JackKemp Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 According to the linked article salary current cap numbers have been released. The Bills are only $1.4M under the cap. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/a-look-at-every-nfl-teams-current-salary-cap-situation-biggest-spenders-in-2023-offseason/?fbclid=IwAR08HoAPmqW9cJlOmOyk1yASe_yfckC2nP3MHgUnHql6xJNg2k2gppiFrgU#lifeg2yeo8s2tkinivc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 Until they restructure someone right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 I'm completely fine staying there as our roster is good enough right now to win a Super Bowl. I don't want to kick the can down the road any more unless a premier RT becomes unexpectedly available. 3 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 How in the world can the Jets have 24m of cap space after adding Rodgers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) Considering we started at -18.5 over the cap and had 24 Free Agents, to be 1.4 under after signing our draft picks as well as: FS Jordan Poyer (Re-Signed) RB Damien Harris OG Connor McGovern SS Taylor Rapp DT Poona Ford WR Deonte Harty OT Brandon Shell DE Shaq Lawson (Re-Signed) DT Jordan Phillips (Re-Signed) WR Trent Sherfield OG David Edwards RB Latavius Murray P Sam Martin (Re-Signed) QB Kyle Allen OT David Quessenberry (Re-Signed) LB Tyrel Dodson (Re-Signed) LB Tyler Matakevitch (Re-Signed) DE Shane Ray SS Dean Marlowe (Re-Signed) OG Ike Boettger (Re-Signed) LB Travin Howard CB Cam Lewis (Re-Signed) WR Marcell Ateman .... is pretty gosh darn impressive. Edited June 3, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 41 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: How in the world can the Jets have 24m of cap space after adding Rodgers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Thanks Doc. The games people play 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 There is a possibility that the bills don’t want to restructure anybody else this year They might want to save some of those restructures for a future year 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Thanks Doc. The games people play They'll have to pay eventually one way or another. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Considering we started at -18.5 over the cap and had 24 Free Agents, to be 1.4 under after signing our draft picks as well as: FS Jordan Poyer (Re-Signed) RB Damien Harris OG Connor McGovern SS Taylor Rapp DT Poona Ford WR Deonte Harty OT Brandon Shell DE Shaq Lawson (Re-Signed) DT Jordan Phillips (Re-Signed) WR Trent Sherfield OG David Edwards RB Latavius Murray P Sam Martin (Re-Signed) QB Kyle Allen OT David Quessenberry (Re-Signed) LB Tyrel Dodson (Re-Signed) LB Tyler Matakevitch (Re-Signed) DE Shane Ray SS Dean Marlowe (Re-Signed) OG Ike Boettger (Re-Signed) LB Travin Howard CB Cam Lewis (Re-Signed) WR Marcell Ateman .... is pretty gosh darn impressive. The thing that is impressive about that is Terry Pegula writing those checks. Beane is just doing what most GM's would do if the owner gave them total control of the checkbook. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: There is a possibility that the bills don’t want to restructure anybody else this year They might want to save some of those restructures for a future year Indeed. Or they they might not want to use all of those restructures. It's hardly a requirement. They usually seem to want to go into the season with $4 or $5M quickly available in case of injuries and such. But perhaps they just consider keeping a near-automatic re-structure or two in hand instead. Edited June 3, 2023 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: They'll have to pay eventually one way or another. Yeah and since cap dollars roll over..........having $24M in space is merely accounting. At some point in the near future they will have to realize and absorb that $58M for playing this season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 19 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Thanks Doc. The games people play Don’t even worry about the cap teams always find the money see the Saints somehow adding Derek Carr for 125 million. It just depends on if you want to rebuild everything or kick the can down the road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Don’t even worry about the cap teams always find the money see the Saints somehow adding Derek Carr for 125 million. It just depends on if you want to rebuild everything or kick the can down the road. Always? Just not true. We see all the deals that go through. We don't see any of the deals where teams say, "Nope, can't do it," or "can't do it and stay in the kind of cap shape we want to maintain." The one example we know of is the Saints and Clowney. The Saints tried to grab him and the NFL disallowed the gymnastics they found necessary to accomplish it. Because the Saints went public in trying to do it, we heard about it, whereas when teams can't do it you simply don't hear. Pushing the cap can narrow your options and eventually, if you go far enough, force a rebuild before you otherwise would rather do that. It can be pushed thoughtfully and carefully. This is how Beane seems to like to work. Pretty much every team kicks a few cans. Kick too many, though, and the road ahead of you gets constricted with them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 47 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Always? Just not true. We see all the deals that go through. We don't see any of the deals where teams say, "Nope, can't do it," or "can't do it and stay in the kind of cap shape we want to maintain." The one example we know of is the Saints and Clowney. The Saints tried to grab him and the NFL disallowed the gymnastics they found necessary to accomplish it. Because the Saints went public in trying to do it, we heard about it, whereas when teams can't do it you simply don't hear. Pushing the cap can narrow your options and eventually, if you go far enough, force a rebuild before you otherwise would rather do that. It can be pushed thoughtfully and carefully. This is how Beane seems to like to work. Pretty much every team kicks a few cans. Kick too many, though, and the road ahead of you gets constricted with them. The Saints example really isn’t relevant. They weren’t attempting to restructure Clowney and kick the cab down the road, they were simply trying to trade a 2nd round pick for $5M in cash. Which has never been done before in NFL history with a free agent. It was an outlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: How in the world can the Jets have 24m of cap space after adding Rodgers I thought that his cap hit was minimum this year and something like 99M next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 3 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: Thanks Doc. The games people play Yeah.. this, and they’ve hit the jackpot in the Draft recently. They have many great young players still on rookie deals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 The cap is just accounting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 5 hours ago, Doc Brown said: A dangerous game to be playing w a guy who will hang you out to dry with no remorse. I hope he sucks this year and decides to retire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, DCofNC said: A dangerous game to be playing w a guy who will hang you out to dry with no remorse. I hope he sucks this year and decides to retire. Agree. Doing that with Tom Brady who is desperate to win is one thing. Doing it with Aaron who is a much more temperamental personality is another. Edited June 3, 2023 by GunnerBill 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: There is a possibility that the bills don’t want to restructure anybody else this year They might want to save some of those restructures for a future year I hope so. I have to believe Beane is done for this year. This roster is better than last year's. Time to go play some games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Until they restructure someone right? They can create space. Hopefully they are able to sign a pass rusher. 6 hours ago, John from Riverside said: There is a possibility that the bills don’t want to restructure anybody else this year They might want to save some of those restructures for a future year The key is to restructure players you believe will perform at a high level over the next few years. I do believe Tre White gets cut next year so I don’t think they want to restructure his deal. Edited June 3, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 11 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: They can create space. Hopefully they are able to sign a pass rusher. The key is to restructure players you believe will perform at a high level over the next few years. I do believe Tre White gets cut next year so I don’t think they want to restructure his deal. I can’t believe people are actually talking about cutting tre white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: The thing that is impressive about that is Terry Pegula writing those checks. Beane is just doing what most GM's would do if the owner gave them total control of the checkbook. And Pegula only does that is he believes in his GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: There is a possibility that the bills don’t want to restructure anybody else this year They might want to save some of those restructures for a future year Agreed, if you mean that they don't want to restructure more to add players. But they need to do something before the season starts, since we need about $7M more cap space for PS players and basic in-season moves, and even more if Von/Doyle/anybody else starts season on PUP/IR. I am really curious who Beane decides to restructure. White or Dawkins seem like most logical options (if we are talking converting base salary to some bonus). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 7 hours ago, John from Riverside said: There is a possibility that the bills don’t want to restructure anybody else this year They might want to save some of those restructures for a future year Agree. The guys left that they could restructure all have some question marks around them. I think it's far more plausible we see an extension or 2 that lowers the cap hit this year if they need to free up some money. Jones is possible. An Oliver extension would free up space (not that I'm advocating that they do that one). Dawkins perhaps (but like Oliver, not advocating). They could also have a surprise roster cut/trade this preseason as well. Tons of breathing room to still maneuver for Beane and still end up $4-5M under the cap without too much future impact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 32 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I can’t believe people are actually talking about cutting tre white Next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 9 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said: How in the world can the Jets have 24m of cap space after adding Rodgers Wizardry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: And Pegula only does that is he believes in his GM. I don't know if it says THAT much about how he feels about Beane. I doubt he has the same confidence in him that he had in 2020. But everyone knows that this team is close with prime Josh Allen at QB and the Pegula's gave McBeane full control and it wouldn't make sense to scale back now to try to save a few million $ and leave them with any excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: The thing that is impressive about that is Terry Pegula writing those checks. Beane is just doing what most GM's would do if the owner gave them total control of the checkbook. This is why I’m not terribly worried about the Bengals long term. Once they have to pay Burrow and a couple other guys, how eager do you think they will be to tie up hundreds of millions of $$$ for the guaranteed money? I think they will have some built in limitations due to ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfBubbleGum Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 10 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Is that $107M guaranteed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Next year. Even next year, if you have an all pro cornerback, you don’t let that guy go We should extend him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 3 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: Agree. The guys left that they could restructure all have some question marks around them. I think it's far more plausible we see an extension or 2 that lowers the cap hit this year if they need to free up some money. Jones is possible. An Oliver extension would free up space (not that I'm advocating that they do that one). Dawkins perhaps (but like Oliver, not advocating). They could also have a surprise roster cut/trade this preseason as well. Tons of breathing room to still maneuver for Beane and still end up $4-5M under the cap without too much future impact. That is really the issue. I do not like the idea of restructuring Dawkins. He might require an extension to do so as well and I would not want to add guarantees to his deal at this point. Tre White is a better option, but I understand why people would hesitate. But my view is that his salary this season is now guaranteed so we might as well make some room with it. The other possibility is cutting Morse. I’m not advocating for that, but I can see it happening - especially with the money and high draft pick spent on the IOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: I'm completely fine staying there as our roster is good enough right now to win a Super Bowl. I don't want to kick the can down the road any more unless a premier RT becomes unexpectedly available. Adding Brandon Shell makes me much more comfortable with the Right Tackle position. If Spencer Brown totally fails to progress, we have a veteran with a ton of starting experience ready to step in. I think the next move will be for a veteran Edge Rusher like Yannick Ngakoue, Frank Clark or Justin Houston. There is currently no rush to get one of these guys into camp (they probably don't want to be there anyway), and waiting until closer to the season may ultimately get us a better deal. Just now, BarleyNY said: That is really the issue. I do not like the idea of restructuring Dawkins. He might require an extension to do so as well and I would not want to add guarantees to his deal at this point. Tre White is a better option, but I understand why people would hesitate. But my view is that his salary this season is now guaranteed so we might as well make some room with it. The other possibility is cutting Morse. I’m not advocating for that, but I can see it happening - especially with the money and high draft pick spent on the IOL. The news about Buffalo doing another medical checkup on his ACL tells me that restructuring Tre White would probably be our first move, in the event more cap space is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, mjt328 said: The news about Buffalo doing another medical checkup on his ACL tells me that restructuring Tre White would probably be our first move, in the event more cap space is needed. Assuming the knee is okay, I agree. The Bills definitely need to make some cap room for when they go to a 53 man roster plus practice squad. Even with restructuring Tre they might need to find a few more dollars for IR replacements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 As soon as they can find a dance partner for Eddie O, that's 10M right there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Even next year, if you have an all pro cornerback, you don’t let that guy go We should extend him He’s not anymore. They drafted a 1st round CB. They have to start replacing the high contracts. Edited June 3, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 31 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He’s not anymore. They drafted a 1st round CB. They have to start replacing the high contracts. Let’s talk about this at the end of this year. I have a feeling that Tre’Davious White is going to surprise you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: ... is pretty gosh darn impressive You can just borrow from future years which is largely what Beane has done, I don't view it as impressive because as it stands right now they are going to be up against it for many years doing this same thing. I would say Beane was more of a responsible spender this year (so far, that changes if he signs Hopkins). They need to be more calculated and careful about who gets "paid". Not every good player deserves a pricy extension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted June 3, 2023 Share Posted June 3, 2023 16 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: You can just borrow from future years which is largely what Beane has done, I don't view it as impressive because as it stands right now they are going to be up against it for many years doing this same thing. I would say Beane was more of a responsible spender this year (so far, that changes if he signs Hopkins). They need to be more calculated and careful about who gets "paid". Not every good player deserves a pricy extension This is what every GM does though, so it’s not as if Beane is doing something reckless that all GM’s aren’t doing. Not saying you in particular, but there’s a really odd obsession with what the cap will look like in 2-3 years around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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