What is the plan at DT?

[T master]

I would like to see them trade Oliver & his contract to another team plus a draft pick then they could afford to get a couple more with the money they would save from making that move .

 

I really like Oliver as a team guy but he is just inconsistent & disappears in games so the kind of money he will be asking for will be more than i feel he's worth to the Bills or any one else for that matter .

 

But apparently Beane & McD feel differently i get drafting, developing & keeping your own & if they could get him for a decent contract he may be worth keeping but he like most players will try for a generational contract & that won't fly with the Bills so get something for the time invested in him while the can . 

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Matt_In_NH said:

Did you read the OP?  Same is true for Jones and Settle.

Yep…I read it. The Bills will rebuild the DT position in free agency and the draft, NEXT year. They’re going to sit tight THIS year. Too many holes to fill this year to dwell on next year’s problems. 

[mrags]

19 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Mazi Smith.😉

 

9 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I’d be shocked if we don’t draft a DT.  Space eaters can be had late.  
 

I would hope that we can extend daquan asap- 

I personally think they will go to the DT pool multiple times this draft. I’m not saying to take all of them, but I like these guys at these spots. 
 

 

Siaki Ika in the 2nd rd

 

Keeanu Benton in the 3rd rd

 

 

Keondre Coburn in the 4th or hopefully later

 

 

Jerrod Clark in the 5th or later 
 

 

[balln]

2 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

I've heard that story before

 

He’s Ed Oliver 2.0. No thanks 

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, mrags said:

 

I personally think they will go to the DT pool multiple times this draft. I’m not saying to take all of them, but I like these guys at these spots. 
 

 

Siaki Ika in the 2nd rd

 

Keeanu Benton in the 3rd rd

 

 

Keondre Coburn in the 4th or hopefully later

 

 

Jerrod Clark in the 5th or later 
 

 

I really hope we don’t draft a DT rd 1-3.  If we go D, I hope it’s a pass rusher.  In Beanes time here, he’s only drafted one DT iirc, Ed.  Seems like a position that like to fill with vets.  
 

Starting to think that we sign a potential starting MLB to a cheap deal.  Walker, Perryman or Cunningham all potential fits. Just wait the market out and get one for good price.  I would think that the starting Mike job for the Bills is more enticing than most offers and could boost their value in 24.  
 

I like Ika, but I wouldn’t take a NT in rd 2 of this draft.  Rd 3, sure, but he might be gone. 
 

I’d be happy with Benton in rd 4 and Clark and Cobirn in 5/6/7

[Bangarang]

The plan is to keep dumping resources into the DL only for it to still be a big need. 
 

[Charles Romes]

The low cost free agency DT rebuild started out awesome last year. Then it all fall apart, especially after Von went down. 

[mrags]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I really hope we don’t draft a DT rd 1-3.  If we go D, I hope it’s a pass rusher.  In Beanes time here, he’s only drafted one DT iirc, Ed.  Seems like a position that like to fill with vets.  
 

Starting to think that we sign a potential starting MLB to a cheap deal.  Walker, Perryman or Cunningham all potential fits. Just wait the market out and get one for good price.  I would think that the starting Mike job for the Bills is more enticing than most offers and could boost their value in 24.  
 

I like Ika, but I wouldn’t take a NT in rd 2 of this draft.  Rd 3, sure, but he might be gone. 
 

I’d be happy with Benton in rd 4 and Clark and Cobirn in 5/6/7

I don’t trust Mc-Beane to draft any DE ever again. They’ve shown they are terrible at it. Groot was as sure a pick as you could get really when and where they got him. I give them almost no credit for that. Yet he still hasn’t stepped up enough to produce where he should imo. 
 

AJ, Boogie, Bam Johnson. All disappointments imo. Johnson was probably the best one of the 3. But because he was a late round pick and AJ and Boogie were early picks they kept the wrong one. 

[NewEra]

Just now, mrags said:

I don’t trust Mc-Beane to draft any DE ever again. They’ve shown they are terrible at it. Groot was as sure a pick as you could get really when and where they got him. I give them almost no credit for that. Yet he still hasn’t stepped up enough to produce where he should imo. 
 

AJ, Boogie, Bam Johnson. All disappointments imo. Johnson was probably the best one of the 3. But because he was a late round pick and AJ and Boogie were early picks they kept the wrong one. 

Yeah they’ve been bad at it in rd 2, but I’m happy with Rousseau.  If the plan is to never draft a Pass rusher again, Beane should just be fired.  You can’t run a team like that.  

[Green Lightning]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I hope for more offense as well

We need to be careful not to overdraft guys because of it

13-3

Phenomenal in the regular season, so we make the playoffs and get bounced in our window and Josh's prime. We won't get over the hump signing average players. 

[mrags]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Yeah they’ve been bad at it in rd 2, but I’m happy with Rousseau.  If the plan is to never draft a Pass rusher again, Beane should just be fired.  You can’t run a team like that.  

Well. That answers that then. I think Beane should be fired. Because I think he’s failed at drafting overall. 
 

yes I know we have plenty of guys that he’s drafted that have been good or even great. But overall I think he’s been bad. 

10 minutes ago, Green Lightning said:

Phenomenal in the regular season, so we make the playoffs and get bounced in our window and Josh's prime. We won't get over the hump signing average players. 

———-^ this 

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, Airseven said:

The plan is to draft defensive front 7 early and often in predictable and depressing fashion.

You are a breath of fresh air every time you post, 

 

Even back in the BBMB days you hated everything all the time, why do you even call yourself a Bills fan? It’s been at least a decade of nonstop b itching from you, it’s time for a new hobby or team to pretend you’re a fan of.

 

nuthin but luv, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

[Straight Hucklebuck]

That’s why it looks increasingly like Defense in Round 1.

[Fixxxer]

We could bring back Vincent Taylor, he could help in the rotation, though I don't know what kind of year he had with Atlanta. 

[mrags]

3 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

You are a breath of fresh air every time you post, 

 

Even back in the BBMB days you hated everything all the time, why do you even call yourself a Bills fan? It’s been at least a decade of nonstop b itching from you, it’s time for a new hobby or team to pretend you’re a fan of.

 

nuthin but luv, 

 

GO BILLS!!!

Because he loves his team and is sick of them making terrible decisions that cost us games when we should be and could be better?

[balln]

This is what I’ve been saying. look at contracts, future, what they have , and Von injury. 
 

it’s painfully obvious they are massively weak at DL. they’re gonna go BPA at DL or Lb at 27. Outside chance at TE. 
 

As fans at the end of the year -

we all thought both lines were WHIPPED. DL was abused by cincy backups. And we wanted weapons WR2. 
 

beane presser. Back to reality. Don’t expect big moves 

 

they need to rebuild a bit here the next two drafts. 

Edited March 22, 2023 by balln

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, mrags said:

Well. That answers that then. I think Beane should be fired. Because I think he’s failed at drafting overall. 
 

yes I know we have plenty of guys that he’s drafted that have been good or even great. But overall I think he’s been bad. 

———-^ this 

if i thought Beane shouldn’t draft a DE ever again based on his past, I would want him to be fired.  
 

I don’t agree with the assessment though.  He missed on 2 and hit on 1.  I hated his misses when they were drafted and didn’t have expectations for either of them 

[mrags]

2 minutes ago, balln said:

This is what I’ve been saying. look at contracts, future, what they have , and Von injury. 
 

it’s painfully obvious they are massively weak at DL. they’re gonna go BPA at DL or Lb at 27. Outside chance at TE. 
 

As fans at the end of the year -

we all thought both lines were WHIPPED. And we wanted weapons WR2. 
 

beane presser. Back to reality. Don’t expect big moves 

 

they need to rebuild a bit here the next two drafts. 

Just terrible considering all the money and resources they throw at it the last few years. Multiple 2nd round picks, a 1st rd pick, and a 100m+ FA. And we’re still looking. 

[blacklabel]

I think...and I'm not sure here... But I think what they do is, is they find guys that play defensive tackle and they go hey, you wanna play for da Bills? And then they play da game and tackle da guy. It's pretty simple. 

[HappyDays]

33 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

The plan is to keep dumping resources into the DL only for it to still be a big need. 
 

 

DL is ALWAYS a need, for every team. Filling four spots plus depth for more than one year at a time is impossible. Nobody should be surprised if Beane drafts DL early again. It has the highest potential production to rookie contract value other than QB. Just because Epenesa and Basham were bad picks and Oliver has been underwhelming doesn't mean you stop going back to that well.

[Freddie's Dead]

Plan?

[freddyjj]

3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The Bills have D Jones, Oliver and Settle all in their final year.   Then they have a bunch of practice squad guys.  So not one guy under contract for 2024.   I don't hear a lot about DT as a need position, it is.  They should be looking in the draft to get younger, they should extend Daquon Jones if they can work that out.  Thoughts?

DT in Rd 1.  This place will go thermonuclear for sure.  
 

Seriously this could be a double up year in our draft where Bills take a 1 and a 3 technique if no one is signed in FA.  Not a good year for DT though so can see Poona Ford or another FA being signed before draft.  
 

 

[balln]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

Just terrible considering all the money and resources they throw at it the last few years. Multiple 2nd round picks, a 1st rd pick, and a 100m+ FA. And we’re still looking. 

I’ve settled on bad luck. They’re mid to late second rd picks. And late first . They just aren’t difference makers in nfl. Wish it was a second rd hit like a miss st DT named Chris jones. 

Von was killing it until injury on bad turf 

 

only one I really blame beane for is Oliver. Dude was undersized and played at a middling conf. Never was dominant or productive in college. That was a bad pick. Especially at the pedigree and traits of players taken after him 

 

[syhuang]

with how much McD loves DBs, we'll have a 10-DB + Milano defense next season 😄

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

DL is ALWAYS a need, for every team. Filling four spots plus depth for more than one year at a time is impossible. Nobody should be surprised if Beane drafts DL early again. It has the highest potential production to rookie contract value other than QB. Just because Epenesa and Basham were bad picks and Oliver has been underwhelming doesn't mean you stop going back to that well.

You can't ignore the offense year after year if you keep missing on those picks.

 

This isn't the year for it.

 

[balln]

4 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

You can't ignore the offense year after year if you keep missing on those picks.

 

This isn't the year for it.

 

Normally I agree. Comment is on point before last years draft. But this year - reality :  They have NO one under contract next year at DT. NO youth. NO future. And for the entire DL - it’s groot as the only average to above average starter w years ahead of him . 

Edited March 22, 2023 by balln

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

You can't ignore the offense year after year if you keep missing on those picks.

 

This isn't the year for it.

 

 

I would like them to acquire Jeudy, Hopkins, or OBJ, and then they can draft whoever they feel is the BPA at each pick. OL I would like them to spend more day two and three picks there. But in round one nobody should be surprised if we take another front 7 player. That's seemingly where the value will be at our spot and our pass rush was abysmal down the stretch last year.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

25 minutes ago, balln said:

Normally I agree. Comment is on point before last years draft. But this year - reality :  They have NO one under contract next year at DT. NO youth. NO future. And for the entire DL - it’s groot as the only average to above average starter w years ahead of him . 

And here's the problem with bringing beane back for another go at it. do we trust the guy who's failed pretty miserably at it to do the same thing again?

 

[mrags]

27 minutes ago, balln said:

I’ve settled on bad luck. They’re mid to late second rd picks. And late first . They just aren’t difference makers in nfl. Wish it was a second rd hit like a miss st DT named Chris jones. 

Von was killing it until injury on bad turf 

 

only one I really blame beane for is Oliver. Dude was undersized and played at a middling conf. Never was dominant or productive in college. That was a bad pick. Especially at the pedigree and traits of players taken after him 

 

I hated the Oliver pick before it even happened. When people were comparing him to Donald pre draft. He’s nothing like Donald. Never was. Looking at the 2 side by side it’s like looking at a man and a teenager stand next to one another. 
 

bad luck is great to claim until it’s not a coincidence anymore. 

[Back2Buff]

Not sure I care as long as D Jones is healthy.  We used so many different combos of players last year and can't say I really noticed any difference until Jones was out.

 

I'm fine with veteran minimum guys there.

[Yantha]

4 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

The Bills have D Jones, Oliver and Settle all in their final year.   Then they have a bunch of practice squad guys.  So not one guy under contract for 2024.   I don't hear a lot about DT as a need position, it is.  They should be looking in the draft to get younger, they should extend Daquon Jones if they can work that out.  Thoughts?

 

I'd say the draft is looking good in the 4th through 6th round to address this need.  I like the two top DT/NT prospects from Texas this year.  

Ojomo and Coburn

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

I hated the Oliver pick before it even happened. When people were comparing him to Donald pre draft. He’s nothing like Donald. Never was. Looking at the 2 side by side it’s like looking at a man and a teenager stand next to one another. 
 

bad luck is great to claim until it’s not a coincidence anymore. 

I know that mock drafts don't do a good job of predicting exactly what each team will do, but they do give you a good sense of what the consensus of players' values are going into the draft. Every mock draft in 2019 had Ed Oliver going in the top 10, with most having him going in the top 5. Here they all are: https://www.google.com/search?q=2019+nfl+mock+draft&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS969US969&oq=2019+NFL+Mock+Draft&aqs=chrome.0.35i39j0i512l4j0i22i30l2j0i15i22i30j0i22i30l2.6997j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[mrags]

Just now, FrenchConnection said:

I know that mock drafts don't do a good job of predicting exactly what each team will do, but they do give you a good sense of what the consensus of players' values are going into the draft. Every mock draft in 2019 had Ed Oliver going in the top 10, with most having him going in the top 5. Here they all are: https://www.google.com/search?q=2019+nfl+mock+draft&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS969US969&oq=2019+NFL+Mock+Draft&aqs=chrome.0.35i39j0i512l4j0i22i30l2j0i15i22i30j0i22i30l2.6997j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I remember quite well what people were saying about Oliver. I never believed any of it from the start. 
 

I only accepted the pick after it was made and hoped that the Bills would bring something out of him that I didn’t see. I was proven right (at least to me) when he’s never accomplished much of anything. Now everyone here, even people that loved him from the start, are saying he needs to go, should be traded, or can’t wait until we don’t have his ridiculous contract on the books anymore. 
 

im not by any means correct about everything. But I saw it from the start he was just too undersized for the position. Maybe they should try and move him to DE since we have such a hike there also. 

[Bangarang]

51 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

DL is ALWAYS a need, for every team. Filling four spots plus depth for more than one year at a time is impossible. Nobody should be surprised if Beane drafts DL early again. It has the highest potential production to rookie contract value other than QB. Just because Epenesa and Basham were bad picks and Oliver has been underwhelming doesn't mean you stop going back to that well.

Im not saying you stop and I wouldn’t be surprised if we go DL early. The reality is that we’ve invested tens of millions in free agency, drafted guys in the 1st and 2nd rounds and outside of Von there isn’t a single impact player on the DL. That’s really the biggest issue. 
 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Three options

1. Trade Oliver for a 2nd and draft another DT. They don't have the draft capital to spend on a DT at this point.

2. Sign Wagner to play MLB. Keep Oliver on the 5th year. Burn one of your draft picks on a DT.

3. Assuming no veteran MLB is signed, bring back Phillips or some other journeyman for the 4th DT and let Oliver play out his contract like they did with Edmunds. Draft a LB this year to replace Edmunds and draft DT in 2024. Only one of the first 4 picks should be used for defense.

3b. Trade out of the first round and get two day 2 picks. This allows you to get MLB, DT, WR, OT, C/G  in the first four rounds in no particular order.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

hoping for some overpriced marginal former Panther DTs Due to a vast appreciation for continuity. 

[TheFunPolice]

3 hours ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

Mazi Smith.😉

 

Now we're talking! Plus at only 337 pounds and being a rookie he's got some room to get to 350 for us!

[Matt_In_NH]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Yep…I read it. The Bills will rebuild the DT position in free agency and the draft, NEXT year. They’re going to sit tight THIS year. Too many holes to fill this year to dwell on next year’s problems. 

I think they need to start this year and not have completely bare cupboards.   Keep in mind Phillips is gone and right now there is no replacement.   I think they can extend Jones, draft a guy this year.   And then draft/FA again next year.

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, Yantha said:

 

I'd say the draft is looking good in the 4th through 6th round to address this need.  I like the two top DT/NT prospects from Texas this year.  

Ojomo and Coburn

I like the Ojomo fella. I remember seeing a few Longhorn games and he stood out, plus on the pff mock simulator, you can always get him way past his projected value

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I always had the feeling that we settled a little too fast for Tim