Kyle Orton: Why doesn't he get a little ex-Bill love?

[BuffaloBillyG]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What do you mean, that was it? It was the second quarter. We scored a field goal.

You never know what may happen on a play also includes bad things.

 

Orton gets his head taken off and fumbled and he’d be crushed. You know it to be true

Yup. Bad things can happen. But choosing a bad result with no effort isn't always the answer, either.

 

The question of why he isn't revered here is answered with that one play. It isn't so much that play is that his whole career here was a "business decision". That play just seems like the best example of his efforts for the entirety of his time here.

[Rigotz]

Because he played for us for 1 season in the last year of his career.

[hondo in seattle]

15 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:

He played like 14 games.  Also, 4th down slide against Denver with the playoffs on the line.  He gets as much love as he deserves.

 

As a Purdue alum, I was rooting for Orton throughout his NFL career.  Then the slide happened.  

[Big Turk]

Because he sucked?  The play I remember him most is needing a 3rd down conversion on a scramble late in the game we were trailing and he went down on his own before contact when it looked like he could have gotten the first down if he just tried to keep running forward...

 

No respect for that man. Could you imagine Kelly, Fitz or Allen doing this??

Edited October 6, 2023 by Big Turk

[Mc1320]

Garbage quarterback on a garbage team……

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Yup. Bad things can happen. But choosing a bad result with no effort isn't always the answer, either.

 

The question of why he isn't revered here is answered with that one play. It isn't so much that play is that his whole career here was a "business decision". That play just seems like the best example of his efforts for the entirety of his time here.

 

That's exactly the phrase I was thinking of. Whether it was the right decision is irrelevant - it was a "business decision" and not a "legends of the game" decision.

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

I have been waiting for Billy Joe Hobert but I guess he forgot to study the shout song.

[Paup 1995MVP]

16 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

He retired halfway through the season but decided he still wanted the game checks so he kept showing up to work.

 

Despite everything he was still the best QB between Bledsoe and Allen which is incredibly sad.

You think he was better then Fitzie?

 

Why are we bringing back guys from the draught era anyways?  They won nothing.  Isn't it enough to just go and root for a championship caliber team in the present?  All the extra is just that extra.

 

There are a few draught era guys who played like champions.  Kyle Williams, Fred Jackson, Terrance McGhee and maybe Aaron Schobel  come to mind.  But the organization should be focused on the present unless they are putting someone on the Wall.  

 

As for Orton, he had his moments.  But the slide was weak.  Just like Cam Newton not diving for the fumble against the Broncos in the Super Bowl.  

[BananaB]

Why don’t we give every mediocre player love? 

[Livinginthepast]

The Orton era was indeed a bizarre time. Never have I seen a guy play professionally who looked so uncommitted or disengaged from the rest of his team or the place he was playing in. It was really weird. We were so desperate for a winner in those days there is no way that Orton wouldn't've have seen that and as a normal human being not wanted to at least do his best to end the drought and win. Yet it was the opposite with Orton, he was a true mercenary or (an even more negative analogy) he was high priced escort. Yup, no feelings involved with that guy, just do what you have to do and take payment and GTFO. The worst thing about Orton is not anything he did but the strange fact that he was completely superior to our #1 draft pick EJ Manuel. The team was actually competitive with him and really should have made the playoffs. A lot of people are citing the Denver slide as the moment they had had enough with him. I held on to the Raider game in December but Orton had a pretty awful game with the season on the line and we were done and dusted after that.

[BillsPride12]

Dude...we've got JOSH F'N ALLEN now baby!!!

 

Why are we wasting any time talking about this bum?  

[starrymessenger]

20 hours ago, stevewin said:

This was my avatar during the 'Orton Era'

 

Where's the woman...oh wait.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

19 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

I enjoyed the Lions game a lot. One of the more enjoyable drought era games. 

Is that the one w/ the laser pointer?

[BillsShredder83]

18 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He's auditioning for the new Marlboro Man role somewhere 😎

That dudes got a wild Twitter lol picture the stereotypical bad southern racist guy in every movie, that's him. Hard to say in shocked lol

[HurlyBurly51]

Seems pretty self explanatory....

 

[Mikie2times]

1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Is that the one w/ the laser pointer?

That was the one! 

[Dablitzkrieg]

Lol, that's a crap question 🤣 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

I posted a very similar thread, but about Tyrod Taylor. I got a **** load of negative reactions for that one. We are so spoiled w/ Josh Allen now. Now those guys seem worse than they really were. I think Orton was a decent game manager and you could see the whole offense starting to flow much better when he replaced EJ. 

Edited October 6, 2023 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Livinginthepast]

2 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Is that the one w/ the laser pointer?

Yup some dbag in the Detroit audience trying to hit him in the eyes!

[Kenosha2Buffalo]

"playoffs on the line" it was the second quarter lol. Longshot anyways. His effort was minimal but he was a lot better then anyone else we had in that era lol 

[nedboy7]

14 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Getting the first down or not getting it really has no bearing. It was a business decision on his part. Had he tried and failed the effort would have been remembered and appreciated. 

 

On Diggs long TD just last week he didn't stop. Didn't just go down. Fought through 2 guys. Point is you never know what may happen on a play. 

Exactly.  I have no respect for that man. 

[Buffalo716]

11 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

Exactly.  I have no respect for that man. 

Comparing a 28 year old prime WR vs a formally retired QB we brought out of retirement who NEVER had athleticism... is asinine

 

It's literally a stupid comparison... Orton was gonna retire before we dragged him back 

 

He wasn't a prime athlete 

 

And thinking he's taking that hit is stupid considering his age and style ... most QBs are sliding and that's a fact 

 

99% of players value health and he's not a RB

 

Bills fans value toughness over talent.. they will take a less talented player who is tough over talent for 60 years of this franchise 

 

Orton wouldn't have played again if he didn't slide but bills fans would rather have him demolished and talk what if

Edited October 7, 2023 by Buffalo716

[gobills1212]

On 10/5/2023 at 7:29 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

Unfortunately he played in a very mediocre era for Bills football but he was okay as a QB. But we never see him at Bills games leading the charge or coming back for alumni events. Why is that?

I laugh each year the Orton cigar photo pops up on my FB feed from XX yrs ago. Sadly, he was in such preservation mode at the end after knowing he was going to retire, I think the phantom sacks kinda washed away what he was able to do here. In the end, even though I like the dude and even have one of hos game worn jerseys - he was just the anti-Manuel. He would sling it and take chances EJ wouldnt. He was a very poor mans Fitz and even poorer mans Favre. Dude just slung it and at the time it was a breath of fresh air

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Comparing a 28 year old prime WR vs a formally retired QB we brought out of retirement who NEVER had athleticism... is asinine

 

It's literally a stupid comparison... Orton was gonna retire before we dragged him back 

 

He wasn't a prime athlete 

 

And thinking he's taking that hit is stupid considering his age and style ... most QBs are sliding and that's a fact 

 

99% of players value health and he's not a RB

 

Bills fans value toughness over talent.. they will take a less talented player who is tough over talent for 60 years of this franchise 

 

Orton wouldn't have played again if he didn't slide but bills fans would rather have him demolished and talk what if

 

All of this. And one addition - people talk about that play as though it was game on the line it all came down to it. It wasn't. Not even close. 

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

All of this. And one addition - people talk about that play as though it was game on the line it all came down to it. It wasn't. Not even close. 

Can you say that in a buddy nix accent

[Scott7975]

On 10/5/2023 at 7:37 PM, K-9 said:

All you need to know:

 

 

 

Yeah, I was an Orton fan until that point.  Not because I thought he was franchise but more so like a Fitz that could hold the fort down and I thought EJM was terrible.  That slide though... totally made me say F him.

[John from Riverside]

He just wasn’t the guy we made a lot of mistakes back in those days

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I can’t tell if this is a serious post.  If QBs were family members Kyle Orton would be mom’s boyfriend Jeff who took us to the county fair one time and bought us a corn dog and then we never saw him again.  Why would he be at reunions?

[jlgarsh]

I will say being at the game vs. The Vikings where he converted a 4th and 24 before throwing the game winning pass to (I think) Sammy Watkins was a blast. One of the craziest moments from when I had season tickets. The Uncle Rico memes were hilarious too.

 

As much as Marrone was a quitter, he was a better Bills coach than Rex. For all the complaining people (including me) have done about McDermott, it's night and day comparing him to anyone from the drought era. 

 

Go Bills!!!

[BuffaloBillyG]

8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Comparing a 28 year old prime WR vs a formally retired QB we brought out of retirement who NEVER had athleticism... is asinine

 

It's literally a stupid comparison... Orton was gonna retire before we dragged him back 

 

He wasn't a prime athlete 

 

And thinking he's taking that hit is stupid considering his age and style ... most QBs are sliding and that's a fact 

 

99% of players value health and he's not a RB

 

Bills fans value toughness over talent.. they will take a less talented player who is tough over talent for 60 years of this franchise 

 

Orton wouldn't have played again if he didn't slide but bills fans would rather have him demolished and talk what if

 

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

All of this. And one addition - people talk about that play as though it was game on the line it all came down to it. It wasn't. Not even close. 

The original question that was asked was "Why doesn't Orton get more ex Bills love".  

 

When talking about Orton that slide always comes up. I can't speak for all, but speaking for myself it's not so much that he slid and didn't take an unnecessary shot. However that play is more symbolic of his efforts in a Bills uniform. I'm reminded of an old quote I hear years ago.

 

"There may be people that have more talent than you, but there is no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do."

 

It's been said over and over her that he was basically retired and painted like we had to drag him kicking and screaming onto the field to play. He was offered a job which he chose to take.  

 

Bills fans choosing toughness over talent isn't an Buffalo exclusive thing. It's a pretty common factor in football fans (and in life in general) that people that put in the effort are usually respected and remembered more fondly then those that just do the bare minimum. That was Kyle Orton. The bare minimum. And THAT'S why Kyle Orton doesn't get more love as an ex-Bill.

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

 

The original question that was asked was "Why doesn't Orton get more ex Bills love".  

 

When talking about Orton that slide always comes up. I can't speak for all, but speaking for myself it's not so much that he slid and didn't take an unnecessary shot. However that play is more symbolic of his efforts in a Bills uniform. I'm reminded of an old quote I hear years ago.

 

"There may be people that have more talent than you, but there is no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do."

 

It's been said over and over her that he was basically retired and painted like we had to drag him kicking and screaming onto the field to play. He was offered a job which he chose to take.  

 

Bills fans choosing toughness over talent isn't an Buffalo exclusive thing. It's a pretty common factor in football fans (and in life in general) that people that put in the effort are usually respected and remembered more fondly then those that just do the bare minimum. That was Kyle Orton. The bare minimum. And THAT'S why Kyle Orton doesn't get more love as an ex-Bill.

 

He doesn't get love cos he played here for 12 games. Had they broken the drought he would get love slide or otherwise. People who hang on to that slide are ridiculous.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He doesn't get love cos he played here for 12 games. Had they broken the drought he would get love slide or otherwise. People who hang on to that slide are ridiculous.

You mean the way people adore Tyrod Taylor?

[nedboy7]

9 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Comparing a 28 year old prime WR vs a formally retired QB we brought out of retirement who NEVER had athleticism... is asinine

 

It's literally a stupid comparison... Orton was gonna retire before we dragged him back 

 

He wasn't a prime athlete 

 

And thinking he's taking that hit is stupid considering his age and style ... most QBs are sliding and that's a fact 

 

99% of players value health and he's not a RB

 

Bills fans value toughness over talent.. they will take a less talented player who is tough over talent for 60 years of this franchise 

 

Orton wouldn't have played again if he didn't slide but bills fans would rather have him demolished and talk what if

 

Ok I like him again then.  I want everyone to be happy. 

[GunnerBill]

51 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

You mean the way people adore Tyrod Taylor?

 

Well some people do. 

[Steve O]

On 10/5/2023 at 7:29 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

Unfortunately he played in a very mediocre era for Bills football but he was okay as a QB. But we never see him at Bills games leading the charge or coming back for alumni events. Why is that?

below is exactly the answer I was thinking about when the question above was asked. The guy expected to come out of retirement and carry a clipboard for a few weeks and get paid 5 million. An offer that was too sweet to refuse. Tried saying that he thought it was second down, which is just as bad as making the slide if true (which I don't believe it is.)

 

On 10/5/2023 at 7:30 PM, TheBrownBear said:

He played like 14 games.  Also, 3rd down slide against Denver with the playoffs on the line.  He gets as much love as he deserves.

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Steve O

[C.Biscuit97]

I thought about it. He still sucks and he is a coward. Dude had 2 good games against the jets and led us to less points/ game than EJ in the other ones.

 

people who like Orton like ranch with their wings.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

On 10/6/2023 at 10:27 AM, Prospector said:

Orton was one of the best I have ever seen who would literally sack himself... It got impressive after awhile, he would just be like, "meh, I have been standing in the pocket too long, time to sit down."

Low blood pressure can do that to you.  Take the snap from the centre too quickly, drop back quickly, and you see stars.

[Mr. WEO]

"The slide"  lol

 

as GunnerBill has posted--ridiculous.  Maybe the paramount of all TBD bad takes.

 

derpa derpa but dat sliiiide....

 

Edited October 7, 2023 by Mr. WEO

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

You mean the way people adore Tyrod Taylor?

I believe the CoT still does special

services most weeks, and they want everyone to wear these shoes to their next meeting.

 

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1 hour ago, Steve O said:

below is exactly the answer I was thinking about when the question above was asked. The guy expected to come out of retirement and carry a clipboard for a few weeks and get paid 5 million. An offer that was too sweet to refuse. Tried saying that he thought it was third down, which is just as bad as making the slide if true (which I don't believe it is.)

 

 

It was third down. Your memory is horrific, go watch the video evidence of the play.

 

The myth of the slide continues to grow. Next it will be Orton slid before the goal line with no time left.

[Steve O]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

 

It was third down. Your memory is horrific, go watch the video evidence of the play.

 

The myth of the slide continues to grow. Next it will be Orton slid before the goal line with no time left.

You are correct, it was third down not 4th, he said he thought it was second down. Shame on me for not watching the play. Didn't mean to upset you.