BIGFOOTspaceman Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Just now, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: See if you can somehow work Ertz into the equation, will ya'? Maybe send Arizona a few new video games for Kyler's gaming system. Also, move Tre to Safety and fill his CB role with the embarrassment of riches we have sitting on the bench. My hunch....things about to get real mediocre in Bustalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 5 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: that is if you dump him. You trade it goes to the next team. Now Unless diggs wants out I am not with this but, his cap will follow him No. It is $37.6M if we trade him. If we were to cut him it would be $45.4M in dead cap. Spotrac link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JerseyBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 7 hours ago, billieve420 said: Can’t see them trading their only 1 legit weapon on offense. Unless you have his replacement lined up you have to stick with him. Diggs is an emotional player and I think this little outburst will be forgotten in no time. I don’t have any concerns with Allen and Diggs moving past this. He also bolted from the locker room. I love Diggs and the fire he brings but that's a bit much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 43 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: I would've loved to have had Pacheco and McKinnon in Buffalo's backfield yesterday. why?---so they could combine for 11 carries? they aren't as good as Singletary and Cook anyway. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnaby Wilde Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 You're crazy to trade Diggs. I like the fact that he stood up to Josh Allen. Allen needs to eat it. He needs to hear it from his own. All this talk about well, the dressing room believes in us is no more. Allen has a defector and it's all his own fault for playing like clueless Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 This is the worst Idea ever, i'm sorry but it just is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 55 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: why?---so they could combine for 11 carries? they aren't as good as Singletary and Cook anyway. Agree about the amount of carries. Disagree about being better than Cook/Singletary. I'll take the McKinnon/Pacheco duo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: I could be reading spotrac incorrectly, but it looks like we would trigger 45mm in dead cap by trading Diggs. He is 100% untradeable for that reason alone. Diggs is the same diva he's been all 8 years in the league. We just have to deal with it PS - he's worth the headache I think the 45M is if they cut him. Click the red x on the right. Pre 6/1 trade is 37M and post 6/1 trade is 11.8M dead cap. Post 6/1 is possible but cannot see it happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 hours ago, billieve420 said: Can’t see them trading their only 1 legit weapon on offense. Unless you have his replacement lined up you have to stick with him. Diggs is an emotional player and I think this little outburst will be forgotten in no time. I don’t have any concerns with Allen and Diggs moving past this. 8 hours ago, Jerome007 said: As if Diggs had been anything else but a proven star for all the time he's been here. And him and Josh work great together. Yeah a few average games (mostly because of schemes than his own play) and he should be out? P.S. Keep your current job. We heard this exact same thing last year. Diggs didn't do anything in last year's playoff game against the Chiefs, so we should get rid of him. Stupidity is frightening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Tipster19 said: Can’t have the internal turmoil so either trade Josh, and that’s not going to happen or get rid of Diggs. Shed his contract, get a return in assets, draft pick(s) and/or player(s) and rebuild this offense that is more balanced. Now I don’t fault Diggs for being frustrated but this offense is lopsided and needs to be more reasonable. Earlier in another post I clamored for Texas RB Bijan Robinson and while that may not happen my point is still the same. Provide better playmakers than the ones we have and get some of this pressure off of Josh, it’s too much and teams should not be this reliant on one player. I don’t think it would be that difficult to fix this OL. While better players are needed I believe that they can be obtainable. Kansas City replaced their whole OL in one year and they are doing fine. Make Kromer earn his paycheck with a formidable run game. It looks like there is some significant changes in store for the coaching staff and the roster but have it make sense with a logical strategy and personnel. Tone down this chaotic pass happy offense and get some balance to it. To me some obvious departures would be Frazier, possibly Dorsey, Singletary, Davis and a couple/few OL. I don’t expect Poyer to be back either, we need better speed in the secondary. It’s going to be quite the off season, Beane is going to have his hands full but it’s sorely needed because today was a total embarrassment. How do morons not hear themselves when they say things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 9 hours ago, Tipster19 said: Can’t have the internal turmoil so either trade Josh, and that’s not going to happen or get rid of Diggs. Shed his contract, get a return in assets, draft pick(s) and/or player(s) and rebuild this offense that is more balanced. Now I don’t fault Diggs for being frustrated but this offense is lopsided and needs to be more reasonable. Earlier in another post I clamored for Texas RB Bijan Robinson and while that may not happen my point is still the same. Provide better playmakers than the ones we have and get some of this pressure off of Josh, it’s too much and teams should not be this reliant on one player. I don’t think it would be that difficult to fix this OL. While better players are needed I believe that they can be obtainable. Kansas City replaced their whole OL in one year and they are doing fine. Make Kromer earn his paycheck with a formidable run game. It looks like there is some significant changes in store for the coaching staff and the roster but have it make sense with a logical strategy and personnel. Tone down this chaotic pass happy offense and get some balance to it. To me some obvious departures would be Frazier, possibly Dorsey, Singletary, Davis and a couple/few OL. I don’t expect Poyer to be back either, we need better speed in the secondary. It’s going to be quite the off season, Beane is going to have his hands full but it’s sorely needed because today was a total embarrassment. That's a BRILLIANT idea, getting rid of your second best player on the team. You should become a GM. 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Reverse Meathead said: Allen has a defector and it's all his own fault for playing like clueless Josh. Josh didn't cost the Bills this game. The coaches and the DLine did. I wasn't on board the "fire OC/DC" crowd till yesterday. Now I want them out. Usually, my take is don't get rid of anyone until you find replacements (or enough are available). But this was awful. Losing trust in the coaches is a big no no. If Josh or DIggs have a bad game, or Milano and Miller, hey, they've proven their worth time and time again. When did Dorsey mesmerize with his schemes besides the first few early games? It's almost frustrating seeing the 4-5 easy plays scheming gets the Bengals, Chiefs, 49ers, Rams, etc. while it's seemingly a vanilla offense for the Bills that Josh makes work somehow. The defense has had some games where the scheming worked but how can they never seem to adjust? We all expected the Bills DLine to take advantage of a banged up, already farirly weak Bengals OLine. So no one can fault the initial gameplan. But since the DLine were pushed around like juniors, change it! As for Diggs, I supported all his previous outbursts as it was dumb to not throw to him. He has proven his worth. But yesterday, his timing was awful. A complete meltdown by everyone and he added to it. That game will leave huge scars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Greg Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 GTFO of here with this nonsense. Diggs is the one player on the team who showed heart yesterday. He didn't hang his head and was still trying to win the game in the second half in spite of how bad things were going. Not only is he a top 5 NFL WR, he's one of the few true winners on the squad. We need him and we have to hope the rest of the team stops feeling sorry for themselves when things don't go well like he does. Sack the F up and play ball like a professional, like Stefon Diggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, BarleyNY said: And only $37.6M in dead cap…….plus the cost of his replacement. Details, shmetails. The important thing is to have huge reaction quickly. 35 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Josh didn't cost the Bills this game. The coaches and the DLine did. I wasn't on board the "fire OC/DC" crowd till yesterday. Now I want them out. Usually, my take is don't get rid of anyone until you find replacements (or enough are available). But this was awful. Losing trust in the coaches is a big no no. If Josh or DIggs have a bad game, or Milano and Miller, hey, they've proven their worth time and time again. When did Dorsey mesmerize with his schemes besides the first few early games? It's almost frustrating seeing the 4-5 easy plays scheming gets the Bengals, Chiefs, 49ers, Rams, etc. while it's seemingly a vanilla offense for the Bills that Josh makes work somehow. The defense has had some games where the scheming worked but how can they never seem to adjust? We all expected the Bills DLine to take advantage of a banged up, already farirly weak Bengals OLine. So no one can fault the initial gameplan. But since the DLine were pushed around like juniors, change it! As for Diggs, I supported all his previous outbursts as it was dumb to not throw to him. He has proven his worth. But yesterday, his timing was awful. A complete meltdown by everyone and he added to it. That game will leave huge scars. Please, the coaches and the DLine didn't cost the Bills this game. Everyone did. Allen did. And the rest of the offense. And the defense. And the special teams. And the coaches. Everyone. Certainly the coaches and the DL had their part, but so did everyone else, every single person. Sparing the offense that scored ten points? Ridiculous. Only guy that came out of that mess looking good was DaQuan Jones, as we found out what life looks like without him. Edited January 23, 2023 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutOfBubbleGum Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I'll take an emotional fired up Diggs, or Dorsey for that matter, because it means they want to win. We want winners. If anybody was alright with losing, cut those people now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJGauna Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Trade Diggs and focus on the run? That didn't work out too well for the Titans GM lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 This team would not be in the playoffs without Diggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 That’s the tipster we all know and love!! Welcome back!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Tipster19 said: Can’t have the internal turmoil so either trade Josh, and that’s not going to happen or get rid of Diggs. Shed his contract, get a return in assets, draft pick(s) and/or player(s) and rebuild this offense that is more balanced. Now I don’t fault Diggs for being frustrated but this offense is lopsided and needs to be more reasonable. Earlier in another post I clamored for Texas RB Bijan Robinson and while that may not happen my point is still the same. Provide better playmakers than the ones we have and get some of this pressure off of Josh, it’s too much and teams should not be this reliant on one player. I don’t think it would be that difficult to fix this OL. While better players are needed I believe that they can be obtainable. Kansas City replaced their whole OL in one year and they are doing fine. Make Kromer earn his paycheck with a formidable run game. It looks like there is some significant changes in store for the coaching staff and the roster but have it make sense with a logical strategy and personnel. Tone down this chaotic pass happy offense and get some balance to it. To me some obvious departures would be Frazier, possibly Dorsey, Singletary, Davis and a couple/few OL. I don’t expect Poyer to be back either, we need better speed in the secondary. It’s going to be quite the off season, Beane is going to have his hands full but it’s sorely needed because today was a total embarrassment. You know what? I bet Josh and Diggs are already over it. I suggest you try to do the same. Calling to break up one of the best QB-WR tandems in football isn't it. Edited January 23, 2023 by Billz4ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, Draconator said: There's been talk of this. Reported here... Man, I love you!!!!! Edited January 23, 2023 by Sherlock Holmes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Man, I love you!!!!! Right back at ya baby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Let’s make Josh a fullback! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipster19 Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 It’s good to see that there’s still some kind of fight left in Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 That’s right trade a HOF receiver with our incredible QB breaking NFL passing records,and then pay up your rear end for a different number one receiver. Then go back to a traditional run heavy attack with the same great throwing QB. What is this football in the 30s. Contact me when your medication runs out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 13 hours ago, BarleyNY said: And only $37.6M in dead cap…….plus the cost of his replacement. Thank you for and from the actual adults in the room!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 12 hours ago, Big Blitz said: We’ll have the money because I’m not resigning Poyer or Oliver. That does nothing to provide the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said: I think the 45M is if they cut him. Click the red x on the right. Pre 6/1 trade is 37M and post 6/1 trade is 11.8M dead cap. Post 6/1 is possible but cannot see it happening. Very important to remember that a post 6/1 cut or trade only spreads the dead cap out over two seasons. The total dead cap is the same. In Diggs’ case a pre 6/1 trade would incur a dead cap of $37.6M in 2023. A post 6/1 trade would incur dead cap hits of $11.9M in 2023 plus $25.7M in 2024. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 14 hours ago, Tipster19 said: Can’t have the internal turmoil so either trade Josh, and that’s not going to happen or get rid of Diggs. Shed his contract, get a return in assets, draft pick(s) and/or player(s) and rebuild this offense that is more balanced. Now I don’t fault Diggs for being frustrated but this offense is lopsided and needs to be more reasonable. Earlier in another post I clamored for Texas RB Bijan Robinson and while that may not happen my point is still the same. Provide better playmakers than the ones we have and get some of this pressure off of Josh, it’s too much and teams should not be this reliant on one player. I don’t think it would be that difficult to fix this OL. While better players are needed I believe that they can be obtainable. Kansas City replaced their whole OL in one year and they are doing fine. Make Kromer earn his paycheck with a formidable run game. It looks like there is some significant changes in store for the coaching staff and the roster but have it make sense with a logical strategy and personnel. Tone down this chaotic pass happy offense and get some balance to it. To me some obvious departures would be Frazier, possibly Dorsey, Singletary, Davis and a couple/few OL. I don’t expect Poyer to be back either, we need better speed in the secondary. It’s going to be quite the off season, Beane is going to have his hands full but it’s sorely needed because today was a total embarrassment. Unless they are trading for another #1 this would a crazy suggestion for league that focuses on passing the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Maybe we can trade Diggs to UT for Bijan Robinson and their 2024 recruiting class? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murdox Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Good grief, what an over-reaction. The media has really pushed the narrative that Diggs suddenly doesn't like Allen and they will never get along again. I'm sure things will be fine. Did anyone see a physical altercation on the sidelines? Give it a rest. Diggs is just being Diggs and trying to light a fire among other things. Not a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I'd probably try to find someone worth ***** at #2 before I considered dumping my best offensive player.... and one of the few who was fiercely angry about that "performance" yesterday.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, BarleyNY said: Very important to remember that a post 6/1 cut or trade only spreads the dead cap out over two seasons. The total dead cap is the same. In Diggs’ case a pre 6/1 trade would incur a dead cap of $37.6M in 2023. A post 6/1 trade would incur dead cap hits of $11.9M in 2023 plus $25.7M in 2024. That is important! Not gonna happen though either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Great thinking. Get rid of our only consistent and productive WR. Let's not stop there... Trade Knox and Allen and we can run the Wildcat 100% of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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