SydneyBillsFan Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 To keep it short - I am very concerned about our starting RT and our OT depth. Heck, even Dion has me a little nervous, although I am hopeful he will be above average when it matters and when he gets familiar with his new guard. So.... am I being a worry wart or is this a genuine problem? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 You are right to worry because our GM wastes 3rd round picks on smurf linebackers while neglecting the OT spots. If Brown is a bust you really have to start questioning every move Beane makes on the OL. He said all offseason all Brown needed was a healthy offseason. Bills only hope is for Brown and Dawkins to be average. Torrence should start and Bates should be your utility OL at C and OT. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Quessenberry looks serviceable to me. And that’s not a knock on big Q. 1 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 42 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: To keep it short - I am very concerned about our starting RT and our OT depth. Heck, even Dion has me a little nervous, although I am hopeful he will be above average when it matters and when he gets familiar with his new guard. So.... am I being a worry wart or is this a genuine problem? first we’ll need to know your level of CONCERN on the TBD concern-o-meter. Are you at 6.5 or above? Better address that soon! Less than 6? Might get by this season… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Paying Dawkins franchise LT money with hopes of being “average” kinda says it all about Beane. 1 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, Governor said: Paying Dawkins franchise LT money with hopes of being “average” kinda says it all about Beane. Dawkins is a good LT. he’s proven that. What he was paid (and it wasn’t as “average”) is just market standard. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Dawkins is not that good either. Both him and Brown are inconsistent and do a lot of holding. They both get a lot of penalties. Dawkins seems to have weight issues. Brown has great length and athleticism yet he easily gets pushed off his center of gravity. It all looks identical to last year so when they play teams with good edge rushers it’s gonna be josh running around. They should work on quick passes IMO. Hopefully they don’t extend Dawkins. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 We all knew the OL would make or break our season just as it did last year. of course it’s a genuine problem. It’s looks to be a massive genuine problem. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Quessenberry looks serviceable to me. And that’s not a knock on big Q. He's terrible at pass blocking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 They seem to be sticking him at Guard, but I'm wondering if David Edwards might see some reps this week at tackle. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Just now, BuffaloBillyG said: They seem to be sticking him at Guard, but I'm wondering if David Edwards might see some reps this week at tackle. I was thinking the same thing. The bottom line is you have to get your best 5 linemen on the field. If that means Edwards or even Bates at tackle, then that's what you do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockinon Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I think they'll be picking up a tackle at cut down time. The issues were strikingly evident against the Steelers defense. Can't go into the season without a backup plan behind Brown. Maybe Brown finally proves himself, but up to now, he simply hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmel Corn Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 22 minutes ago, Rockinon said: I think they'll be picking up a tackle at cut down time. The issues were strikingly evident against the Steelers defense. Can't go into the season without a backup plan behind Brown. Maybe Brown finally proves himself, but up to now, he simply hasn't. Unfortunately, the cut down date seems like an eternity from now....Aug 29. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 The offensive play calling and what Josh Allen wants to do at QB needs to change from last season, teams have figured out that all you need to do with the current Allen led offense is to rush the passer and not worry about the run at all or even any sort of quick pass. Everything is long developing plays You start calling quick slants, actual screen plays, runs from under center the offensive line will start to look better since defensive ends and line backers can't just tee off on rushing the passer. It won't even matter if these plays are super successful the act of running these plays will keep the opposing defense honest in coverage 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahnyc Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 OT play across the league is not good, so I would not be confident that we can pick-up a quality swing tackle (at least one better than Q) before the season begins. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I’d much rather have a quality tackle than that big Ed Oliver contract 6 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 hours ago, NewEra said: We all knew the OL would make or break our season just as it did last year. of course it’s a genuine problem. It’s looks to be a massive genuine problem. Not sure how anyone can see it as anything other than this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Rockinon said: I think they'll be picking up a tackle at cut down time. The issues were strikingly evident against the Steelers defense. Can't go into the season without a backup plan behind Brown. Maybe Brown finally proves himself, but up to now, he simply hasn't. They are going to need to be aggressive and use a draft pick for a swing tackle. They will never get one on waivers after teams make their cuts this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 It was clear to me that these two teams approached the game much differently. Steelers were running d-line stunts, multiple blitzes, and combination pass coverages. Pretty much like you would game plan in the regular season. Bills ran vanilla offense and simple defense. The starters looked like they were just trying to avoid getting hurt (go back and watch Dane Jackson on the long touchdown run). The touchdown pass to Freiermuth was clearly a blown coverage. Dotson was lost in pass coverage on multiple occasions and generally looked bad. I thought Shakir played poorly also. On one of the interceptions, it appeared that Barkley was expecting an in cut and Shakir continued up the sideline into double coverage. Shorter and Isabella clearly outplayed him. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: They seem to be sticking him at Guard, but I'm wondering if David Edwards might see some reps this week at tackle. It's not time to "break glass in case of emergency," but it's fair to start thinking about what blunt object to use for such an activity. I'm fine with mixing in Edwards and/or Bates to see what it looks like. At this point, I don't see the harm. I also wonder if they'll explore the trade market for that position, not with the intent of making a move immediately, but to gauge the price in case there's some glass that has to be smashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Rockinon said: I think they'll be picking up a tackle at cut down time. The issues were strikingly evident against the Steelers defense. Can't go into the season without a backup plan behind Brown. Maybe Brown finally proves himself, but up to now, he simply hasn't. They need to address it sooner than cut down with the Doyle injury coupled with Shell's retirement. I expect either today or tomorrow we will be notified that they signed an OT (that we likely never heard of) and we get a mixture of "who is this guy" and "Wow, I liked him coming out of college" responses from the peanut gallery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said: It was clear to me that these two teams approached the game much differently. Steelers were running d-line stunts, multiple blitzes, and combination pass coverages. Pretty much like you would game plan in the regular season. Bills ran vanilla offense and simple defense. The starters looked like they were just trying to avoid getting hurt (go back and watch Dane Jackson on the long touchdown run). The touchdown pass to Freiermuth was clearly a blown coverage. Dotson was lost in pass coverage on multiple occasions and generally looked bad. I thought Shakir played poorly also. On one of the interceptions, it appeared that Barkley was expecting an in cut and Shakir continued up the sideline into double coverage. Shorter and Isabella clearly outplayed him. There is a lot of truth here. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 1 minute ago, SectionC3 said: It's not time to "break glass in case of emergency," but it's fair to start thinking about what blunt object to use for such an activity. I'm fine with mixing in Edwards and/or Bates to see what it looks like. At this point, I don't see the harm. I also wonder if they'll explore the trade market for that position, not with the intent of making a move immediately, but to gauge the price in case there's some glass that has to be smashed. GMs talk quite frequently. It's my best guess that Beane already knows what teams are good with moving an OT and a rough estimate on the price. When you look at the big picture it may be time to break the glass. Both OTs struggled yesterday. We are now down 2 OTs in Doyle and Shell. And anyone we may look to bring in either FA or trade has to 1. Be inexpensive 2. Be able to be brought up to speed pretty fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akcash Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) Jason Peter's can still play. Last year week (i want to say) 15 he came in 2nd half against the Texans at RT (which he hadn't played since '05 with us) and didn't miss a beat. He's got a freak knee bend still at 42. As long as he's in shape he would be an immediate swing/insurance on the line. Edited August 20, 2023 by akcash 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Should put 1 of those large refrigerator boxes in a BILLS uniform & make that our RT. At this point its scary to think how that actually could be an improvement. It'd still be a pushover but defenders would get tripped up in it & it'd slow em down. Make it happen Beane! GO BILLS! In all seriousness, Jason Peters should've been called before the game was over. And anyone else out there, Bueller? Bueller? Beane HAS to do SOMETHING. Give me Brady's offensive scheme with KC's oline & Josh Allen at QB. Run a balanced offense, taking what the defense gives you & just execute plays & 1st downs. Idk why that seems so foreign when we play? Get Josh in a rhythm, get everyone some confidence. With a struggling Oline perhaps running deeper routes that take more time to develop isn't the best strategy to run as often as we do? There's so many issues with this team right now (which is scary given where we are in our "window") & i suppose time will tell which ones are real or just perceived & anything can change if you get on a roll. But the issues seem more about us & less about the team we're playing. Which is good in that we can change things & control our destiny, but its bad in that its our own fault for being in this mess too. Can Beane look at some of these decisions & accurately evaluate himself to make corrective action? Not many can, but I hope he can because he needs to & fast. GO BILLS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) Not sure what options they have at RT or Swing Tackle with Doyle likely out for a while. 1. Call Shell and ask him to reconsider his retirement. 2. Will Kromer try David Edwards at RT as he played that position at Nebraska and a few games with the Rams. 3.Call Jason Peters to play RT which he did initially with BUF. Tell him he doesn’t have to play STs this time around. Edited August 20, 2023 by freddyjj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 Just finished watching Cover1 break down the film of O’Cyrus.. this kid is a monster and the chemistry he’s already building with Brown is awesome. They mention plenty of fans being upset about Spencer Brown but they said the film doesn’t match the outrage, he got beat a couple times but more often than not he and OCyrus were winning their reps against a very good D front. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 13 hours ago, Governor said: Paying Dawkins franchise LT money with hopes of being “average” kinda says it all about Beane. Dawkins is the 15th highest paid tackle. He performs well above average for the position. Seems like they are paying him appropriately… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 I keep posting this, but I watched every play with Brown in it last night, focusing on him, and he was OK. Did a good job overall against Watt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 (edited) Brown has been fine this summer, and his traits fit better at LT anyways. If Brown proves to be a solid OT, I can see a switch in his future. Dawkins had a rough game, but is fine otherwise. The TBD “group think” never ceases to amaze me. Edited August 20, 2023 by TheyCallMeAndy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
julian Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I keep posting this, but I watched every play with Brown in it last night, focusing on him, and he was OK. Did a good job overall against Watt. Yeah I thought the same thing when I seen the criticism of his play so I decided to wait for some Cover1 film and sure enough, it wasn’t perfect but definitely not panic worthy and actually hopeful when seeing him and O’Cyrus working together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 20, 2023 Share Posted August 20, 2023 14 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said: To keep it short - I am very concerned about our starting RT and our OT depth. Heck, even Dion has me a little nervous, although I am hopeful he will be above average when it matters and when he gets familiar with his new guard. So.... am I being a worry wart or is this a genuine problem? What’s your proposed solution? Given your level of CONCERN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted August 21, 2023 Author Share Posted August 21, 2023 3 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: What’s your proposed solution? Given your level of CONCERN I am not the GM or the head coach, hence it is not up to me to find a solution. All any Bills fan wants is a functional O-line to protect our biggest asset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 18 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Quessenberry looks serviceable to me. Quessenberry needs service. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 (edited) 39 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: I am not the GM or the head coach, hence it is not up to me to find a solution. All any Bills fan wants is a functional O-line to protect our biggest asset. So because you’re not the GM, you seem content to B word without offering any sort of solution? Edit: I’m asking because they can only do so much in the offseason. The O guard play last year was terrible too - they brought in McGovern and drafted Torrence. All you [censored] expect miracles from the front office every year. It doesn’t work like that. Edited August 21, 2023 by JoPoy88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 19 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said: To keep it short - I am very concerned about our starting RT and our OT depth. Heck, even Dion has me a little nervous, although I am hopeful he will be above average when it matters and when he gets familiar with his new guard. So.... am I being a worry wart or is this a genuine problem? I think there is good reason to be worried at this point. If Dawkins misses time, then we are screwed. Brown isn’t very good but he’s better than Quessenberry. I do not want to see him on the field. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 5 hours ago, julian said: Just finished watching Cover1 break down the film of O’Cyrus.. this kid is a monster and the chemistry he’s already building with Brown is awesome. They mention plenty of fans being upset about Spencer Brown but they said the film doesn’t match the outrage, he got beat a couple times but more often than not he and OCyrus were winning their reps against a very good D front. Confirmation bias. Even with some podcasters I like, you saw this come out before they watched any tape. One glaringly bad rep that was just awful. OT equivalent of being posterized and took away a huge play, thus drawing more attention to it. A play we should be applauding, got flagged (wrongly), which led to even more criticism as we couldn’t even run a play with flags raining down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 19 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Quessenberry looks serviceable to me. And that’s not a knock on big Q. Yeah he was very serviceable getting Josh's ulner nerve torn up last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 21, 2023 Share Posted August 21, 2023 Seems to be a common theme amongst those digging into the tape. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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