A man named Allen

[Bob Jones]

7 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

For the Bills in my lifetime only two are on the superstar level with #17 and that's #32 and #78. 

No 12  and 34?!

[Mr. WEO]

wow...

[Radar]

21 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

For the Bills in my lifetime only two are on the superstar level with #17 and that's #32 and #78. 

No Kelly? Lofton? Simpson? Over the years we've had superstars depending on your valuing system. Maybe Cornelius Bennett and Thomas? Hall of Famers must be superstars one thinks.

Edited May 17, 2023 by Radar

[0017]

12 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

No 12  and 34?!

34 still is my favorite number, but 17 is getting close. 

[WhoTom]

Are Josh threads becoming too commercialized?

 

[Big Blitz]

There is only 1 player in the NFL bigger then Allen and that’s Mahomes. 
 

No one from those 90s teams can say this when they were at the peak of their powers.  
 

 

Allen is the biggest superstar in the history of this city.  
 

 

Ranked:

 

Allen 

Hasek 

Kelly 

OJ

Thurman 

Bruce 

Edited May 17, 2023 by Big Blitz

[Fleezoid]

25 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

We haven't had this caliber of a Superstar in Buffalo in a very long time...alot of Bills fans don't know how to handle it 😄

 

[947]

1 minute ago, Radar said:

No Kelly? Lofton? Simpson? Over the years we've had superstars depending on your valuing system. Maybe Cornelius Bennett just to add another.

Wow, I can't believe we almost left Ko Simpson out of the superstar conversation.😄

[Radar]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

There is only 1 player in the NFL bigger then Allen and that’s Mahomes. 
 

No one from those 90s teams can say this when they were at the peak of their powers.  
 

 

Allen is the biggest superstar in the history of this city.  
 

 

Ranked:

 

Allen 

Hasek 

Kelly 

OJ

Thurman 

Bruce 

Couldn't disagree more.

[Gregg]

6 minutes ago, Radar said:

No Kelly? Lofton? Simpson? Over the years we've had superstars depending on your valuing system. Maybe Cornelius Bennett just to add another.

 

From a talent POV Bruce and OJ are above the rest. Bruce is the greatest defensive player in Bills history He is also one of the greatest in league history. Same goes for OJ for the Bills offense as well as the league. Kelly, Thomas, Reed, Lofton are all great players, but they are not considered some of the greatest at their positions. Bruce and OJ are.

Edited May 17, 2023 by Gregg

[Big Blitz]

1 minute ago, Radar said:

Couldn't disagree more.

 

Yea maybe Hasek isn’t number 2, but he’s one of my 3 favorite players ever in any sport so I’m biased.  
 

I was a teenager during the SB runs.  There was nothing like this as far as attention press hype and “appeal” as far as like reach to all fans and the media.   

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Please dont leave out Thurman Thomas in the history of Buffalo superstars. He was a league MVP. Allen is more physically gifted than all but OJ and Bruce, but has yet to even come close to the accomplishments of Thomas, Reed, Lofton, and Kelly. In time he will though. 

 

Don't forget Perreault, Mogilny, Hasek,and LaFontaine. All Buffalo superstars in their day.

[The Wiz]

21 minutes ago, 0017 said:

34 still is my favorite number, but 17 is getting close. 

How much closer?  Would you say "half way there"? 😜

[Ethan in Cleveland]

23 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

There is only 1 player in the NFL bigger then Allen and that’s Mahomes. 
 

No one from those 90s teams can say this when they were at the peak of their powers.  
 

 

Allen is the biggest superstar in the history of this city.  
 

 

Ranked:

 

Allen 

Hasek 

Kelly 

OJ

Thurman 

Bruce 

Apparently winning and individual achievements are not part of your criteria. 

[BillsPride12]

33 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

There is only 1 player in the NFL bigger then Allen and that’s Mahomes. 
 

No one from those 90s teams can say this when they were at the peak of their powers.  
 

 

Allen is the biggest superstar in the history of this city.  
 

 

Ranked:

 

Allen 

Hasek 

Kelly 

OJ

Thurman 

Bruce 

I would say it was trending that way but came to somewhat of a temporary halt with the way last season went.  Don't forget how big of a deal the Super Bowl Bills teams were in their heyday and how big Hasek was when he carried the Sabres to a Cup Finals on his back.  Allen is definitely a Superstar but I can't say he has eclipsed the stars from the Super Bowl years or Hasek or Gilbert yet and will be hard to do that until he at least reaches a Super Bowl.  It might seem like his stardom is on a different level from those guys because of the way we consume our Sports nowadays with modern technology, Twitter, places like here, YouTube videos etc. 

[Big Blitz]

Just now, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Apparently winning and individual achievements are not part of your criteria. 

 

Different categories and different ranks absolutely.  
 

I’m just basing this off essentially national star power and popularity.      
 

It’s simple - There is no other player that gets eyes on him and thus Buffalo in the NFL other then Mahomes.   I’m not sure you could say that about any 90s Bills player that is not to take anything from them.  
 

Kelly didn’t even join the Bills till 3 years after the draft.  I think without looking he was 30 in that first Super Bowl.  This is just different.  So how can you say he isn’t bigger then those guys.  
 

Not accomplishments - that’s a different list.  

Just now, BillsPride12 said:

I would say it was trending that way but came to somewhat of a temporary halt with the way last season went.  Don't forget how big of a deal the Super Bowl Bills teams were in their heyday and how big Hasek was when he carried the Sabres to a Cup Finals on his back.  Allen is definitely a Superstar but I can't say he has eclipsed the stars from the Super Bowl years or Hasek or Gilbert yet and will be hard to do that until he at least reaches a Super Bowl.  It might seem like his stardom is on a different level from those guys because of the way we consume our Sports nowadays with modern technology, Twitter, places like here, YouTube videos etc. 

 

 

Yea I can’t disagree with any of that.  

[mrags]

People arguing that Kelly and Thomas were better are just comical. They weren’t even the best at their positions at the time. Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith were both better than Thomas. And that’s not even considering Eric Dickerson, Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen.
 

Kelly wasn’t as good as Marino, Elway, Moon, Young, Cunningham,  Montana. 

Edited May 17, 2023 by mrags

[Ethan in Cleveland]

18 minutes ago, mrags said:

People arguing that Kelly and Thomas were better are just comical. They weren’t even the best at their positions at the time. Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith were both better than Thomas. And that’s not even considering Eric Dickerson, Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen.
 

Kelly wasn’t as good as Marino, Elway, Moon, Young, Cunningham,  Montana. 

Get no argument on Kelly.

As for Thurman, if you put him behind Dallas O-line that Smith had he would have produced even more yards. Sanders was a better runner, but Thurman was just as good a running back when you take into account receiving and pass blocking.  

[BillsPride12]

20 minutes ago, mrags said:

People arguing that Kelly and Thomas were better are just comical. They weren’t even the best at their positions at the time. Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith were both better than Thomas. And that’s not even considering Eric Dickerson, Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen.
 

Kelly wasn’t as good as Marino, Elway, Moon, Young, Cunningham,  Montana. 

Once again we are not talking about who is better...I would agree Allen is better than Kelly...but we are talking about level of being a Superstar.  Jim came into the league already being praised as a star from his UM and USFL days, there was a huge parade when he rode into town in a limousine when he signed here..literally.  The 1990 Bills were 7 point favorites going into Super Bowl 25 and the talk of the league.  Hasek was the NHL MVP and carried the Sabres to a Stanley Cup finals.  The biggest difference is the way we consume Sports nowadays everything is constantly crammed down our throats 24/7....make no mistake if social media was around in the 90s there would have been Meme's galore about how Kelly and Hasek and Bruce and Thurman were gods and the Dolphins Daddy etc..

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, Dopey said:

that whenever he takes batting practice, has a puzzle made out of his image, he swings a golf club, wears an outlandish suit to the Kentucky Derby(as is tradition, it seems) or sneezes, there is a new thread created. I know it's the off-season, but damn. He's got to be this guys son, no?

 

Please merge with all the other Josh threads. Please.

To the Bolded

[Taro Nimbus]

This will be a hot take to most, but Allen is already the greatest QB in Bills history.

[Radar]

5 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said:

This will be a hot take to most, but Allen is already the greatest QB in Bills history.

Disagree...... At some point he may become that but too early to crown him at this point. I love what he's shown thus far. The game has changed since the 90's as it's now a passing league. 

[Freddie's Dead]

...he makes Dear Abby look like Satan...

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

1 hour ago, Radar said:

No Kelly? Lofton? Simpson? Over the years we've had superstars depending on your valuing system. Maybe Cornelius Bennett and Thomas? Hall of Famers must be superstars one thinks.

I think he means “Superstars that we hang on every aspect of their lives” … to my knowledge, nobody cared about Joe Delamilleure’s wardrobe choices, HOF or not 😂

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

wow...

[Sestak4ever]

49 minutes ago, mrags said:

People arguing that Kelly and Thomas were better are just comical. They weren’t even the best at their positions at the time. Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith were both better than Thomas. And that’s not even considering Eric Dickerson, Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen.
 

Kelly wasn’t as good as Marino, Elway, Moon, Young, Cunningham,  Montana. 

Kelly was 11-7 against Marino in the regular season and 3-0 against him in the playoffs! And I think he was definitely better than Moon and Cunningham.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

22 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said:

This will be a hot take to most, but Allen is already the greatest QB in Bills history.

he's on his way but still has some business to take care of. 

[2ForMacAdoo]

1 hour ago, 947 said:

Wow, I can't believe we almost left Ko Simpson out of the superstar conversation.😄

"Do you know who I am?!  I'm Ko Simpson, safety for the Buffalo Bills!"

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

We haven't had this caliber of a Superstar in Buffalo in a very long time...alot of Bills fans don't know how to handle it 😄

Maybe ever

[The Wiz]

How far we have come.

 

For the record, Bledsoe had 4200ish in 2002.

[ganesh]

12 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

imagine if we had better weapons like this year (at RB, and presumably at receiver)—and an OC who is not a rookie.  He should have a really good year this year. 

 

Also, not to be negative, but to some extent this shows how good Allen is, but the lack of a team effort around him.  He was the offense.  Hopefully some more balance upcoming and a SB win!

He needs the defense to show up and contribute on their side in the playoffs,

[The Wiz]

Can we cut these over-commercialized jokers already???

 

 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

6 hours ago, mrags said:

People arguing that Kelly and Thomas were better are just comical. They weren’t even the best at their positions at the time. Barry Sanders and Emmitt Smith were both better than Thomas. And that’s not even considering Eric Dickerson, Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen.
 

Kelly wasn’t as good as Marino, Elway, Moon, Young, Cunningham,  Montana. 

Take it back good sir!! Kelly was undefeated in the playoffs against every cat (minus Cunningham, they only met in reg season which Kelly also won—the ‘90 meeting was K-Gun gold) you’ve listed as better than him…and before I get the usual “Kelly’s teammates were so much better” washed retort, I’m sorry, but we’ve all seen how little a good roster with a bad to passable QB can get you (see any of the drought years)…Kelly was usually darn great against those guys. And you’ve said already that Thomas overrated too, so…🤷🏼‍♂️

6 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said:

This will be a hot take to most, but Allen is already the greatest QB in Bills history.

He’s definitely on his way, but he needs to still show sustained greatness over time—a few more years to go! 

[mrags]

30 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Take it back good sir!! Kelly was undefeated in the playoffs against every cat (minus Cunningham, they only met in reg season which Kelly also won—the ‘90 meeting was K-Gun gold) you’ve listed as better than him…and before I get the usual “Kelly’s teammates were so much better” washed retort, I’m sorry, but we’ve all seen how little a good roster with a bad to passable QB can get you (see any of the drought years)…Kelly was usually darn great against those guys. And you’ve said already that Thomas overrated too, so…🤷🏼‍♂️

He’s definitely on his way, but he needs to still show sustained greatness over time—a few more years to go! 

Your screen name says it all. There’s no changing your mind in the subject. But you are wrong. Kelly was good, maybe even great. But Allen is a superstar. Not just one of the best at his position for his time. Possibly the best at his position and possibly the best player in the league. 
 

Allen 100% better than Kelly. 
 

and you commented about the talent in those teams then talk about the talent on the team during the drought years? The talent in the team during the drought years is about the same as the talent was at QB at those times. Pretty much non existent. The Bills had about 5 decent players in their 17 year drought. 

[DCofNC]

All good, but Lamar has an MVP and is going to throw for 6000 yards this year because he finally has weapons, so he’s clearly better.

[Dr.Sack]

Dude has 47% of his teams total rush yards through 8 playoff games. Get this man a RB.

[Chandler#81]

9 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

From a talent POV Bruce and OJ are above the rest. Bruce is the greatest defensive player in Bills history He is also one of the greatest in league history. Same goes for OJ for the Bills offense as well as the league. Kelly, Thomas, Reed, Lofton are all great players, but they are not considered some of the greatest at their positions. Bruce and OJ are.

The NFL Hall Of FAME is on the phone. They’d like a word with you.. 🤦‍♂️

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, mrags said:

Your screen name says it all. There’s no changing your mind in the subject. But you are wrong. Kelly was good, maybe even great. But Allen is a superstar. Not just one of the best at his position for his time. Possibly the best at his position and possibly the best player in the league. 
 

Allen 100% better than Kelly. 
 

and you commented about the talent in those teams then talk about the talent on the team during the drought years? The talent in the team during the drought years is about the same as the talent was at QB at those times. Pretty much non existent. The Bills had about 5 decent players in their 17 year drought. 

 

I can't comment on Kelly - he was before my time watching and I have only seen highlights and the Raiders AFCCG in full. But Josh isn't yet the best at his position in his era either. Mahomes remains the best Quarterback in football. Josh is close and at his best I think he is better, but he still has too many fluctuations in comparison to Mahomes. I take the arguments about coaching and supporting talent, but I can't put Josh #1 until he matches Pat's consistency. 

[T master]

They should come up with a commercial for Josh like the Bad Things commercial made for Bruce years ago . It would ave been cool to have Hopper himself do say a Good Things commercial for Josh but he has passed that commercial is such a classic !! 

 

Like Bruce Josh will go down as 1 of the all time greats & i believe surpass Kelly as the Bills best ever QB ! And go down with Kemp as the Bills QB that brings a championship to Buffalo once again .

Edited May 18, 2023 by T master

[North Buffalo]

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I can't comment on Kelly - he was before my time watching and I have only seen highlights and the Raiders AFCCG in full. But Josh isn't yet the best at his position in his era either. Mahomes remains the best Quarterback in football. Josh is close and at his best I think he is better, but he still has too many fluctuations in comparison to Mahomes. I take the arguments about coaching and supporting talent, but I can't put Josh #1 until he matches Pat's consistency. 

Damn getting old... JK before your time???... whered the time go?  OJ imo GOAT running back... pos post NFL... Jimbo great but not GOAT... Thurman one of the great all purpose backs... Bruuuuce... nuff said Reed up there... Allen still making a case but has a ways to go...

Edited May 18, 2023 by North Buffalo