UDFA signings 2023

[Kmart128]

This is an interesting invite. XFL guy

 

[Arkady Renko]

27 minutes ago, balln said:

Not necessarily. If the position of the holes is good maybe. Usually when you do a revision you bone graft the holes. Let them heal and redo in a second surgery.

 

prob just used an allograft (cadaver tendon) and a tightrope internal brace (rope/suture) But healing still isn’t necessarily faster 

You think he would do an allograft? If I were an athlete I’d look at another graft from my body. 

[balln]

1 minute ago, Arkady Renko said:

You think he would do an allograft? If I were an athlete I’d look at another graft from my body. 

For sure. That’s been studied. Way easier rehab. You’re not taking my hamstring. And they prob took his patellar tendon for first surgery. You’re not gonna take my patellar tendon from my other knee. 

[Arkady Renko]

30 minutes ago, balln said:

For sure. That’s been studied. Way easier rehab. You’re not taking my hamstring. And they prob took his patellar tendon for first surgery. You’re not gonna take my patellar tendon from my other knee. 

I did the hamstring for my ACL. I was happy with it.  Didn’t like the idea of a cadaver part. 

[Augie]

53 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I read this in an article discussing Von Miller's specific surgery. I cannot remember the author so I am unsure how credible the information, but supposedly this was part of Miller's reason for optimism regarding a quicker return than might be expected.

 

I was the author, but I’m not in the mood to argue right now. I am clearly credible. I’m on the internet!   😋

 

I am strangely hopeful about Von’s recovery. Watching Tre struggle was painful. We’ll never know how much was physical and how much was emotional, but I hope the young man finds his form this year. He’s just so easy to like. 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Kmart128 said:

This is an interesting invite. XFL guy

 

 

Brought back memories of 6'10" Mike Rockwood.  Recently photographed in the worlds largest polo shirt.

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

The difference if I recollect correctly is that holes drilled in the bone for a previous surgery were still available to use in the new surgery. Apparently this is helpful and lessens recovery time. But my PhD is in the humanities, so this may all be hearsay.

 

And yet it does suggest you have developed the aptitude to comprehend, contextualize, and even synthesize complex and diverse texts (not to mention a tolerance for debt!)

[BobbyC81]

Love it, a Polish kid from my local Sac St as mini-camp kicker.

[Dr. Who]

3 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

And yet it does suggest you have developed the aptitude to comprehend, contextualize, and even synthesize complex and diverse texts (not to mention a tolerance for debt!)

Too sad for words. I'll be dead before I have the damn thing paid off. 

[Von Braun]

13 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

 

Talking about Jason Peters here correct?

 

 

You got it! He was a  former TE at Arkansas working to convert to tackle and the Bills snatched him up as a UDFA. I'm pretty sure he didn't play any offensive snaps as a rookie, only special teams. 

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

And yet it does suggest you have developed the aptitude to comprehend, contextualize, and even synthesize complex and diverse texts (not to mention a tolerance for debt!)

Who needs to be educated nowadays

 

Just kidding

[PromoTheRobot]

The invites for XFL players have begun. I think that league, ending sooner in spring, will be a better bet for players hoping for NFL rookie camp invites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

19 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

PFF has a fuller list

 

BUFFALO BILLS

RB Jordan Mims, Fresno State

WR Tyrell Shavers, San Diego State

WR Jalen Wayne, South Alabama

OT Richard Gouraige, Florida

OT Noah Henderson, East Carolina

DI DJ Dale, Alabama

 

Minicamp

RB Isaiah Bowser, UCF

OG Josh Donovan, Arizona

DI KD Hill, Ole Miss

DI Taron Vincent, Ohio State

LB James Patterson, Buffalo

S Joe Foucha, LSU

S Javon Scruggs, Liberty

S Morgan Vest, Northern Arizona

LS Aaron Bolinsky, Syracuse

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-2023-udfa-tracker-undrafted-free-agent-signings-all-32-teams

 

I hope Patterson looks good in mini-camp so they sign him for training camp/preseason 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

I hope Patterson looks good in mini-camp so they sign him for training camp/preseason 

I hope so too, I will always support the UB guys.

 

Make me think; do we have any rookie mini camp success stories? 

[Richard Noggin]

17 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

Too sad for words. I'll be dead before I have the damn thing paid off. 

 

100% same. Does that mean my poor surviving family is on the hook? Is that what life insurance is for?

 

I also have a terminal humanities degree, which is a funny way to say it is chasing me to the grave! Go Bills lol

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

100% same. Does that mean my poor surviving family is on the hook? Is that what life insurance is for?

 

I also have a terminal humanities degree, which is a funny way to say it is chasing me to the grave! Go Bills lol

In retrospect it can all appear an utterly foolish dream, but I still understand the kind of romantic idealism that caused that journey in the first place. More often than not it hides under the guise of bitterness, alas. American pragmatism doesn't see the point of it. Anyway, be well fellow sufferer, and yes, let's go Buffalo!

[GunnerBill]

On 5/3/2023 at 5:36 PM, ColoradoBills said:

 

The thing is Siran did not play much at all, even with all the injuries with the DBs last season.

Neal only had 63 defensive snaps last year.  That's less than 4 snaps a game.

His worth is strictly STs.

 

He is the bakup for Taron and Taron was the one guy back there that stayed healthy. He can't play outside. They could have tried him at safety at some point, for sure, but chose not to.

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

In retrospect it can all appear an utterly foolish dream, but I still understand the kind of romantic idealism that caused that journey in the first place. More often than not it hides under the guise of bitterness, alas. American pragmatism doesn't see the point of it. Anyway, be well fellow sufferer, and yes, let's go Buffalo!

Not your every day post one reads on OBD and yes, Go Bills.

[TheCockSportif]

On 5/4/2023 at 10:34 AM, PromoTheRobot said:

The invites for XFL players have begun. I think that league, ending sooner in spring, will be a better bet for players hoping for NFL rookie camp invites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What some of these mamma jammas need to do is to "bulk up".  I recommend several hard-boiled eggs before each practice, scrimmage, or game, should that movie be our guide.

 

Edited May 5, 2023 by TheCockSportif

[BillsFanForever19]

On 5/3/2023 at 6:51 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

I'm not sure Latavius Murray makes it. I think the Bills signed him as insurance but they almost never draft 4 running backs, and Cook, Harris and Hines are all dressing unless Harris's health issues resurface. Are you really retaining a 33 year old running back as a non-dressing roster member at the expense of a young guy you like who plays teams? Q Morris played 75% of STs snaps this past season. Who replaces those snaps? You are not running Kincaid or Knox out there to do that job. 

 

I also agree with @MrEpsYtown - if Dodson doesn't win the LB job he might not be here, likewise AJ Klein (who they picked up off the street last season). 

 

I'd go no Murray and (optimistically) no Klein and replace them with Morris and Spector. I expect Morris to make it. Spector is more of a 50/50 proposition.

 

Obviously a chance Von starts on PUP (but I hope not). 

 

There's no way Von starts on PUP. His recovery and what he had done isn't the same as Tre's. By all accounts, he's not expected to miss any time. He's said at worst a game or two. They aren't going to shut him down for a guaranteed 6 games. If Beane felt that was the case, we'd have done more at DE.

 

As for Murray, we've always kept 4 RB's on the 53. Beane called his agents on Draft Day and told them that if he signed with them, he wouldn't Draft a RB. While I see the logic in carrying 3, keeping someone like Morris, and stashing Murray on the PS - I don't see them doing that. Any team in the league could have a player injured and playing time available to Murray and he'd be gone. He wouldn't stick around on a PS and give up the chance to play for someone else.

 

I do like Morris. But I feel that Gilliam could get more reps and cover Morris' role switching between behind the line blocking and on the line blocking when Harris (a solid run blocker) is in the Backfield.

 

While I could see a scenario where Spector makes the roster over a Dodson or Klein, I don't see it as likely. We keep 5 LB's, 6 max. With the uncertainty at MLB, I see us keeping 6.

 

Milano, Bernard and Williams (recent 3rd Round picks), and Tyler Matakevitch (core ST) are locks. That's 4 of the 6. Then I give Klein and Dodson the edge over Spector. I think we'd try and bring Spector back to the PS. But Klein and Dodson are more valuable at the moment.

[Coach Tuesday]

35 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

There's no way Von starts on PUP. His recovery and what he had done isn't the same as Tre's. By all accounts, he's not expected to miss any time. He's said at worst a game or two. They aren't going to shut him down for a guaranteed 6 games. If Beane felt that was the case, we'd have done more at DE.

 

As for Murray, we've always kept 4 RB's on the 53. Beane called his agents on Draft Day and told them that if he signed with them, he wouldn't Draft a RB. While I see the logic in carrying 3, keeping someone like Morris, and stashing Murray on the PS - I don't see them doing that. Any team in the league could have a player injured and playing time available to Murray and he'd be gone. He wouldn't stick around on a PS and give up the chance to play for someone else.

 

I do like Morris. But I feel that Gilliam could get more reps and cover Morris' role switching between behind the line blocking and on the line blocking when Harris (a solid run blocker) is in the Backfield.

 

While I could see a scenario where Spector makes the roster over a Dodson or Klein, I don't see it as likely. We keep 5 LB's, 6 max. With the uncertainty at MLB, I see us keeping 6.

 

Milano, Bernard and Williams (recent 3rd Round picks), and Tyler Matakevitch (core ST) are locks. That's 4 of the 6. Then I give Klein and Dodson the edge over Spector. I think we'd try and bring Spector back to the PS. But Klein and Dodson are more valuable at the moment.

I don’t think Benard is a lock.

[GunnerBill]

39 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

There's no way Von starts on PUP. His recovery and what he had done isn't the same as Tre's. By all accounts, he's not expected to miss any time. He's said at worst a game or two. They aren't going to shut him down for a guaranteed 6 games. If Beane felt that was the case, we'd have done more at DE.

 

As for Murray, we've always kept 4 RB's on the 53. Beane called his agents on Draft Day and told them that if he signed with them, he wouldn't Draft a RB. While I see the logic in carrying 3, keeping someone like Morris, and stashing Murray on the PS - I don't see them doing that. Any team in the league could have a player injured and playing time available to Murray and he'd be gone. He wouldn't stick around on a PS and give up the chance to play for someone else.

 

I do like Morris. But I feel that Gilliam could get more reps and cover Morris' role switching between behind the line blocking and on the line blocking when Harris (a solid run blocker) is in the Backfield.

 

While I could see a scenario where Spector makes the roster over a Dodson or Klein, I don't see it as likely. We keep 5 LB's, 6 max. With the uncertainty at MLB, I see us keeping 6.

 

Milano, Bernard and Williams (recent 3rd Round picks), and Tyler Matakevitch (core ST) are locks. That's 4 of the 6. Then I give Klein and Dodson the edge over Spector. I think we'd try and bring Spector back to the PS. But Klein and Dodson are more valuable at the moment.

 

Disagree strongly on Murray. I feel his chance of making the 53 are less than 50%.

[BillsFanForever19]

5 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I don’t think Benard is a lock.

 

He might not be a lock to take the Starting role. But he's absolutely a lock to make the 53. You don't spend a 3rd Round pick on a guy, bring him along slowly as a Rookie, and then cut him before his 2nd season. That's a waste of an investment. Day 2 Picks are going to at least get 2 years and probably won't be cut at all unless there's off the field issues.

[Shaw66]

22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Disagree strongly on Murray. I feel his chance of making the 53 are less than 50%.

Why do you think that?   I think it all depends on what he shows in the summer.  If he looks like he did last season, I would think he's a lock.   He sounds like a guy who stays in shape and who wants this opportunity.   Based strictly on what each has shown so far during their pro careers, I think Murray's the best back on the team.  He's had a whole career of being a part-time starter with better seasons than Cook. 

 

Now, I'm not saying he's the best back on the team, but he has proven ability to be a serious ball carrier for this team.   If he's out of gas, he's out of gas, but what I expect is that he's going to be inactive early in the season and Harris will get touches.   Then, as we get into November, I think Murray will start getting playing time.  

[Coach Tuesday]

18 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He might not be a lock to take the Starting role. But he's absolutely a lock to make the 53. You don't spend a 3rd Round pick on a guy, bring him along slowly as a Rookie, and then cut him before his 2nd season. That's a waste of an investment. Day 2 Picks are going to at least get 2 years and probably won't be cut at all unless there's off the field issues.

Oh it definitely would be a wasted investment but he was Maybin-like in the buyer’s remorse department last season and if he doesn’t show this offseason that he belongs in the league, they could and should just cut bait.

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Disagree strongly on Murray. I feel his chance of making the 53 are less than 50%.

 

 

Yeah I've heard Marino and others saying that Latavius Murray is a roster lock but I think the way the contract is constructed they basically guaranteed him a sum ($800k) that will put him on par with the lowest values that will count against the cap if they cut him.    Which would seem to be structured to allow them to cut him and keep him on the practice squad for compensation that is not far from league minimum for an on-roster player.   Perhaps I am wrong on how that would have to be accounted for but that was the impression I got when I saw the contract details.

 

Edited May 6, 2023 by BADOLBILZ

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Oh it definitely would be a wasted investment but he was Maybin-like in the buyer’s remorse department last season and if he doesn’t show this offseason that he belongs in the league, they could and should just cut bait.

 

He had ONE game with significant snaps in his Rookie year on Defense. 59 snaps in a Week 9 against the Jets. He had a grand total of 109 snaps on Defense all season. 

 

The idea that they would cut a 3rd Round pick after 1 season that he barely played in is ridiculous. There's no way Beane would do that. He's still learning and developing. 

Edited May 7, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[BillsFanForever19]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Disagree strongly on Murray. I feel his chance of making the 53 are less than 50%.

 

I'm not saying he's an absolute lock. But less than 50, I don't see that.

 

Like I said, we signed him instead of Drafting a RB. We always keep 4 RB's on the roster. Cook, Harris, and Hines will be active on Game Day.

 

But if we try and stash him on the Practice Squad, he's going to walk if given the opportunity to sign on anyone's 53 who has a RB injured. And then we're one injury at the position away from having no one. 

 

If Jordan Mims shows out in the Pre-Season, maybe we can feel safe stashing both of them and if we lose one, we still have the other. But I really feel given the way Beane has spoken and the situation that odds are definitely more in the favor of him being here than risking losing him on the PS.

[Doc]

Murray will be on the PS.  No one signed him this late in FA and it's a job/money, with a chance to play later in the season.

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

Why do you think that?   I think it all depends on what he shows in the summer.  If he looks like he did last season, I would think he's a lock.   He sounds like a guy who stays in shape and who wants this opportunity.   Based strictly on what each has shown so far during their pro careers, I think Murray's the best back on the team.  He's had a whole career of being a part-time starter with better seasons than Cook. 

 

Now, I'm not saying he's the best back on the team, but he has proven ability to be a serious ball carrier for this team.   If he's out of gas, he's out of gas, but what I expect is that he's going to be inactive early in the season and Harris will get touches.   Then, as we get into November, I think Murray will start getting playing time.  

 

Because I don't see him getting a jersey on gameday. Cook, Harris and Hines will be up one would think. Murray doesn't play teams.... so what are you gaining from a 34 year old back who is a healthy scratch?

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

I'm not saying he's an absolute lock. But less than 50, I don't see that.

 

Like I said, we signed him instead of Drafting a RB. We always keep 4 RB's on the roster. Cook, Harris, and Hines will be active on Game Day.

 

But if we try and stash him on the Practice Squad, he's going to walk if given the opportunity to sign on anyone's 53 who has a RB injured. And then we're one injury at the position away from having no one. 

 

If Jordan Mims shows out in the Pre-Season, maybe we can feel safe stashing both of them and if we lose one, we still have the other. But I really feel given the way Beane has spoken and the situation that odds are definitely more in the favor of him being here than risking losing him on the PS.

 

And so what if someone takes Latavius Murray off your PS when they get an injury in October? Like genuinely - so what? I think at his peak Murray was underrated but now he is the definition of a ten a penny vet. 

[BillsFanForever19]

46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And so what if someone takes Latavius Murray off your PS when they get an injury in October? Like genuinely - so what? I think at his peak Murray was underrated but now he is the definition of a ten a penny vet. 

 

Then why even sign him at all? Why make a point of signing him instead of Drafting a guy in the 6th and making a point of doing so during the Draft?

[CNYfan]

Lat is a local though.  He has been running wild for over two decades starting here in Bills Country as a High School phenom.  I believe he shows out and makes the team and will be valuable as the weather turns and D. Harris is on the IR.  4.5 tough yards a pop.   Been that way for all my time.

Edited May 7, 2023 by CNYfan

[Turk71]

 Murray faced a higher % stacked boxes than any rb w over 150 carries in the NFL last year, and still ran for 171 carries 760 yds 6 tds 4.5yds/carry.

He didnt look washed up at all. No idea how it will shake out but I thought he looked good whenever I saw him. Maybe they just stash him for insurance.

 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Turk71

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Then why even sign him at all? Why make a point of signing him instead of Drafting a guy in the 6th and making a point of doing so during the Draft?

 

Because Beane said himself the board didn't fall for them to take a running back.

[Shaw66]

13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because I don't see him getting a jersey on gameday. Cook, Harris and Hines will be up one would think. Murray doesn't play teams.... so what are you gaining from a 34 year old back who is a healthy scratch?

Thanks.   I think they'll have four running backs, and there may be a healthy scratch every weekend.  I think they say Murray as an important contributor on the back half of the schedule and into the playoffs.   They will decide this summer if they think he can be that guy, and if so, I think he will in fact be a healthy scratch from time to time.  So long as he and Harris are healthy, teams won't know from week to week who will see as the Bills power back.  

 

What I like about the running back room now is that it's as though the Bills have four guys spead across the spectrum from power back to scat back, with Harris on one end and Hines on the other, with Cook a speed back who's durable and talented enough to carry the main load, and with Murray a power back with some shiftiness that Harris lacks.   If Shakir can return punts, Hines could even be the healthy scratch from time to time.   

 

Once again, I think they're building toward more and more versatility.  

[Shaw66]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because Beane said himself the board didn't fall for them to take a running back.

But that isn't what Beane said.   He didn't say there wasn't a back for him to take.   He said that he realized he could go after other needs if he knew he didn't need a back.   It's very clear that his drafting strategy was that if a premium back fell to him, he'd take the back and tell Murray that he no longer was of interest to the Bills, and if no back fell his way, then Beane could sign Murray and shore up other areas of the lineup.   

 

Murray's not a long-term solution, and no fifth or sixth round back likely is on either.  A first round, maybe second round premium back is taken because he MAY be a long-term solution.  Murray is as good or better short-term solution than a fifth or sixth round rookie.  So, just like a fifth or sixth round rookie might be a healthy scratch (or possibly PS), Murray may be a healthy scratch from time to time.  I would bet that McBeane and Murray had the conversation with Murray when he visited Buffalo.  

 

[LabattBlue]

So the draft has been over for a week now, and no official announcement from the team regarding UDFA’s and rookie camp invites?

[ColoradoBills]

14 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

So the draft has been over for a week now, and no official announcement from the team regarding UDFA’s and rookie camp invites?

 

I've noticed they are slower this year.

Beane also said something to the effect that the rookies and UDFAs won't be coming to Buffalo until the 2nd option week which is May 12th-15th.

Maybe they are just waiting for that.  I expect to hear official stuff soon and the signing will happen when they get to Buffalo.

[Aussie Joe]

On 5/7/2023 at 4:41 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Because Beane said himself the board didn't fall for them to take a running back.

 

They have paid him some guaranteed money to make him feel better when he ends up on the PS.. and then when there is an inevitable injury they will promote him to the 53