Chaos Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 11 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: A situation bad enough that he’d lose the locker room. I think if the Bills don't win the division, and the division winner goes further in the playoffs than the Bills, that nearly catostrophic. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 minutes ago, Chaos said: I think if the Bills don't win the division, and the division winner goes further in the playoffs than the Bills, that nearly catostrophic. I’m not sure that gets the plug pulled on them, but it might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 5 hours ago, CountDorkula said: Based on today’s super normal non-newsworthy bills day in June. The feeling is starting to be make or break this year for this team. The real question is topic worth a LAMP since it has been brought up repeatedly ad nausea. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thandGoal Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 No-- not even close--- the record we have had over his tenute here compared to the previous 10-13 years speaks for itself. he is is safe till they have a few years of losing records. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 36 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I’m not sure that gets the plug pulled on them, but it might. The plug should've been pulled after :13. Daboll should've been immediately promoted. Farwell was his scapegoat in 21. Frazier in 22. And Dorsey will probably be the sacrificial lamb after this season. Sean's the Teflon man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: The plug should've been pulled after :13. Daboll should've been immediately promoted. Farwell was his scapegoat in 21. Frazier in 22. And Dorsey will probably be the sacrificial lamb after this season. Sean's the Teflon man. You’re not wrong. That was inexcusable. Certainly a fireable offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillMafia716ix Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said: No-- not even close--- the record we have had over his tenute here compared to the previous 10-13 years speaks for itself. he is is safe till they have a few years of losing records. How soon people forget. No franchise QB in sight and still made the playoffs in his first year after damn near 20 years of mediocrity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 5 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I think the evidence is in him having to take over the Defense. Yes his seat is warm. Yes this is make or break for McD. 13 seconds is COMPLETELY on him. I dont care about what Levi Wallace said or anything else. The Head Coach failed to bring the team together during the MULTIPLE time outs and get the football 101 gameplan together. Last year, we were on a down slide from the Bye week, and McD never got a fire lit under the team. I'm not sure he is even CAPABLE of lighting fires under guys. Have we ever disagree? Maybe Geno. That's it, but I never had strong feelings on him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 21 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said: No-- not even close--- the record we have had over his tenute here compared to the previous 10-13 years speaks for itself. he is is safe till they have a few years of losing records. A few years of losing records? Seems unfathomable with Allen at QB. He would surely be fired after the second if not the first. He's already got the team in a downward postseason trajectory. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Unfortunately, no, but it should be. McD will not lead us to the promised land. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 28 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said: How soon people forget. No franchise QB in sight and still made the playoffs in his first year after damn near 20 years of mediocrity Mediocrity in intelligence for some people. Same problem with the current situation in the country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Somewhere in between. I think if we don't win at least a couple playoff games the seat is very hot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 8 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said: Somewhere in between. I think if we don't win at least a couple playoff games the seat is very hot... That's a pretty high bar tbh they've only won a couple playoff games once Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 The 17 year playoff drought was way too painful to make it Super Bowl or bust at this point. The coaching carousel is way to risky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Einstein said: Not exactly. Many people misunderstood what Wallace was saying. Wallace said it was in the gameplay to play it the way he did, but he wishes he overrode the game plan, given the situation. He was basically saying that he blame himself for not changing the way the coaches told him to play it. That is not the same as saying he blew the coverage I listened to the interview. He lined up as he should then didn't make the adjustment that he should when the KC formation shifted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyCat Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 10 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The fact that he took over the defense indicates to me that at least McDermott feels that way I agree with your assessment regarding taking over the defensive coaching. He must feel he needs to coach what he knows best - - defense. If this doesn't get the Bills to a SB then he's toast within 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I think it should be. The Bills have lots of A players and the coaching in big games never rises to that level. I won't dismiss him out of hand, he's done a lot of good building up the team, but is consistently outcoached in big situations. I think of him similar to the complaints that swirled around Tremaine Edmunds... good player, but no splash plays... nothing that puts us over the top. To win a Super Bowl the coach has to be a differentiator in big situations and I can't think of when he's done that. I don't know whether that's fair or not, but it's how I see him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 It should be. I’m glad Leslie is gone because now there really isn’t any excuses for ***** D game plans in our biggest games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 12 hours ago, John from Riverside said: The fact that he took over the defense indicates to me that at least McDermott feels that way Every post season failure sticks in Sean’s craw as it were, imo it pisses him off that he/his team failed, his taking over as DC is him saying, I’ll be damned if this is gonna happen again. The question is will it succeed, and can KD scheme up a winner on offense, We shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I wish. He’s proven to choke when games are on the line. NFL history has a. Plethora of coaches who were good enough to contend but nowhere near good enough to complete the task. There’s a noose around Sean’s neck, imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I listened to the interview. He lined up as he should then didn't make the adjustment that he should when the KC formation shifted. To date, Levi Wallace is still the only Buffalo Bill that stood up and took any accountability for 13 seconds. He can play on my team anytime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Nextmanup said: My GOD I HOPE SO We are the Marvin Lewis Bengals. How long do you want to continue the experiment? Dude come on. Marvin Lewis was 0-7 in the playoffs. Sean McDermott isn’t winless like Lewis was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I think McDermott is safe. The Bills have been a winning team for a while now. Yes, the playoff losses suck but overall McDermott has been successful for the most part. The Bills would have to become a ****show and I doubt this happens with this roster. But as we have seen with the Sabres this past decade Terry will fire the HC and GM if he feels a change is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 No. They'll keep getting back in the hunt and one of these years the playoff breaks will go their way and the trophy will be theirs. That's pretty much the formula in the NFL now. Get a high playoff seed and be your best and get some breaks in each playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBilliams Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Bills fans will say no, because they want continuity after 2 decades of failure. I’m going to say yes. If the team fails, especially if it’s the defense failing again, McDermott won’t have an excuse. Frazier was the fall guy in McD’s system. Now he’s running the D. If they ***** the bed under his watch again, I’d think he’s a good, but not great coach. He can change culture and make teams competitive, but can’t get teams to win rings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Every year is a make-or-break year for an NFL Head Coach. If your team implodes & goes something like 3-14 anyone would be likely to get fired or "forced" to retire. if you have enough stature & reputation in the league the quiet part would never be said out loud ... but you would be removed from your job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 In short….no. McD is here to stay until and unless he does something off the field that forces ownership to remove him. Which I highly doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 19 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yea. As has been said before, Marty Schottenheimer is a better comparison. I'm not sure if that's a better comparison. McDermott would need to lose his next 8 playoff games in a row to match Marty's playoff winning percentage. Marty went to the playoffs 18 times and only won 5 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I'm not big on McDermott, but SB or bust is too high of a bar. I'd be bitterly disappointed with another early playoff exit, but there's multiple elite teams every year that don't win the SB. What I think should put him on the hot seat / get him fired: 1) End the regular season with a losing record and miss the playoffs entirely 2) Another terrible defensive performance in the playoffs (4th year in a row and can't blame it on Frazier this time) 3) Another coaching blunder in the playoffs ala 13 seconds 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Unless this team completely falls apart I don't see Pegula firing the GM or HC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 It will take more the one non playoff year for McD to be canned. Pegula has seen under McD the team go from nothing to yearly contender that wins a lot and is a major national brand right now. No way he is touching that unless there is years worth of regression. Now for me I would not say this is a make it or break it year, but if he fails to breakthrough again or worse does miss the playoffs I think 25' for me would be make it or break it at that point. Josh still has a lot of prime years left and if after 25 the result is the same you make the move finally so you can get a different voice and leader while you still have Josh at some good years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 38 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: More so in the vein of being a really good regular season coach and then getting outclassed come playoff time…. Dungy is also an apt comparison. I think Dungy and Sean Payton would be a good comparison...minus the Super Bowl of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 Why is this fanbase so into firing people? Playoffs, no playoffs, let's fire someone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I think if a star player didn't show up for a mandatory camp, that would show that something is amiss. Then he'd be on the hot seat. Wait, what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 19 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: Why is this fanbase so into firing people? Playoffs, no playoffs, let's fire someone! In the Bills case the expectations have been sky high these past few seasons. The playoff losses have not only been frustrating but it's the way they lost. 13 seconds is still unbelievable and the no-show vs the Bengals last year are the two games that tops the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 I don't think he will be fired due to any of the scenarios. Terry Pegula doesn't seem like a hard nosed owner to fire McDermott. The guy ends up crying at most of his press conferences! If it was Jerry Jones, that would be another story. Pegula won't rock the boat any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gregg said: In the Bills case the expectations have been sky high these past few seasons. The playoff losses have not only been frustrating but it's the way they lost. 13 seconds is still unbelievable and the no-show vs the Bengals last year are the two games that tops the list. You don't give up. You go back and try again. I'm not rebuilding this team. Edited June 14, 2023 by PromoTheRobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 19 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said: I don't think he will be fired due to any of the scenarios. Terry Pegula doesn't seem like a hard nosed owner to fire McDermott. The guy ends up crying at most of his press conferences! If it was Jerry Jones, that would be another story. Pegula won't rock the boat any time soon. He had no problem firing GM's/HC's of the Sabres when they were a ****show. Thankfully things are looking up for them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: You don't give up. You go back and try again. I'm not rebuilding this team. Getting rid of McDermott doesn't mean we're rebuilding. There are so many examples of teams that fired a coach that couldn't get them over the top and hired someone new that got them there. Some coaches just don't have it in them to go all the way. McDermott is one of them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted June 14, 2023 Share Posted June 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gregg said: He had no problem firing GM's/HC's of the Sabres when they were a ****show. Thankfully things are looking up for them now. That was a little different though. The Sabres were the worst team in the NHL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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