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1 hour ago, Chaos said:

Spending more than the NFL minimum salary on backup QB for this roster is insane.  If Allen is gone, we lose. 

 

I do think a decent backup QB helps in camp and helps identify players to maybe keep in preseason games.

Also, if Allen is out for the season I agree, but what about finishing a game where a QB goes down or for 1 or 2 during the season?

I'm not advocating for a high $ backup, but I think the position has more to it than many fans believe.

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43 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I do think a decent backup QB helps in camp and helps identify players to maybe keep in preseason games.

Also, if Allen is out for the season I agree, but what about finishing a game where a QB goes down or for 1 or 2 during the season?

I'm not advocating for a high $ backup, but I think the position has more to it than many fans believe.

Agree. Everyone assumes the injury will be season ending. Picture the scenario where the Bills are 4-0 and kicking everyone's ass, and (God forbid) QB1 sprains his ankle, or is in the concussion protocol for a few weeks. Are people saying "just tank the season, we have no chance"? You have to have someone who can muddle through and not lose 3-4 games by themself.

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5 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

It’s a sixth unless you think a 6th makes the active roster here?

Sounds like you believe 6th (and later) are just throw-a-ways to be used as camp fodder.  Do the names Tom Brady or Terrell Davis ring a bell?  
Plenty of 6th, 7th, and undrafted players make NFL active rosters. 
There will be numerous FA options better than Bennett that wouldn’t cost a precious draft pick.  

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2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:

We have tons of holes and 6 draft picks. Hard to justify using one on a backup we hope never plays unless it's the last one. The rest need to go to pluggin actual holes.

It doesn’t matter wrt Hooker.  He will be gone by mid 2nd round.  4th is in no way realistic.

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4 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Barkley was our 3rd QB last year. He's a good QB in room but questionable on the field. Bring me Mariota.

Screw up Mariota. He sucks and quit on his team.

8 hours ago, Bocephuz said:

two words

 

Jacoby

 

Brissett

Best answer in this thread. He played really good last year and is a great lockerroom guy. Best chance to win a game if Josh gets hurt and would help in the film room a ton.

4 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

I'd put Trubisky ahead of him, but Wentz has a much better career winning percentage than Brissett or Minshew. 

 

And he has a much better track record of winning the Super Bowl watching from the side lines.  

 

 

Are we really doing winning % for qbs still? Yikes. Wentz got hurt and was so missed, his team won the SB.  Everyone hates him. There’s a reason he’s bouncing around and it’s not about his talent. Dude might be out of the league this year.

12 hours ago, nucci said:

it's being discussed on keenum thread. Why would you want Trubisky back? Did you see him play last season? He was awful

He’s always been awful. Nice guy though. 

12 hours ago, SCBills said:

I'm definitely in Barkley as the PS vet presence and then draft a QB in the mid-late rounds to back up Allen.  

 

Someone like Duggan or Bennett would be fine by me.  As long as we give Allen the OL and weapons we should, a rookie should be able to game manage us to a fighting chance if Allen had to miss a few games. 

 

Bennett would be the oldest guy on the team! 
 

 

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12 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

 WGR was speculating just keep Matt Barkley and then take a late round flyer on a QB…might be a spot for Stetson Bennett like in the 6th 

Nice if he’s still around. Jake Haener from Fresno State in the 7th 🤷🏻‍♂️

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12 hours ago, mannc said:

I must have missed the game(s) this past season where Case Keenum was “awful”.  Please elaborate. 

CK was a very solid back up. He could win a game or two if needed.He’s had a decent career. MB is good guy and did win us a game. But BB wants someone with more of JA’s running skill set. Brissett or MM make sense but probably too much $$$. Draft might be it. 

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Feel like Mayfield gets or competes for a starting job. Wentz either competes or is a bridge QB for a team drafting a rookie QB high.

 

Brissett is by far the best option followed by Rush, Minshew, Mariota, and Bridgewater, in that order imho.
 

QB2 is important for this team, too, with Allen’s style of play plus coming off his UCL injury.

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Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said:

QB2 is important for this team, too, with Allen’s style of play plus coming off his UCL injury.

 

Nah..  We arent doing much without JA if he gets a long term injury...

 

Better off climbing the draft list and getting a decent pick for once if he is really injured...

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Just now, Aussie Joe said:

 

Nah..  We arent doing much without JA if he gets a long term injury...

 

Better off climbing the draft list and getting a decent pick for once if he is really injured...


What about a short to medium term injury? You want a guy who can keep you at least .500 or better so your season isn’t donezo.

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1 minute ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:


What about a short to medium term injury? You want a guy who can keep you at least .500 or better so your season isn’t donezo.

 

They have paid Mitch T and Case $2-3M the last two years.. who do you expect to come here for that money?

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2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

They have paid Mitch T and Case $2-3M the last two years.. who do you expect to come here for that money?


Expect? Kyle Allen.

 

That doesn’t mean I agree with not spending more there. If Spotrac’s market value of $5.4 million for Brissett is correct I’d happily find the extra $2-3M to pay that. 

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Just now, JohnBonhamRocks said:


Expect? Kyle Allen.

 

That doesn’t mean I agree with not spending more there. If Spotrac’s market value of $5.4 million for Brissett is correct I’d happily find the extra $2-3M to pay that. 

 

Will Kyle Allen keep us at 0.500 ?

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16 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Feel like Mayfield gets or competes for a starting job. Wentz either competes or is a bridge QB for a team drafting a rookie QB high.

 

Brissett is by far the best option followed by Rush, Minshew, Mariota, and Bridgewater, in that order imho.
 

QB2 is important for this team, too, with Allen’s style of play plus coming off his UCL injury.

Brissett is going to be paid very well, look at the guys that weren’t as good as him, 5+ a year for back ups, no way we can waste that on a back up.

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3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:


I’d pay $5-6M for him maybe $7M but past that it’s tough to allocate that much money there

 

Its way too much this year... 

 

I wouldnt even be totally surprised if we go with Barkley as the backup in 2023.. 

 

They have very limited money to spend on QB2 this year...

 

They still have to replace Edmonds and Poyer.. Maybe also bring in a cheap RT to put up some type of challenge to Brown...

 

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18 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:


What about a short to medium term injury? You want a guy who can keep you at least .500 or better so your season isn’t donezo.


Totally agree. I say this point as a Bills fan when discussing MVP’s… I love Josh. He is the man but in terms of neutrality, Mahomes edges him due to the accolades and success post-season (Coaching plays a huge part in that). Josh however is undoubtably more valuable to the franchise he plays than most QB’s out there… Without Josh this team is barely scraping 6/7 wins. 
 

Donezo without Josh period. However, you would like to remain competitive to at least stand a chance…

 

What about Minshew? 

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14 hours ago, uticaclub said:

We shouldn't pay anything more than the vet min. It's hard to imagine this team doing anything at all without Allen. Get another lineman or WR and a JAG backup.

Ask polian, you don’t want to lose your job being unprepared.   But the real issue is you don’t want to lose the whole season if Allen is out a half or a game. You owe it to the entire team to be prepared for short term issues with josh. Every team goes down without your 1, except for the amazing 49ers last year with mr irrelevant at qb.   Home field can come down to one game , so if josh is out for just a game or two, your gm better be prepared or you waste another year, millions of $, and its an inexcusable mistake as a gm to think a qb will play every down, every year.   You are paying miller 120 mil $, to win now, not be set up to just blow a year off. 

 

Man, the AFC is murder this year. Mahomes, Burrows,Allen, Rodgers probably (He is stupid coming to this conference), Watson, Jackson, Tua, jimmy G in Los Vegas, Herbert, Russel Wilson in Denver.  This conference is absolutely loaded with qb talent.  Beane cant ignore the backup qb position , again ask polianm who lost his job when manning was out unexpectedly.   I would try to get someone like jocoby brisett if he is free.  He can at least win a couple of games.  Mitch looked really much worse than i ever expected and lost his job to a rookie from PITT!   That’s bad!    Has to be someone , dalton is going to the Panthers , but I don’t think Barkley is enough and if Beane ignores it , you just know it will bite us!  Hey, maybe bring in the qb from the winning team in the xfl, or something creative.  Maybe Matt Ryan would humble himself which might be a decent guy on the sideline as well since the colts cut him. 

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9 hours ago, SoMAn said:

Sounds like you believe 6th (and later) are just throw-a-ways to be used as camp fodder.  Do the names Tom Brady or Terrell Davis ring a bell?  
Plenty of 6th, 7th, and undrafted players make NFL active rosters. 
There will be numerous FA options better than Bennett that wouldn’t cost a precious draft pick.  

You’re giving me two players who checks notes where 6th round picks over 20 years ago 

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7 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

Its way too much this year... 

 

I wouldnt even be totally surprised if we go with Barkley as the backup in 2023.. 

 

They have very limited money to spend on QB2 this year...

 

They still have to replace Edmonds and Poyer.. Maybe also bring in a cheap RT to put up some type of challenge to Brown...

 

The Brown challenge probably is in the draft or on the roster (Tommy Doyle).  Benford replaces Poyer, so long as Dane Jackson returns.  Edmunds replacement probably is in FA.  QB2 is starting to look like Kyle Allen or someone (Mariota, maybe Matt Ryan) willing to work cheap (think $2m/year).  

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On 3/14/2023 at 9:28 AM, boyst said:

I am surprised this is not a conversation already being had because it is an important decision.

 

We have seen next to nothing on links and possibilities. Does anyone have any ideas?

 

I would love to see Mitch cut and come back.

 

Isn't Barkley still under contract with the team ? I would like to see another better QB come in but i would like it to be 1 that is a bit more cap friendly than either Mitch or Case .

 

Is Tyrod available 😎 ??

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On 3/14/2023 at 10:57 AM, 78thealltimegreat said:

 WGR was speculating just keep Matt Barkley and then take a late round flyer on a QB…might be a spot for Stetson Bennett like in the 6th 

Absolutely pass on Bennett. Shame to all who even mention his name and the Bills in the same breath.. 😁

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4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

You’re giving me two players who checks notes where 6th round picks over 20 years ago 

I’m not that into this debate that I’m going to research it, but I’m sure there are plenty of day 3 picks who are tenured on NFL rosters.  Not the 6th round, but just before in round 5 are 2 more recent names you might recognize: Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs. 
Some prospects are late bloomers. Some suffered injuries in college that knocked them down a few notches. Some were in bad systems or small schools. Some needed a higher level of coaching.  Hopefully, our personnel dept will recognize potential that can be developed. 
Bennett doesn’t have the physical traits needed for NFL football. It would be a huge gamble and probably a waste of a draft pick- a valuable commodity when building and maintaining a roster. 

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On 3/14/2023 at 10:28 AM, boyst said:

I am surprised this is not a conversation already being had because it is an important decision.

 

We have seen next to nothing on links and possibilities. Does anyone have any ideas?

 

I would love to see Mitch cut and come back.

Did you not see Trubisky play in Pittsburgh last season? Dude was horrible- hard pass.

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14 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

They have paid Mitch T and Case $2-3M the last two years.. who do you expect to come here for that money?

Mariota was making $3.5 million as a backup to the Raiders, I saw give him a base $3m offer and incentives to earn more based on playing time. 

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