime pass. 

AND Reid got the Eagles to 4 straight NFCCG and a superbowl.

[Charles Romes]

I remember in the 90s I thought we always had the edge v. The Dolphins because of their weak D coordinator Olividatti who never had a workable plan. Sure a lot of teams are thinking Buffalo is no threat as long as Dorsey is here. 

[BillsMontreal]

Two years ago, it was our ST coach...Last year, it was our DC...This year it is our OC.

 

Those coaches have one thing in common.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

3 parts of Dorsey’s duties…

 

1 - play design/scheme

2 - what players are on the field for each play

3 - play calling(and having a knack for the right call against the defense)

 

Where is he failing the most?  You tell me?

 

 

 

All of the above

[iccrewman112]

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

3 parts of Dorsey’s duties…

 

1 - play design/scheme

2 - what players are on the field for each play

3 - play calling(and having a knack for the right call against the defense)

 

Where is he failing the most?  You tell me?

 

 

preparation and in game adjustments are not listed here, but are critical.

 

Bills are among the worst on points scored in the 1st Quarter. There was a stat that compared last season and this season the two years under Daboll and the opening drive scoring rate. It’s putrid under Dorsey.

 

bills this year have seemed to figure it out on offense in the 4th quarter. Great! But why is it taking until the 4th?

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

16 minutes ago, BillsMontreal said:

Two years ago, it was our ST coach...Last year, it was our DC...This year it is our OC.

 

Those coaches have one thing in common.

McScapegoat....always has a " save my job coupon" to use....

[EasternOHBillsFan]

McD: “I absolutely do. We’re working extremely hard to make the adjustments we have to make. Ken is doing the same. So, I remain confident in Ken and our offensive staff, and we continue to work hard at improving.”

 

 

[DapperCam]

This guy still has a job?