D-Hop & The King

[Einstein's Dog]

19 minutes ago, NC-billsfan! said:

I hate being disrespectful by posting non Hopkins stuff, but I am interested in yours and others views on Oliver. I randomly chose to respond to your post. My point would be, why on earth would you trade Oliver in a contract year? This is when the first round “meh’s” come out to play. It’s payday. He will probably be a beast next year, let’s ride it and see him out the door as they get paid a ton to revert to their former selves. See Phillips and Shaq. Thanks for posting. Go Bills!

The reason many people would like to trade Oliver is to move resources from the Defense to the Offense.  Oliver is over $10M and that money would go a long way in getting an elite player on offense.  

 

To the OP, I think it would be more realistic to think of one move, not multiple.  And to rate those moves.  Sure D Hop would look great but he is picks and a huge salary.  J Jeudy would cost less monetarily but comes at a big draft pick and looming cost a year out.  OBJ comes with a midrange cost and lots of injury/recovery risk.  D Henry comes at mid-range draft cost and mid-range to high cost - but is also an RB. 

 

I'd like to see the FO do an off the radar move of a draft pick for M Evans.  Not as expensive as D Hop, more proven experience than Jeudy, healthier than OBJ, and not an RB like D Henry.  

 

 

[Alphadawg7]

One maybe, but two is fantasy from a cap perspective.

 

I’d try and go get Hopkins and just draft a RB or sign Hunt.  

[NC-billsfan!]

14 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

The reason many people would like to trade Oliver is to move resources from the Defense to the Offense.  Oliver is over $10M and that money would go a long way in getting an elite player on offense.  

 

To the OP, I think it would be more realistic to think of one move, not multiple.  And to rate those moves.  Sure D Hop would look great but he is picks and a huge salary.  J Jeudy would cost less monetarily but comes at a big draft pick and looming cost a year out.  OBJ comes with a midrange cost and lots of injury/recovery risk.  D Henry comes at mid-range draft cost and mid-range to high cost - but is also an RB. 

 

I'd like to see the FO do an off the radar move of a draft pick for M Evans.  Not as expensive as D Hop, more proven experience than Jeudy, healthier than OBJ, and not an RB like D Henry.  

 

 

As Billz4ever has pointed out,  the money is fully guaranteed, so a cut is out of the question. Sounds good to trade him to allocate resources to offense but I don’t think it’s realistic. Could it happen, sure, but I’d rather keep him. It’s a contract year for him. One very good year and he’s gonna get paid big time, hopefully not by us. Honestly, I think we are gonna ride out his last year, it makes sense.

 

The other points are interesting, I was more interested in the Oliver chat, which honestly I feel bad posting about in here because I don’t want to hijack the OP’s post. I like your screen name. 

Edited March 18, 2023 by NC-billsfan!

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, ClemsonBills said:

While the salary cap can really be manipulated, it still exists…

Tell that to the saints 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

54 minutes ago, Chaos said:

He is going to be a free agent. If he has a good year on the Bills another team can offer him the same contract.  Oliver is only worth his current salary. If he was released outright, no one is likely signing him for more than $10mm this season.  So teams aren't going to give up compensation for the same luxury.

 

You won't get a good return on any trade with him, but wouldn't say no one would be interested.  A team with a lot of money to spare may take a gamble on him.  Yes he's a FA next season, but whomever he plays for in 2023 does have the inside track on signing him to a new contact as a last resort could tag him.  Also that team can sign him prior to next March.

 

Will he get traded not likely, but if the Bills were desperate to offload the salary, I'm sure they could find a taker at a low return on value.

[NastyNateSoldiers]

33 minutes ago, NC-billsfan! said:

As Billz4ever has pointed out,  the money is fully guaranteed, so a cut is out of the question. Sounds good to trade him to allocate resources to offense but I don’t think it’s realistic. Could it happen, sure, but I’d rather keep him. It’s a contract year for him. One very good year and he’s gonna get paid big time, hopefully not by us. Honestly, I think we are gonna ride out his last year, it makes sense.

 

The other points are interesting, I was more interested in the Oliver chat, which honestly I feel bad posting about in here because I don’t want to hijack the OP’s post. I like your screen name. 

That’s my Fantasy football team name! 😂 

[NC-billsfan!]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

You won't get a good return on any trade with him, but wouldn't say no one would be interested.  A team with a lot of money to spare may take a gamble on him.  Yes he's a FA next season, but whomever he plays for in 2023 does have the inside track on signing him to a new contact as a last resort could tag him.  Also that team can sign him prior to next March.

 

Will he get traded not likely, but if the Bills were desperate to offload the salary, I'm sure they could find a taker at a low return on value.

I think the fact that a team could tag him and keep him is a possibility. But I’m with you, unlikely. I bet Einstein’s dog is smarter than ours, hell, he’s probably smarter than me. 😃

[3rdand12]

4 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I wouldn't.  The offense can't give Henry enough touches.  Cook and Hines need to see the field to be part of the passing game. 

 

Diggs is the team prima donna, and I wouldn't put another in the receiver room. The Diggs-Hopkins show would be a distraction. 

 

If I were going to stretch, it would have been for a stud offensive lineman. 

You might be over thinking the Diggs Hopkins thing.

 But we really cannot afford him at this point anyways.
Bills could make good use of another OG. and need to invest in our next center.
So if Connor is the next center ??? We still need a starting RG who is a big upgrade for years to come.
I would say RT but thinking Bills love Brown. so a swing tackle in the draft perhaps

[starrymessenger]

5 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

That assumes Tennessee even wants Oliver.  Why would they want an undersized, underperforming DT who's owed almost $11M dollars this year?

I'd be talking to Denver about them having interest in a DT. I think they have the most need and Jeudy would be the target though we would have to top up our offer with a (late round?) pick. I keep hearing conflicting accounts on whether Broncos are interested in moving the receiver. Broncos opening position is a first. 
At least the Pats are out of the running now but still 3 or 4 teams with interest.

Edited March 18, 2023 by starrymessenger

[ArtVandalay]

Since 2016 the Bills 2nd round picks have consisted of: Reggie Ragland, Zay Jones, Shnowman, Cody Ford, AJ Epenessa, Boogie Cantbashanyone, James Cook...

 

You seriously wouldn't sacrafice ONE of those guys to get Henry for a super bowl run?????

 

Need to push the chips at some point. Let's go. 

[filthymcnasty08]

Would rather use picks to trade up for Bijan than bring in DeHe

 

Somehow I feel that Motor comes back, we feature Cook and we aim resources at upgrading the OL

 

 

 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

If the Hopkins price has been reduced from a 2nd to a 3rd and pieces, for sure I’m doing it, but it’s not in a vacuum. 

 

Everything hinges on being able to move Oliver’s cap space off the roster.

 

Then the Neal lever would have to be pulled, and DaQuan get extended and cap hit spread out just to have a shot at Hopkins.

 

And then you’d have to rework the Hopkins deal to try and make everything fit, it would leave nothing remaining. 

 

I’ve read on Rotowire that his cap hit for teams trading for him is $19.4M in 2023 and $14.94M 2024, but he has a $30M cap hit on Spotrac for 2023 and $26M in 2024.

 

So for this to be realistic, what is the real cap number? 
 

Edited March 18, 2023 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

9 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

Need to push the chips at some point. Let's go. 

☝️"Keedz god aleegador blood.  Gand ged reed ov heem!"

[machine gun kelly]

5 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I wouldn't.  The offense can't give Henry enough touches.  Cook and Hines need to see the field to be part of the passing game. 

 

Diggs is the team prima donna, and I wouldn't put another in the receiver room. The Diggs-Hopkins show would be a distraction. 

 

If I were going to stretch, it would have been for a stud offensive lineman. 

I like the Hopkins idea, but Henry is a complete chef of our offense.  We’re not going to do that, and he’s not worth the investment.  I think he’s a $10 mil. Guy.  Hopkins isn’t cheap, but adds to our needs.

[billieve420]

6 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I wouldn't.  The offense can't give Henry enough touches.  Cook and Hines need to see the field to be part of the passing game. 

 

Diggs is the team prima donna, and I wouldn't put another in the receiver room. The Diggs-Hopkins show would be a distraction. 

 

If I were going to stretch, it would have been for a stud offensive lineman. 

Agree if not able to get one in the draft. Sign veteran RB to compliment and pair with Cook. Fix the O-line and watch Allen take that next step in his development. We just need to have the threat of being able to run the ball but protecting Allen in the pocket is more important for a pass first offense.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

 

[Malazan]

7 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

Making these deals would make our offense unstoppable force just imagine Allen , Diggs, Hopkins, Harty , Davis & Knox in the passing game and King Henry and Cook in the running game . This would absolutely take the league by storm . Defensive coordinators around the league would definitely not be sleeping much trying to prepare for this onslaught. 

 

Yes, and the whole 1.5 seconds Allen has to get rid of the ball and the initial contact for Henry and Cook 1-2 yards in the backfield!

[Matt_In_NH]

It’s not the picks it’s the contracts

[BillsFanForever19]

Oh so we're playing Madden now?

 

I mean, why stop there? Add Dalton Risner, Bobby Wagner, and Frank Clark while you're at it.

 

With their contracts, I don't know how we could do DeAndre Hopkins period. Hopkins AND Henry is totally unrealistic.

[Aussie Joe]

7 hours ago, SCBills said:

It’s definitely a risk.  
 

I don’t think he’s getting 20M.  I do think 2/30 could get it done .. especially if Hopkins goes to Dallas and takes them out of the running.  
 

We could fully guarantee his salary this year, with Davis still here, and then leave ourselves an out next year if it could be structured that way. 

 

 

You want to pay OBJ $30m ?

 

Maybe cut that in half …

6 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Where are you hearing this?

Twitter , so it must be true 

[billsbackto81]

8 hours ago, ClemsonBills said:

While the salary cap can really be manipulated, it still exists…

Hopkins is only 30. If he's willing to restructure I'd consider it depending on the length of contract. 

 

Henry is still due pretty big money and has a good amount of wear on the tires.

[Aussie Joe]

6 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I agree with u I was just responding to what the Bills believe is the shape of their Oline . I don’t believe they were as bad as some make them out to be . I realize Josh makes them look better at times but there’s also the times we’re Josh takes to long to get rid of the ball. The Bills will use a couple pks on the Oline in the middle of the draft a couple players to develop. They’re not using their high pks or cap space to do that’s all I’m saying . 

How the heck do you know what they are doing with their picks?

 

There is more chance of them using an early pick on the OL before they use it to trade for Hopkins…

 

Also … “ not as bad as made out “… what makes you think that?  I think they were below average as a group ..

 

 

Edited March 18, 2023 by Aussie Joe

[Big Turk]

No. Stop with this nonsense already. They aren't taking on massive contracts 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Both Henry and D Hop are nearing the end of the road.  They are not worth high draft picks to a team that has a big QB contract and needs to have low paid contributors on the roster to manage the cap.  When Beane says that nothing big will happen in free agency this year, I believe him.  He is not going to mortgage the future any further.  The only way a big name guy ends up being added to the Bills will probably be a free agent that isn't getting good offers and signs on a one year prove it deal.  Neither Henry nor Hopkins fit that scenario.  While dreamers on this site continue to fantasize about what seems like every player in the league, Beane is managing the Bills to compete every year.

[DCofNC]

Any trade for either guy needs to get Oliver off the books, it may be a case where you have to give up more to shed the dead weight and clear the cap space.  

12 hours ago, Herb Nightly said:

I personally would give them Oliver,or the pick, not both.

My Oliver fantasy trade is send him back to Houston for their two 3rd round picks.

That’s a helluva fantasy.

[Richard Noggin]

I don't trust Hopkins to age gracefully, as a guy who reportedly doesn't outwork anyone in the off-season or even in practice DURING the season. If those things are partially true, then it does not bode well as he moves into his 30s. 

 

Then again, he has basically ALWAYS performed, including when he returned from suspension (or was it injury?) this past season.

[Thurman#1]

18 hours ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:

I’m hearing the Titans want a 2nd and a day 3 Pk for Henry and the Cards want a 3rd and something else for Hopkins. We have the picks necessary to get this done the question is would u do it? I know the cap will be an issue but there’s ways to Redo there deals and we can get Oliver and his 11mil off the books. 

 

 

This colored part is weak, as I'm sure you know.

 

And it's weak for a reason. There really is no good answer to this problem. It would put us in cap quicksand and would mean we'd be there for a while. Beane does NOT appear to be interested in that.

 

And thank goodness he isn't.

[ProcessTruster]

don't have the cap space

[Warriorspikes51]

13 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

I don't trust Hopkins to age gracefully, as a guy who reportedly doesn't outwork anyone in the off-season or even in practice DURING the season. If those things are partially true, then it does not bode well as he moves into his 30s. 

 

Then again, he has basically ALWAYS performed, including when he returned from suspension (or was it injury?) this past season.

Hopkins was working out with Von

[Freddie's Dead]

No.  We have to get an OL first.  We don't have the $$$$.

[drumizen]

Most i would give for Henry is a 3rd. Cardinals want a 1st rounder and a day 3 pick. So out on D-Hop.

[Goin Breakdown]

So today's signing gets me wondering a couple things. Is Buffalo going WR in the draft? What round? Because I can see them now going MLB or DE........again. Also Buffalo has very little cap space to do anything as far as getting that "big back" they have been pegged as wanting. So again, draft?  With the holes they've got, I really don't see all out draft pics being day one starters and I kinda feel like many of them have to be.