Jonny Manziel documentary on Netflix is great

[JerseyBills]

Highly recommend watching. Very entertaining.  Such a wild ride , deep insights.  After getting cut by Cle, he tried taking his life even. 

[Draconator]

5 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Highly recommend watching. Very entertaining.  Such a wild ride , deep insights.  After getting cut by Cle, he tried taking his life even. 

I didn't watch it, but read that when he was diagnosed with Bipolar, he didn't accept it and went into a spiral. As one who also has Bipolar, unless you find the right partner/therapy/medication, it is nothing to play around with. I was standing on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to jump. My therapist at the time played around with my medication. Thankfully I walked off and went to the Psych ER instead, got my meds straightened out, and reconnected with my now wife 4 months later. 

[JerseyBills]

2 minutes ago, Draconator said:

I didn't watch it, but read that when he was diagnosed with Bipolar, he didn't accept it and went into a spiral. As one who also has Bipolar, unless you find the right partner/therapy/medication, it is nothing to play around with. I was standing on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to jump. My therapist at the time played around with my medication. Thankfully I walked off and went to the Psych ER instead, got my meds straightened out, and reconnected with my now wife 4 months later. 

Thank God.!

Ya I've had some hard times where I thought about it, never attempted but i had the mentality that i was going to 1 day , mainly due to substance abuse and being young, thinking I ruined my life forever.  AA and NA meetings helped alot and made me realize I'm not alone or special and many ppl have a similar story and got me out of that thinking and on the right track

 

[Goin Breakdown]

You both are valuable and awesome people. Keep going!!  I'll have to watch this documentary since it's not about Mahomes or Brady. 

[Bill from NYC]

12 minutes ago, Draconator said:

I didn't watch it, but read that when he was diagnosed with Bipolar, he didn't accept it and went into a spiral. As one who also has Bipolar, unless you find the right partner/therapy/medication, it is nothing to play around with. I was standing on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to jump. My therapist at the time played around with my medication. Thankfully I walked off and went to the Psych ER instead, got my meds straightened out, and reconnected with my now wife 4 months later. 

Thank you for sharing this.

 

I pray that God continues to bless you and provide your doctors with the ability to treat you in the best way possible.

[zevo]

just wild how him and his agent duped the the NFL (browns) into selecting him into the first round. never knew that him coming from wealth was a lie. it was an interesting watch

Edited August 11, 2023 by zevo

[Bill from NYC]

3 minutes ago, zevo said:

just wild how him and his agent duped the the NFL (browns) into selecting him into the first round. never knew that him coming from wealth was a lie. it was an interesting watch

It was. He was a very sick individual and I'm surprised at what he was able to accomplish. 

 

I wish that the ending was a bit more descriptive of his current life but perhaps I'm a chronic malcontent lol.

[zevo]

1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said:

It was. He was a very sick individual and I'm surprised at what he was able to accomplish. 

 

I wish that the ending was a bit more descriptive of his current life but perhaps I'm a chronic malcontent lol.

I agree. based on the what they showed it still looks like he is living his life with his boys. 

[947]

This part just blows my mind:

 

During the early stages of his NFL career, Manziel would call his agent, Erik Burkhardt, and tell him football wasn't fun anymore. Losing the love for the game obviously affected his study habits, because Manziel wasn't watching any film. 

 

"Their GM's calling me going, 'He doesn't watch tape,'" Burkhardt said. "I'm like, 'Well he's gotta watch some tape.' He's like, 'EB, his iPad hours is 0.00.'"

 

Manziel confirmed he watched zero film: "Zero."

[stevewin]

19 minutes ago, zevo said:

I agree. based on the what they showed it still looks like he is living his life with his boys. 

Yeah was kind of a cautionary, open-ended ending - after all his substance issues to have the last shot of him sitting there with his boys drinking a beer.  I did think he came of really well in the interview portions

[Udubalum07]

He reminds me of a kid in my high school that just can pick up anything and was better than most anybody.  All state football, basketball, and baseball. 

 

Partied all the time. Ended up playing d1 baseball. Didn't hardly see him practice. 

 

Johnny football was just the best of the athletes like that so it took him to really high levels. 

[HansLanda]

47 minutes ago, zevo said:

just wild how him and his agent duped the the NFL (browns) into selecting him into the first round. never knew that him coming from wealth was a lie. it was an interesting watch

 

Seriously. His whole persona was basically a ruse. How the Browns didn't have all the diligence on him was shocking. 

[Captain Hindsight]

That could have been a 12 part series. They glossed over a lot of detail 

[Draconator]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Thank you for sharing this.

 

I pray that God continues to bless you and provide your doctors with the ability to treat you in the best way possible.

My wife helped to stabilize me, and my new therapist agreed to try a medication I wanted to take back in California. I've been on that medication for 8 years. That and my wife's help helped to stabilize me greatly. 

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Thank God.!

Ya I've had some hard times where I thought about it, never attempted but i had the mentality that i was going to 1 day , mainly due to substance abuse and being young, thinking I ruined my life forever.  AA and NA meetings helped alot and made me realize I'm not alone or special and many ppl have a similar story and got me out of that thinking and on the right track

 

 

You never know what is right around the corner. I'm grateful for your awareness. 

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, JerseyBills said:

Highly recommend watching. Very entertaining.  Such a wild ride , deep insights.  After getting cut by Cle, he tried taking his life even. 

Sounds interesting.  I love documentaries and hadn't seen this, so thanks for putting it on my radar.

Will watch soon.

 

👍

[JerseyBills]

39 minutes ago, Draconator said:

My wife helped to stabilize me, and my new therapist agreed to try a medication I wanted to take back in California. I've been on that medication for 8 years. That and my wife's help helped to stabilize me greatly. 

 

You never know what is right around the corner. I'm grateful for your awareness. 

Appreciate that!! Absolutely..

[KCNC]

1 hour ago, 947 said:

This part just blows my mind:

 

During the early stages of his NFL career, Manziel would call his agent, Erik Burkhardt, and tell him football wasn't fun anymore. Losing the love for the game obviously affected his study habits, because Manziel wasn't watching any film. 

 

"Their GM's calling me going, 'He doesn't watch tape,'" Burkhardt said. "I'm like, 'Well he's gotta watch some tape.' He's like, 'EB, his iPad hours is 0.00.'"

 

Manziel confirmed he watched zero film: "Zero."

Yeah it's hard to see how an NFL franchise cannot do at least a little homework on someone, but it is the Browns after all...

[Big Turk]

Manziel believed the hype about himself and thought everything would come easy like it had his whole life. Seems like he finally has realized his mistakes and if he uses them to grow as a person and as a man then I commend him for it.

[julian]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Manziel believed the hype about himself and thought everything would come easy like it had his whole life. Seems like he finally has realized his mistakes and if he uses them to grow as a person and as a man then I commend him for it.

He was the superior athlete on the field his entire life and was able to dominate the competition without any work or study habits.

 

 Once his rude awakening in the NFL had occurred and he realized he could never be successful without work and dedication he simply checked out.

 

 I won’t comment on his mental state for which I know nothing about, but it seems to me this dude was let down by those around him from a young age, he should have been taught the value of hard work, but instead it seems his upbringing consisted of coaches, agents, friends and family going along for the ride.

[CSBill]

2 hours ago, Draconator said:

I didn't watch it, but read that when he was diagnosed with Bipolar, he didn't accept it and went into a spiral. As one who also has Bipolar, unless you find the right partner/therapy/medication, it is nothing to play around with. I was standing on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to jump. My therapist at the time played around with my medication. Thankfully I walked off and went to the Psych ER instead, got my meds straightened out, and reconnected with my now wife 4 months later. 

Thank you for your transparency and courage Draconator. And great to hear how far you’ve come. Keep moving forward! 

2 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Thank God.!

Ya I've had some hard times where I thought about it, never attempted but i had the mentality that i was going to 1 day , mainly due to substance abuse and being young, thinking I ruined my life forever.  AA and NA meetings helped alot and made me realize I'm not alone or special and many ppl have a similar story and got me out of that thinking and on the right track

 

And to you as well JerseyBills. Your story and courage to fight give hope to others. Stay after it, friend. 

[Charles Romes]

I vaguely remember he quickly drove the Browns for a TD against the Bills the first time he ever saw NFL game action, but we beat him up after that. 

[hondo in seattle]

I very rarely wish ill on people, but I confess that I rooted for Manziel to fail in the NFL.  The stories of Johnny's partying, laziness, greed, and so forth made me dislike the guy.  There are so many good kids doing things right who deserve success.  I wanted them to succeed instead of him.

 

Now I only wish him well.  I hope he gets the help he needs and has the strength to follow a healthier, happier path.    

[AlfaBill]

2 hours ago, Draconator said:

I didn't watch it, but read that when he was diagnosed with Bipolar, he didn't accept it and went into a spiral. As one who also has Bipolar, unless you find the right partner/therapy/medication, it is nothing to play around with. I was standing on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to jump. My therapist at the time played around with my medication. Thankfully I walked off and went to the Psych ER instead, got my meds straightened out, and reconnected with my now wife 4 months later. 

Great to hear you’re still with us!

[Jerome007]

39 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

I very rarely wish ill on people, but I confess that I rooted for Manziel to fail in the NFL.  The stories of Johnny's partying, laziness, greed, and so forth made me dislike the guy.  There are so many good kids doing things right who deserve success.  I wanted them to succeed instead of him.

 

Now I only wish him well.  I hope he gets the help he needs and has the strength to follow a healthier, happier path.    

Same here. Though I liked his bravado, and him doing the money sign when drafted ha ha. But, when you do all that, you've got to deliver - and that includes preparation. Crazy that a NFL QB can watch zero film! I mean, I understand doing it half-ass or not putting your all into it, but not doing it at all?? How can that even be possible?

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, CSBill said:

Thank you for your transparency and courage Draconator. And great to hear how far you’ve come. Keep moving forward! 

And to you as well JerseyBills. Your story and courage to fight give hope to others. Stay after it, friend. 

Same to you. Been my dream for cpl years now too open up halfway houses in South Florida. I been there, have an extensive business plan, just had some bad luck financially but I'm close, hopefully 6 -9 months . Would be amazing to make a living helping others going through that

[Drew21PA]

“This is completely out of Johnny’s character”

 

johnny manziel “well maybe it actually was my character *laughs*
 

love the kid - anywhere but Cleveland I think he would have been alright 

 

probably would have done more stupid stuff but dang he’s like a rockstar - Motley Crue of football 

[Alphadawg7]

10 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Highly recommend watching. Very entertaining.  Such a wild ride , deep insights.  After getting cut by Cle, he tried taking his life even. 

 

Yeah really enjoyed it.  I love the "UNTOLD" series in general.  For those who don't know, its an excellent series are based on sports similar to like the 30for30 series by ESPN.  Each one though is a individual mini-doc, so when you click on one it doesn't show it as in there are other episodes.  So just search for UNTOLD on netflix to try and find the others.

 

Jake Paul one came out just before Manziels did too and that was interesting watch.  My favorites were the two part one on Manti Teo and then the one on the minor league hockey team owned by the mafia (which is probably my favorite).  But its a fantastic series and I think there are probably at least 10 now

 

10 hours ago, Draconator said:

I didn't watch it, but read that when he was diagnosed with Bipolar, he didn't accept it and went into a spiral. As one who also has Bipolar, unless you find the right partner/therapy/medication, it is nothing to play around with. I was standing on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to jump. My therapist at the time played around with my medication. Thankfully I walked off and went to the Psych ER instead, got my meds straightened out, and reconnected with my now wife 4 months later. 

 

Yeah I think a lot of people are not understanding to just how serious it can be.  Just a few days before the Manziel doc came out, a young neighbor of mine committed suicide who was in his early 20's.  He had just been diagnosed in the previous weeks as bi-polar and the week leading up to it his roommates said he was acting really unusual and referenced hearing voices a lot.  Poor kid used zip ties to suffocate himself.  

 

Im happy to hear that you have found effective ways now to manage it and congrats on finding your wife after coming out of a dark place, that sounds like divine intervention.  My wifes Aunt battles it herself, but I have never seen an episode because she has not had any episodes in the time I have known my wife thanks to a good medication regimen.  But she told me there were episodes where she was high up somewhere convinced she could fly and had to be carefully talked down in those moments, but those were also moments where she wasn't taking medication and a long time ago.  

Edited August 12, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[Draconator]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Yeah I think a lot of people are not understanding to just how serious it can be.  Just a few days before the Manziel doc came out, a young neighbor of mine committed suicide who was in his early 20's.  He had just been diagnosed in the previous weeks as bi-polar and the week leading up to it his roommates said he was acting really unusual and referenced hearing voices a lot.  Poor kid used zip ties to suffocate himself.  

 

Im happy to hear that you have found effective ways now to manage it and congrats on finding your wife after coming out of a dark place, that sounds like divine intervention.  My wifes Aunt battles it herself, but I have never seen an episode because she has not had any episodes in the time I have known my wife thanks to a good medication regimen.  But she told me there were episodes where she was high up somewhere convinced she could fly and had to be carefully talked down in those moments, but those were also moments where she wasn't taking medication and a long time ago.  

When I was standing on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, I had been talking to a close friend. I decided after going to work that morning I was going to end my life and messaged her to tell her, so she could watch after my daughter. We were in constant contact all day. When she didn't hear from me after a while, she called me. I just so happened to be standing on the bridge. She simply said, "Just go to the psych ER one more time. If it doesn't work, you have my permission to kill yourself". That sounded reasonable to me, and that's what got me into the ER. So yes. It was divine intervention. 

[Royale with Cheese]

It was great.

 

It should let people know you can’t exclusively Youtube scout and complain if we don’t draft the player you wanted.

[ddaryl]

6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It was great.

 

It should let people know you can’t exclusively Youtube scout and complain if we don’t draft the player you wanted.

 or complain they do draft that player ( see Josh Allen )

[Marv Levy]

As soon as I saw him walk on the draft stage doing the "money, money" thing with his hands, I knew he was a jerkoff. Like other posters on here said, he seemed to think it was all gonna come easy for him with no work. Whoops!

[Royale with Cheese]

77 TD’s in HS…I mean wow.

 

 

[TheDuke55]

I thought the documentary was good. Definitely changed my initial impression of him a bit. Unfortunately, this will forever be the image in my head when I hear his name. 

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Draconator said:

When I was standing on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, I had been talking to a close friend. I decided after going to work that morning I was going to end my life and messaged her to tell her, so she could watch after my daughter. We were in constant contact all day. When she didn't hear from me after a while, she called me. I just so happened to be standing on the bridge. She simply said, "Just go to the psych ER one more time. If it doesn't work, you have my permission to kill yourself". That sounded reasonable to me, and that's what got me into the ER. So yes. It was divine intervention. 

 

Well everyone in your life will be eternally grateful for that friend being there at the time you needed it the most.  Congrats on coming through that and building a wonderful life.  

[Haslett_Stomp]

6 hours ago, Draconator said:

I didn't watch it, but read that when he was diagnosed with Bipolar, he didn't accept it and went into a spiral. As one who also has Bipolar, unless you find the right partner/therapy/medication, it is nothing to play around with. I was standing on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, ready to jump. My therapist at the time played around with my medication. Thankfully I walked off and went to the Psych ER instead, got my meds straightened out, and reconnected with my now wife 4 months later. 

 

My wife and kids all suffer from some form of mental illness.  Keep up the good fight Draconator and JerseyBills.

[White Linen]

I thought it was an excellent documentary.  Maybe nothing said you didn't already know but I thought it was nicely put together.  

[CSBill]

5 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Same to you. Been my dream for cpl years now too open up halfway houses in South Florida. I been there, have an extensive business plan, just had some bad luck financially but I'm close, hopefully 6 -9 months . Would be amazing to make a living helping others going through that

Awesome!!!! 

[Bill from NYC]

9 hours ago, zevo said:

I agree. based on the what they showed it still looks like he is living his life with his boys. 

Yeah, I was waiting for some sort of closure or at least some feeling as to what he is doing but it ended abruptly.

[BillsShredder83]

Dudes still drinking? That's insane. Won't end well unless he completely gives up the booze. Booze is rough enough as is, but eventually it will send him back to his DOC

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

5 hours ago, Marv Levy said:

As soon as I saw him walk on the draft stage doing the "money, money" thing with his hands, I knew he was a jerkoff. Like other posters on here said, he seemed to think it was all gonna come easy for him with no work. Whoops!

Man you are one deep dude!