Beane’s failures on full display

[BillsDiehard]

29 minutes ago, buffblue said:

 

I thought Cook was fine

3.8 yards / carry...he's singletary...

[Bubba Gump]

3 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That was the weird part. I thought Harris was going to get significant carries. Running Cook between the tackles makes me cringe. 

 

Every plus run for Cook was to the outside. Why they try and force him up the middle is just pure stupidity. 

[PBF81]

7 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I am never watching that ***** dumpster fire again.  You couldn't pay me.

 

I do recall a great read and run gap fit for 1 yard by Bernard. Maybe third Q? 

 

We'll, he plays MLB, he's expected to do it regularly.  I assure that he did not fit it anything close to regularly.  He got blown up many times.  

 

 

[John from Riverside]

13 and three
 

Won the AFC east for what the last three years

 

You look like a fool

[FireChans]

Just now, PBF81 said:

 

We'll, he plays MLB, he's expected to do it regularly.  I assure that he did not fit it anything close to regularly.  He got blown up many times.  

 

 

My expectation for BERNARD at MLB were basically in the basement, so doing it once was a pleasant surprise tbh.

[PBF81]

9 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Idk why people are surprised that Allen had a bad game against the Jets who were specifically built to stop him. Joe Burrow is 7-8 all time in the AFCN and no one questions him even after he put up an even worse stat line yesterday. It’s not unheard of for QBs to have bad games within their conference. 

 

With two games to plan from, McD couldn't even get us to our 2-game average of last season, with a better offense.  

 

Last season we had the 2nd ranked scoring offense.  Six teams or up more points against them than we did in our best game last season.  They ranked 8th, 11th, 14th, 18th, 23rd, and 26th.  

 

 

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

1 minute ago, Bubba Gump said:

 

Every plus run for Cook was to the outside. Why they try and force him up the middle is just pure stupidity. 

I don’t understand why they put Cook in these

spots. He’s not an inside 

runner and has never been. He’s light in the a$$.  No ability to run through contact and in fact, he crumbles.  It’s weird. He’s a limited back and another Beane failure. He’s not terrible but he’s a niche RB 

[Buffalo716]

15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Wait.  Whaaat?

 

 

So you don't remember Nate Peterman throwing 5 interceptions in one half?

 

We have one of the best quarterbacks in the world... It can get a lot worse

 

Yeah we would have got blown out without Josh Allen.. you don't know how many pick 6 and fumbles could have happened

Edited September 12, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

15 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I am never watching that ***** dumpster fire again.  You couldn't pay me.

 

I do recall a great read and run gap fit for 1 yard by Bernard. Maybe third Q? 

One of my buddies i was watching the game with was saying they gotta be run blitzing him. I was like run blitzes are incredibly rare unless you’re playing the titans.  He was just picking gaps and not paying  attention to his keys at all. It was clear as Day. Not only that but he has zero ability to take on blockers.  He was late on a run to the outside and couldn’t cross Bectons face and got absolutely rag-dolled. 
He has no power or thump. Light hands. I honestly don’t know what they see in him! 

[Mango]

I’ve been pretty hard on Beane at times. But today just about every unit played somewhere between well and lights out except…..QB. 
 

I guess maybe there was some meh at RB up the middle. Also one play where Bernard got hilariously knocked on his ash. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Mango

[Thrivefourfive]

18 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Plenty to be angry about tonight. But Beanes wins were out there tonight too. 
Rousseau was dominating and looked like the best player on the field the first half, Floyd got the stats but Rousseau wrecked the game when he was out there. 
Torrence managed to hold up pretty impressively for his first game against what’s considered a top D line imo 
Benford held up. 
Epenesa made a play or two in his limited time. 
Kincaid obviously impressed in his limited touches. 
I get the negativity but let’s not just ignore some of the bright spots as we try and place blame on everyone. 

The negativity should be prioritized: Allen throwing it to Jets as if they’re teammates,,,,

 

3rd&2 here, sure lets throw to the same exact quickout/10y out design that didn’t work earlier in the game with two bigger TEs and this time we’ll use G. Davis a wr, so the Jets counter with top safety help = INT and an awful one. Then, fumbles twice on one play, and losses away the second fumble. That was after the Jets tied the game 13. The Bills already in imploding mode with the fighting. 
 

Then Goddam Allen.. no clue why you couldn’t complete the pass to Murray who was right in front of you on the left side which wouldn’t given Bass a gimme as opposed to the 50 clanker good. SBXXV flashback for me, except worse still, Allen threw it to Murray like Murray was death and would destroy the world if he caught that ball. 
 

Dorsey’s stale ass play designs. 
 

Beane can’t be blamed for Dorsey job and Allen’s play, that’s more on McD keeping Dorsey, and not getting real coaching for JA17. 
 

Beane could be asked about all these DBs that have more issues than Playboy, but that might be all McD’s calls anyways. And I don’t think “Beane!” when I think Offesive line guru whisperer.. maybe someone needs to be hired on draft day for that.

[Simon]

4 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

One of my buddies i was watching the game with was saying they gotta be run blitzing him. I was like run blitzes are incredibly rare unless you’re playing the titans.  He was just picking gaps and not paying  attention to his keys at all. It was clear as Day. Not only that but he has zero ability to take on blockers.  He was late on a run to the outside and couldn’t cross Bectons face and got absolutely rag-dolled. 
He has no power or thump. Light hands. I honestly don’t know what they see in him! 

 

They were attacking the A gap repeatedly tonight with both LB's and Safeties

[Ethan in Cleveland]

37 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Completely agree, his tackles seemed to be downfield.  I'm sure that there were a couple, but I can't recall any that were in the box, particularly stuffing the line.

 

In fact, on one play, I texted my buddy and said that he looked like a log in a tsunami.  

 

He was abused in the running game.  Made a few nice tackles on pass plays, but after gains.  

 

 

He made one nice tackle solo for a 1 yard gain. Other than that he got trucked the whole game. I swear to God I couldn't tell him and Benford apart. He is so small that he makes Milano look big. 

It's a dam joke McDermott thinks this guy can play. Another Nathan Peterman. Bernard wouldn't make half the rosters in the NFL but he starts for McDumbass.

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

They were attacking the A gap repeatedly tonight with both LB's and Safeties

Maybe Bernard was doing that on his own because he’s clueless, has no instincts and was guessing all night. But we certainly weren’t repeatedly attacking the interior gaps to stop the run. Maybe if we were playing Navy 

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

Maybe Bernard was doing that on his own because he’s clueless, has no instincts and was guessing all night. But we certainly weren’t repeatedly attacking the interior gaps to stop the run. Maybe if we were playing Navy 

 

I'm pretty sure he wasn't freelancing in his first game.

And the triple option would wreck this team.

[Aimee75]

Yeah, you know, Beanes draft picks were not the problem tonight. Rousseau and Kincaid looked good. Where Beane has missed is bringing in more help. We needed it in the off season. I would not have cared if he sacrificed some of the defense for a stronger OL, or more weapons for Josh. Really, really wanted DHop. This was the most disappointing off season in a while, and made me think he has given up on trying to bring in players to get us over the hump.

[Bubba Gump]

5 hours ago, Billznut said:

I firmly believe Allen sees Dorsey as a peer than more of a boss or superior.  Allen hand picked Dorsey to succeed Daboll. It wouldn’t have happened unless Josh agreed to it. I think the single best thing the Bills could do is replace Dorsey with a seasoned veteran OC with a winning and proven resume that would hopefully instantly wake up Allen and give him someone he respects, believes, listens to. Allen needs a superior as OC, not a peer. 

 

I totally agree with you. I really think the only reason Dorsey is OC is because Josh wanted him. But otoh, I'm not sure the constant dumb plays can be coached out of Allen. 6 years now and he is still making some of the worst decisions. 

[Chuck Wagon]

Cheaping out on DeAndre Hopkins when he’s literally doing podcasts saying he would love to come to Buffalo because you “don’t want to mortgage the future” when the future is draft picks in the 20s and a rapidly aging core was a colossal mistake. 
 

 

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

5 hours ago, Simon said:

 

He led all players in both total and solo tackles tonight. 

Josh Allen lead all players in total passing yards. 🤷‍♂️ 

[Chandler#81]

5 hours ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

1. Spencer Brown sucks. That’s it. He sucks and Beane had plenty of chances to bring in competition. Josh doesn’t trust him. 

2. MLB is a disaster and not bringing in a vet to compete was an obvious blunder. Bernard just jumping into gaps was something I’ve never seen before from a NFL MLB. 

3. Cook is not a lead back and has never been a lead back. Not in high school, not in college and certainly not in the NFL. You could sneeze on the guy and he’d fall down. 
 

Josh was terrible today and Dorsey was brutal but Beane’s failures were on full display tonight. 

Wrong thread. You’re looking for the Overreaction Tuesday thread.

[oldmanfan]

5 hours ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

1. Spencer Brown sucks. That’s it. He sucks and Beane had plenty of chances to bring in competition. Josh doesn’t trust him. 

2. MLB is a disaster and not bringing in a vet to compete was an obvious blunder. Bernard just jumping into gaps was something I’ve never seen before from a NFL MLB. 

3. Cook is not a lead back and has never been a lead back. Not in high school, not in college and certainly not in the NFL. You could sneeze on the guy and he’d fall down. 
 

Josh was terrible today and Dorsey was brutal but Beane’s failures were on full display tonight. 

Brown had a couple bad things including the false start.  Overall held up OK

 

Bernard was not the reason they had a couple great runs, and overall the D held them all game.

 

Cook was gaining a lot of yards going outside, and we win the game if Josh got the ball a little farther out when Cook beat his guy in that wheel route.

 

This game was on Josh.  He sucked.

[JoPoy88]

5 hours ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

1. Spencer Brown sucks. That’s it. He sucks and Beane had plenty of chances to bring in competition. Josh doesn’t trust him. 

2. MLB is a disaster and not bringing in a vet to compete was an obvious blunder. Bernard just jumping into gaps was something I’ve never seen before from a NFL MLB. 

3. Cook is not a lead back and has never been a lead back. Not in high school, not in college and certainly not in the NFL. You could sneeze on the guy and he’d fall down. 
 

Josh was terrible today and Dorsey was brutal but Beane’s failures were on full display tonight. 

Many of Beane’s picks made plays last night. Allen gave the game away.

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 hours ago, The Frankish Reich said:

That was the weird part. I thought Harris was going to get significant carries. Running Cook between the tackles makes me cringe. 

Harris looked really slow. I wonder if his knee is still bothering him. 

5 hours ago, BillsDiehard said:

3.8 yards / carry...he's singletary...

You're about a yard short of him being Singletary. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Many of Beane’s picks made plays last night. Allen gave the game away.

Floyd was outstanding also. Can’t imagine our pass rush once Von is healthy.

 

The Jets give Allen problems because they challenge our receivers to make plays. Allen is a great QB but he’s not the best at sitting in the pocket and going through progressions. If he doesn’t see something he likes he bails the pocket. Jets defense is also very disciplined. It’s a defense you have to dink and dunk against.

[colin]

C'mon, we lost because the jets do something simple and do it great: they dared Josh to throw deep while covering and tackling great.

 

The underneath stuff was there all day, but it left us just shy of the first a couple times so Allen ate the cheese and pressed and made horrible horrible decisions.

 

One int was thrown w a jet in his face, but the other three turnovers were moronic choices Allen made without heavy durress.

[SectionC3]

6 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

He had 1 solo tackle at halftime. 
 

Finished with 4 solo and 7 assists. Looked fast but was pushed around on a few plays I saw. Still, pretty big adjustment to do that in two quarters.

 

Milano was insane. Tre is also back for the most part. He essentially shut Wilson down outside of that crazy end zone catch. Floyd was super impressive. The defensive was actually pretty damn good. 

Tre also missed a tackle on the huge run.  

[TheWeatherMan]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Sometimes I wonder if I’m watching the same game as people.

Agree, placing this loss on anyone other than our QB or OC is dumb.  They really are the only two who had awful games.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, TheWeatherMan said:

Agree, placing this loss on anyone other than our QB or OC is dumb.  They really are the only two who had awful games.  

I don’t know about Dorsey yet. Obviously can’t say good things but I want to see if Allen wasn’t seeing open receiving targets. He had a great call to Cook and Allen missed him.

 

I also felt there were a couple plays that broke down immediately after snap like someone didn’t know the play so Allen kept it and ran up the middle.

 

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

He had 1 solo tackle at halftime. 
 

Finished with 4 solo and 7 assists. Looked fast but was pushed around on a few plays I saw. Still, pretty big adjustment to do that in two quarters.

 

Milano was insane. Tre is also back for the most part. He essentially shut Wilson down outside of that crazy end zone catch. Floyd was super impressive. Th

 

Tre is back huh? You realize it was his missed tackle that surrendered the really long hall run, right?

 

And that wasn't his only miss.

[mannc]

Allen looks exactly like a raw rookie, not a franchise QB going into his sixth season…bailing the pocket at the first sign of trouble, forcing the ball to blanketed receivers, not seeing open guys…this s**t needs to get figured out in a hurry.

[buffblue]

5 hours ago, BillsDiehard said:

3.8 yards / carry...he's singletary...

You do realize that the Jets have one of the best defensive fronts in football, yes? 

 

Any discussion on why the Bills lost this football games starts and ends with Josh Allen's moronic decision making and inability to not put the ball in harms way

[EmotionallyUnstable]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Don’t drink.

There’s your problem 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, EmotionallyUnstable said:

There’s your problem 

I might start.

[BillsFan692]

6 hours ago, Billznut said:

I firmly believe Allen sees Dorsey as a peer than more of a boss or superior.  Allen hand picked Dorsey to succeed Daboll. It wouldn’t have happened unless Josh agreed to it. I think the single best thing the Bills could do is replace Dorsey with a seasoned veteran OC with a winning and proven resume that would hopefully instantly wake up Allen and give him someone he respects, believes, listens to. Allen needs a superior as OC, not a peer. 

Letting josh pick his own OC was a headscratcher immediately when it happened so no shocker there

[SirAndrew]

I like signing a ton of special teams guys, marching out a special teams player as captain for the OT coin toss, then promptly giving up a punt return TD. That sums it all up for me today. 

[JerseyBills]

6 hours ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

1. Spencer Brown sucks. That’s it. He sucks and Beane had plenty of chances to bring in competition. Josh doesn’t trust him. 

2. MLB is a disaster and not bringing in a vet to compete was an obvious blunder. Bernard just jumping into gaps was something I’ve never seen before from a NFL MLB. 

3. Cook is not a lead back and has never been a lead back. Not in high school, not in college and certainly not in the NFL. You could sneeze on the guy and he’d fall down. 
 

Josh was terrible today and Dorsey was brutal but Beane’s failures were on full display tonight. 

This game is on 17. Plain and simple.  Dude looked absolutely lost. Made horrendous throws. I mean throwing into double and triple coverage.. Inexcusable.  I'm not even upset like usual, they deserved the L. It was like a continuation of the Bengals game for the O. The D was fine. 

 

Zch Wilson outplayed him

Edited September 12, 2023 by JerseyBills

[Bill from NYC]

6 hours ago, McBean said:

News flash: this is Sean McDermott’s team. He’s Terry Pegula’s son. Beane is McClaps puppet.

Indeed!!!!!!!!

[JerseyBills]

39 minutes ago, mannc said:

Allen looks exactly like a raw rookie, not a franchise QB going into his sixth season…bailing the pocket at the first sign of trouble, forcing the ball to blanketed receivers, not seeing open guys…this s**t needs to get figured out in a hurry.

Yup. Very concerning.  

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Brown had a couple bad things including the false start.  Overall held up OK

 

Bernard was not the reason they had a couple great runs, and overall the D held them all game.

 

Cook was gaining a lot of yards going outside, and we win the game if Josh got the ball a little farther out when Cook beat his guy in that wheel route.

 

This game was on Josh.  He sucked.

Kyle Allen might have won this game 

[Fallser]

Is this thread where we ask the question why Elam (2022 First Rd pick) was a healthy scratch last night? 

 

If the answer is, "DUH, he's a cover corner, not a zone player" then perhaps we shouldn't have drafted him...

[buffblue]

6 hours ago, Mango said:

I’ve been pretty hard on Beane at times. But today just about every unit played somewhere between well and lights out except…..QB. 
 

I guess maybe there was some meh at RB up the middle. Also one play where Bernard got hilariously knocked on his ash. 

Agreed. On the whole the team played well enough to win, but not so great to where they could overcome the litany of errors committed by their franchise qb