Josh Allen goes #1 overall to the Browns in a 2018 Redraft

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, peterpan said:

Do we even know if the bills had Josh as their #1 qb?  I often wonder if they like mayfield or darnold better (or maybe even both)

Apparently their QB board 

[Augie]

If I could go back and do things over, I’d wait until the MegaMillions numbers come out, then go back and get myself a new ticket. 😋

 

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Apparently their QB board 

 

Did BigFoot write that?     😋

[PatsFanNH]

10 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

As long as the Bills didn't draft Baker Mayfield... did they? 

Hmmm I bet Mayfield excels in Buffalo and Allen would be the footnote..  Think about how good Mayfield looked his rookie year with a terrible team around him. 
 

mind you I think Allen Benifited from a better run organization than Mayfield at the time he was chosen. 

Edited August 4, 2023 by PatsFanNH

[HansLanda]

For as much flack as he gets, a lot of it deserved but it's the nature of his gig, Kiper did have JA in the conversation at #1 and other pundits thought he was nuts. 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Hmmm I bet Mayfield excels in Buffalo and Allen would be the footnote..  Think about how good Mayfield looked his rookie year with a terrible team around him. 
 

mind you I think Allen Beni fired from a better run organization than Mayfield at the time he was chosen. 

That's just a case of Baker Mayfield coming into the league fully developed

 

I said it his rookie year... He had so much experience... And physically little room left to grow

 

He was a polished piece coming out.. and when teams found flaws and chinks in his armor he couldn't adjust ... 

 

Baker Mayfield would absolutely not be Josh Allen here... There's only one Josh Allen in the world

 

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Nihilarian]

Dunno if anyone else recalls but there was talk of the Browns drafting Allen with that #1 just before the draft. 

 

At some point, someone *cough-cough* released some offensive tweets by Josh Allen hours before the draft..and he fell to the #7 spot!

 

Those tweets were before he enrolled at Wyoming, so he was very young. 

 

Thank the good lord that the Browns are the Browns and the Jets are the Jets...Mayfield, Darnold. Where are they now?

 

BTW, good thing Beane traded up to #7 because Arizona was working to draft Allen too.

[Desert Bills Fan]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Apparently their QB board 

 

[Nihilarian]

I also think that Allen would have made any team competitive as the kid has a work ethic like no other. 

 

I would have cried hard had the Browns drafted him... and someone would have had to coax me off the ledge had the stinky Jets grabbed him.

[Desert Bills Fan]

Bills QB board Decoded

1. WYO = Allen

2. USC = Darnold

3. OKCU = Mayfield

4. UCLA = Rosen

5. OKC St = Rudolph

6. Richmond = Lauretta

 

note: Jackson not in their top 6 !

 

 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Desert Bills Fan
Clarification

[Aussie Joe]

40 minutes ago, HansLanda said:

For as much flack as he gets, a lot of it deserved but it's the nature of his gig, Kiper did have JA in the conversation at #1 and other pundits thought he was nuts. 

Well… even a broken clock is right twice a day

17 minutes ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

Bills QB board Decoded

1. WYO = Allen

2. USC = Darnold

3. OKCU = Mayfield

4. UCLA = Rosen

5. OKC St = Rudolph

6. Richmond = Lauretta

 

note: Jackson not in their top 6 !

 

 

Mason Rudolph… yuck…

 

 

[Logic]

1 hour ago, peterpan said:

Allen is very lucky he landed under Daboll imo 

I will say that he's lucky he landed under Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott, too. 

Everything about the Bills' situation and they way they nurtured Allen, supported him, and gave him time and trust, was perfect.

From Beane building a decent (not great, but decent -- good enough to allow him to improve and to function) offensive line, to bringing in improvements at WR (Beasley was huge in his development, Diggs obviously was too), to McDermott giving him time on the job and sticking with him and not pulling him in and out of the lineup, to Daboll building the offense around him, to there being stability at GM, HC, and OC throughout his first few years on the job.

In terms of doing just about everything that could be done to help him "become the best version of himself", you couldn't do much better than this Bills organization did. They really ran a master class on how to bring along a young quarterback. One need only look at how badly and how frequently so many of the other teams around the league fail at this to see how well the Bills did, and how uncommon this organizational stability and support is for a young QB.

[Mr. WEO]

8 hours ago, StHustle said:

 

 

I do wonder where Tremaine Edmunds was pegged

 

Beane's office...

[peterpan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

Apparently their QB board 

Where is this from?? 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Where is this from?? 

It leaked around the draft time as the bills QB board that an employee in the building took a pic of 

Edited August 3, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Artful Dodger]

If Allen had been drafted by Cleveland, he would not have developed as he has.  On the other hand, if Mayfield had been drafted by Buffalo with its coaching staff, he would be much better.  However, under almost any scenario you can think of, Allen > Mayfield. 

[Albany,n.y.]

7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Jerry Rice may be a GOAT, but our Bills had pretty good WRs through that time.

 

 

The fact that the Bills took 2 WRs in the 1st 4 rounds (Burkett & Reed) says that's not true.  Outside of Jerry Butler they didn't have much, and Butler hadn't played a regular season game since October 1983 on the day of the 1985 draft.  The veteran WRs going into camp in the 1985 season were Butler, Mitchell Brookins, Julius Dawkins, Preston Dennard, Byron Franklin, Bobby Jones, Mike Mosley, Eric Richardson and Craig White.  As a rookie, Reed moved right into the starting lineup with Butler. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

9 hours ago, mrags said:

I was gonna say 1985 with Bruce but Rice was also drafted there. I guess it’s debatable. Many people will say Rice may be the best football player ever regardless of position. Bruce was arguably the best defender ever. 

Rice is the best ever.

Lawrence Taylor is the best defender of all time

Bruce is in my top 5 defenders of all time ... Taylor, White, Sanders, Bruce, and Lott. 

45 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The fact that the Bills took 2 WRs in the 1st 4 rounds (Burkett & Reed) says that's not true.  Outside of Jerry Butler they didn't have much, and Butler hadn't played a regular season game since October 1983 on the day of the 1985 draft.  The veteran WRs going into camp in the 1985 season were Butler, Mitchell Brookins, Julius Dawkins, Preston Dennard, Byron Franklin, Bobby Jones, Mike Mosley, Eric Richardson and Craig White.  As a rookie, Reed moved right into the starting lineup with Butler. 

That's becuase they drafted Perry Tuttle in first round of 1982. One of the biggest Bills draft busts of all time. He lasted only two seasons. He makes Gabe Davis look like Steve Largent when it comes to catching the ball. Tuttle was the absolute worst.

[Yobogoya!]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

Everything about the Bills' situation and they way they nurtured Allen, supported him, and gave him time and trust, was perfect.

I mean I don’t know that I’d call the roughly two quarters of tutelage under savvy veteran Nathan Peterman or the desperation move of having to pull a beat up Derek Anderson out of retirement “perfect” necessarily…

 

But it definitely still beats being drafted by the Browns. 😏

[StHustle]

7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Bruce Smith was a consensus #1 overall pick.

Exactly and that’s why the Bills deserve no Kudos for Bruce being #1 in a redraft where we picked him #1 as the consensus pick. Picking the #1 guy at #7 and having the wisdom to trade up to make it happen makes this one special and first of its kind for our franchise.

[Billznut]

5 hours ago, Desert Bills Fan said:

Bills QB board Decoded

1. WYO = Allen

2. USC = Darnold

3. OKCU = Mayfield

4. UCLA = Rosen

5. OKC St = Rudolph

6. Richmond = Lauretta

 

note: Jackson not in their top 6 !

 

 

Also remember they had just jettisoned Tyrod Taylor for a reason.  They didn’t want another run first QB like Lamar Jackson. Which would explain why he wasn’t even in their top 6, despite his talent. They were clearly looking for the prototypical pocket qb. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Good luck to him and that dysfunctional organization

[Billl]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Apparently their QB board 

I failed calculus, but the chances of that being their actual board are negative infinity.

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Billl said:

I failed calculus, but the chances of that being their actual board are negative infinity.

I definitely wouldn't say that ... All of this was leaked before the draft and we did try to trade for Denver spot there

 

We visited Mayfield on the day the red arrow points to Oklahoma

 

And Josh might have always been our guy

 

I would not say there's a 0% chance... A janitor could have walked by the room and taken a picture.. there's definitely a possibility 

 

It's clearly in a room setting not someone's basement 

Edited August 4, 2023 by Buffalo716

[Billl]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I definitely wouldn't say that ... All of this was leaked before the draft and we did try to trade for Denver spot there

 

We visited Mayfield on the day the red arrow points to Oklahoma

 

And Josh might have always been our guy

 

I would not say there's a 0% chance... A janitor could have walked by the room and taken a picture.. there's definitely a possibility 

 

It's clearly in a room setting not someone's basement 

C’mon man. You think they make cryptic yet oddly specific crib sheets?  

[Buffalo716]

Just now, Billl said:

C’mon man. You think they make cryptic yet oddly specific crib sheets?  

No but it's fun to have conspiracies

 

There's a 1% chance because crazier things have happened 

 

Especially at one bills drive 

[Doc Brown]

9 hours ago, Logic said:

I vividly remember that the rumor leading into draft day was that the Browns DID plan to take Josh Allen at 1st overall.

Everyone made fun of it and said "Browns are gonna Browns", and their fans were apoplectic. 

The rumor is that the personnel department all liked Allen best, but John Dorsey, the GM at the time, preferred Mayfield, and picked him instead.

Crazy what a crossroads moment drafts can turn out to be for NFL franchises.

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

Josh would’ve landed on his feet anywhere…couldn’t have put him in much worse of a situation than we put him in lol. That 2018 bills roster was pretty terrible 

[Aussie Joe]

3 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

No but it's fun to have conspiracies

 

There's a 1% chance because crazier things have happened 

 

Especially at one bills drive 

I love it how they didn’t want to make it obvious by using the guys college instead of his name..

 

 

 

 

Edited August 4, 2023 by Aussie Joe

[DrDawkinstein]

13 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The fact that the Bills took 2 WRs in the 1st 4 rounds (Burkett & Reed) says that's not true.  Outside of Jerry Butler they didn't have much, and Butler hadn't played a regular season game since October 1983 on the day of the 1985 draft.  The veteran WRs going into camp in the 1985 season were Butler, Mitchell Brookins, Julius Dawkins, Preston Dennard, Byron Franklin, Bobby Jones, Mike Mosley, Eric Richardson and Craig White.  As a rookie, Reed moved right into the starting lineup with Butler. 

 

By "through that time" I meant the time when Bruce/Reed/Rice were playing and we were going to Super Bowls. Not 1980-1985.

 

Your point that we found a HoFer in Reed a few rounds after drafting Smith #1 just furthers my point.

[BananaB]

Geez would have been nice to still have that Wyatt Teller fella. I remember Beane being labeled a genius for trading a guy he was gonna cut. 😂 

[CincyBillsFan]

8 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

 

I love Cowherd and listen to him a lot - he's entertaining.  But damn, he got EVERYTHING wrong in this take.  Good thing the guy has the memory of a CB with the nickname of TOAST!

[CincyBillsFan]

7 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Josh would’ve landed on his feet anywhere…couldn’t have put him in much worse of a situation than we put him in lol. That 2018 bills roster was pretty terrible 

AMEN!  The situation the Bills put Allen in his first season was as bad as any rookie QB has faced in the last decade or more.  The Bills tore down their offense that season in the expectation that first McCarron and then Peterman would take the lumps while Allen sat on the bench channeling Mahomes and soaking it all up.

 

Instead, Allen was inserted into the starting lineup in week 2 surrounded by as weak a collection of offensive players in the NFL that season.  He even suffers an injury and mises 4 games.  Yet he plays very well under the circumstances and leads the Bills to a 5 - 6 record that should have been 6 - 5 if a wide open TE had made a catch in the Dolphins end zone at the end of that game.

 

From 2019 on the Bills organization deserves kudos for how they developed Allen.  But in 2018 they did everything in their power to screw it up:  he wasn't declared the starter and missed out on most of the 1st team reps throughout training camp and the preseason games and then was inserted as the starter in week 2.

 

So yea the evidence is clear, Allen would have worked out no matter who drafted him in 2018.

 

 

[Kaenon]

I remember an article that came out draft morning 2018 that the Browns WERE going to take Allen at #1 overall.

 

I was so bummed.

 

Then it didn't happen - and the rest, is history.

[Beck Water]

On 8/3/2023 at 9:15 AM, StHustle said:

Josh being redrafted at #1 surprises nobody, but after seeing the visual below let me just say 🤮

 

 

Josh in a Browns jersey looks disturbing. Who knows where his career would be now if that unfortunate hypothetical event was an actual reality.

 

Anyhow, this is the first time in redraft history that the Bills pick would have been a consensus #1 overall. 

 

I do wonder where Tremaine Edmunds was pegged but my ESPN+ subscription was canceled earlier this year after the football season (still debating on renewing for this season). If anyone still has ESPN+, please share where they redrafted Edmunds. Im pretty sure none of our other picks fell in the first 2 rounds.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/38074494/re-drafting-2018-nfl-draft-josh-allen-lamar-jackson-fred-warner-new-teams

 

F the Brownie Browning Browns.  I used to feel empathy towards their fans, No More.

 

But I mean - you redraft and overall, the #1 drafting team and the #2 drafting team pick the best two QB from that draft?

 

What A Surprise.

[ExWNYer]

22 hours ago, muppy said:

 my visceral reaction to seeing #17 in a cleveland browns uniform.

 

blechhhhh

 

aww hell naw that is just wrong just sayin'.  makes me wanna hurl

 

😇

 

 

[muppy]

7 minutes ago, ExWNYer said:

 

😇

 

 

lol 🤮🤮🤮. Hold my hair.

 

🙃

[muppy]

13 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

F the Brownie Browning Browns.  I used to feel empathy towards their fans, No More.

 

But I mean - you redraft and overall, the #1 drafting team and the #2 drafting team pick the best two QB from that draft?

 

What A Surprise.

DITTO: . Even though they are just across the lake from Buffalo I agree.  The team and city are tainted by Watson at this point beyond repair.

[BigDingus]

If we're gonna play that game, the Bills don't trade away the #10 overall pick in 2017 and take Mahomes or Watson (ew). 

 

Then again, I'm sure the Bears wouldn't have taken Mitch Trubisky at #2 either, so I guess we'd take whoever is left from those 2 😅

[Logic]

13 hours ago, Yobogoya! said:

I mean I don’t know that I’d call the roughly two quarters of tutelage under savvy veteran Nathan Peterman or the desperation move of having to pull a beat up Derek Anderson out of retirement “perfect” necessarily…

 

But it definitely still beats being drafted by the Browns. 😏

You're right.

You accurately listed the two primary pockmarks on an otherwise mostly sterling upbringing of Josh Allen. You're not wrong. I'd say those missteps represented the exceptions rather than the rule.

[Whites Bay]

On 8/3/2023 at 11:42 AM, mushypeaches said:

It's still amazing (and humorous) that we were able to get the Browns to pony up a 3rd round pick for Tyrod Taylor

It's thoughts like those that bring a ray of sunshine into one's life every single time one thinks them.  It's actually marginally funnier than the Peerless Price trade.  Because we're talking about Tyrod Taylor...going to the Browns...for the first pick of the 3rd round...

 

There's that ray of sunshine again!