KDIGGZ Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Well that was a punch in the gut, a real dose of reality. Completely outplayed start to finish. The offensive and defensive game plan for this game was embarrassing. Not to mention McDermott has shown to be a terrible game manager with the game on the line. How many years are we going to put up with this? We are wasting Josh Allen's talent. No other top QB has a good defense like we do and the COACHES have blown it year after year. You can love this team and totally disagree with what the coaches are doing. Before the game Leslie Fraser was asked if he would do anything different this game based on how bad they looked at the start of the last game vs Cinci and he said no they will do what got them there. You mean the same defense that made Skylar Thompson look like a pro bowler? 3rd a 4 and they are 10 yards off the receivers? And on offense 3rd and short and they are throwing 40 yard bombs. Insanity. I don't think we have the coaches we need to get over the hump and this was the reality check we needed to have some really tough discussions this off-season and going forward. We are all happy to finally have a team that's a perennial playoff team but that's all they will ever be with this coaching staff. 4 3 4 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I’ve been fighting that fight for two years on this forum. There are many people here who downvote ANY post that is critical, even when it is factual. And they attack you. And report your posts. It’s frustrating. 9 1 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Well that was a punch in the gut, a real dose of reality. Completely outplayed start to finish. The offensive and defensive game plan for this game was embarrassing. Not to mention McDermott has shown to be a terrible game manager with the game on the line. How many years are we going to put up with this? We are wasting Josh Allen's talent. No other top QB has a good defense like we do and the COACHES have blown it year after year. You can love this team and totally disagree with what the coaches are doing. Before the game Leslie Fraser was asked if he would do anything different this game based on how bad they looked at the start of the last game vs Cinci and he said no they will do what got them there. You mean the same defense that made Skylar Thompson look like a pro bowler? 3rd a 4 and they are 10 yards off the receivers? And on offense 3rd and short and they are throwing 40 yard bombs. Insanity. I don't think we have the coaches we need to get over the hump and this was the reality check we needed to have some really tough discussions this off-season and going forward. We are all happy to finally have a team that's a perennial playoff team but that's all they will ever be with this coaching staff. Get an actual DC like Fangio in here and watch as all the talent that this board rips on light it up. Frazier doesn't know how to use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieldGeneral Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Ding Ding Ding. Sure, nobody likes someone who complains all the time, but you cannot look passed where a team struggles. OK, cool, we squeaked by and won some close games, but this team is what it is. Relies too heavily on 1 player. Did you see what happened when Buffalo thought they can slow down Burrow? They ran the ball. Stop ignoring blatant holes on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Well that was a punch in the gut, a real dose of reality. Completely outplayed start to finish. The offensive and defensive game plan for this game was embarrassing. Not to mention McDermott has shown to be a terrible game manager with the game on the line. How many years are we going to put up with this? We are wasting Josh Allen's talent. No other top QB has a good defense like we do and the COACHES have blown it year after year. You can love this team and totally disagree with what the coaches are doing. Before the game Leslie Fraser was asked if he would do anything different this game based on how bad they looked at the start of the last game vs Cinci and he said no they will do what got them there. You mean the same defense that made Skylar Thompson look like a pro bowler? 3rd a 4 and they are 10 yards off the receivers? And on offense 3rd and short and they are throwing 40 yard bombs. Insanity. I don't think we have the coaches we need to get over the hump and this was the reality check we needed to have some really tough discussions this off-season and going forward. We are all happy to finally have a team that's a perennial playoff team but that's all they will ever be with this coaching staff. I totally agree, the Frazier defense has run its course and we are now wasting Allen's prime years. Time for a new DC 💯. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I am grateful for McDermott turning around the franchise, but I don't see him ever coaching a team to a title. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 @Logic @eball @PromoTheRobot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gflande1 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 3 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Get an actual DC like Fangio in here and watch as all the talent that this board rips on light it up. Frazier doesn't know how to use it. As long as McD keeps his hands off. Isnt this D a blend of Fraziers and McD? How do we know all of the blame should be on Frazier? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) The Bengals are a difficult matchup for this team. Scheme, philosophy, and plus top-notch execution by the Bengals did that today. Love our Bills, yet in both an honest and factual statement, the road to return with free agents, Josh's salary, and some poor coaching and execution makes for a tough road. Doable...yes...but the past three seasons have had windows open that don't open often. Edited January 22, 2023 by Wizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo ill Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 I know the defense sucked, but the offense got shut down at home. Pathetic. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stosh64 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Time for Fraser to go, I would be fine letting Dorsey go as well, where was our run game today?? Our RB's had 11 carries. Beane has his work cut out for himself. OL and receivers. Get Josh some ******* weapons and protect his ass. I have had enough of the nice LT we have as well, maybe he could go RT and draft a nasty pit bull to dominate our futures blind side. I'm not surprised by todays outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 The cheerleaders think if they can shout down any criticism that it somehow helps the team. It's bizarre. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Attention dbags on their high horses: you can ***** off for about a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, Einstein said: I’ve been fighting that fight for two years on this forum. There are many people here who downvote ANY post that is critical, even when it is factual. And they attack you. And report your posts. It’s frustrating. I have been attacked and insulted , by certain high ups you would expect better from. Just for voicing an opinion or discussing one from content creators. It is cancel culture gone wild as you can’t even present thoughts. I agree. It never use to be like that here. The epidemic behavior carried over. Best wishes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 19 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Well that was a punch in the gut, a real dose of reality. Completely outplayed start to finish. The offensive and defensive game plan for this game was embarrassing. Not to mention McDermott has shown to be a terrible game manager with the game on the line. How many years are we going to put up with this? We are wasting Josh Allen's talent. No other top QB has a good defense like we do and the COACHES have blown it year after year. You can love this team and totally disagree with what the coaches are doing. Before the game Leslie Fraser was asked if he would do anything different this game based on how bad they looked at the start of the last game vs Cinci and he said no they will do what got them there. You mean the same defense that made Skylar Thompson look like a pro bowler? 3rd a 4 and they are 10 yards off the receivers? And on offense 3rd and short and they are throwing 40 yard bombs. Insanity. I don't think we have the coaches we need to get over the hump and this was the reality check we needed to have some really tough discussions this off-season and going forward. We are all happy to finally have a team that's a perennial playoff team but that's all they will ever be with this coaching staff. Most of the homers you are trying to reach in your message are LONG GONE from this place right now. They always abandon the ship when things don't go well. They'll start to show up again probably around Tuesday or Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, stosh64 said: Time for Fraser to go, I would be fine letting Dorsey go as well, where was our run game today?? Our RB's had 11 carries. Beane has his work cut out for himself. OL and receivers. Get Josh some ******* weapons and protect his ass. I have had enough of the nice LT we have as well, maybe he could go RT and draft a nasty pit bull to dominate our futures blind side. I'm not surprised by todays outcome. Frazier can totally go. Dorsey, as a first time OC, can build upon this and I'd be fine if he's back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Is this about Zach Ertz…..again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfanatic8989 Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Wizard said: The Bengals are a difficult matchup for this team. Scheme, philosophy plus top-notch execution did that today. Love our Bills, yet in both an honest and factual statement, the road to return with free agents, Josh's salary, and some poor coaching and execution makes for a touch road. Doable...yes...but the past three seasons have had windows open that don't open often. The Bengals are a difficult matchup for KC and Baltimore too. And other teams. We have things to clean up. But Cincinnati is a great team. And as much as I hate to admit it, they may be better than us right now. We need a #2 receiver. Some help on OL. RB. And a different approach on D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 10 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Well that was a punch in the gut, a real dose of reality. Completely outplayed start to finish. The offensive and defensive game plan for this game was embarrassing. Not to mention McDermott has shown to be a terrible game manager with the game on the line. How many years are we going to put up with this? We are wasting Josh Allen's talent. No other top QB has a good defense like we do and the COACHES have blown it year after year. You can love this team and totally disagree with what the coaches are doing. Before the game Leslie Fraser was asked if he would do anything different this game based on how bad they looked at the start of the last game vs Cinci and he said no they will do what got them there. You mean the same defense that made Skylar Thompson look like a pro bowler? 3rd a 4 and they are 10 yards off the receivers? And on offense 3rd and short and they are throwing 40 yard bombs. Insanity. I don't think we have the coaches we need to get over the hump and this was the reality check we needed to have some really tough discussions this off-season and going forward. We are all happy to finally have a team that's a perennial playoff team but that's all they will ever be with this coaching staff. Not winning with this Defense, coaching staff and players included. Frazier is too stuck in his ways to ever adjust. Dorsey is probably just in over his head and was put in a position he just wasn't ready for. He doesn't seem to have a grasp of situational football and repeatedly makes poor calls for the down and distance. McD, while an awesome guy, probably just isn't a SB caliber coach. I don't see how Beane can justify the resources they've poured into this defense to continually get the collapses we see every year in the postseason. Even with Von, the Bills are not winning the game today. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinceThe70s Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 2 minutes ago, QCity said: The cheerleaders think if they can shout down any criticism that it somehow helps the team. It's bizarre. Isn't the opposite equally true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 McD can bring in someone else to run his defense, but it can also be someone who is more aggressive and adjustable. It's entirely possible. I don't know who can do it, but I'm sure there's someone out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 But...but...hey, we were 14-3, right? I mean, that's what I kept being told. There can't be any problems because we're 12-3, 13-3, etc... How did that work out? 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Time to bring Rex back as the DC this go-around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 Just now, Billsfanatic8989 said: The Bengals are a difficult matchup for KC and Baltimore too. And other teams. We have things to clean up. But Cincinnati is a great team. And as much as I hate to admit it, they may be better than us right now. We need a #2 receiver. Some help on OL. RB. And a different approach on D. Getting absolutely dominated by a Cincy O-line that was down 3 starters was it for me with Frazier and the underachievers we have on this D-Line. Never winning a Championship with that. Von or no Von. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 1 minute ago, Billz4ever said: Getting absolutely dominated by a Cincy O-line that was down 3 starters was it for me with Frazier and the underachievers we have on this D-Line. Never winning a Championship with that. Von or no Von. Doubt Von would have put us over the hump today. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: @Logic @eball @PromoTheRobot I have been critical of various aspects of this team many times in the past. I have also been critical of the fans who are ONLY ever critical of this team. Sometimes the play of the team calls for praise and optimism. Sometimes it calls for critique and pessimism. Given that the've won the division three years in a row and generally been one of the best teams in the league, I've been optimistic far more often than I've been pessimistic. Even then, if you'd actually taken the time to read my recent posts, you'd have seen me offering criticism toward Josh Allen, Ken Dorsey, and Brandon Beane as recently as this week. I think there's a big gap between "being critical of this team but still loving them" and "being EXCLUSIVELY critical of this team". There are some posters on this forum that I rarely EVER see a positive word from. There's realism, optimism, and pessimism. I admittedly fall on the "optimism" side of the spectrum quite often. Maybe too often. On the other hand, some posters here fall on the "pessimism" side the VAST majority of the time. I find their pessimism just as exhausting as they find my optimism. I guess we'll just have to continue not caring much for each other and arguing about it on the internet. Edited January 22, 2023 by Logic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: @Logic @eball @PromoTheRobot You rang? 3 minutes ago, Logic said: I have been critical of various aspects of this team many times in the past. I have also been critical of the fans who are ONLY ever critical of this team. Sometimes the play of the team calls for praise and optimism. Sometimes it calls for critique and pessimism. Given that the've won the division three years in a row and generally been one of the best teams in the league, I've been optimistic far more often than I've been pessimistic. Even then, if you'd actually taken the time to read my recent posts, you'd have seen me offering criticism toward Josh Allen, Ken Dorsey, and Brandon Beane as recently as this week. I think there's a big gap between "being critical of this team but still loving them" and "being EXCLUSIVELY critical of this team". There are some posters on this forum that I rarely EVER see a positive word from. There's realism, optimism, and pessimism. I admittedly fall on the "optimism" side of the spectrum quite often. Maybe too often. On the other hand, some posters here fall on the "pessimism" side the VAST majority of the time. I find their pessimism just as exhausting as they find my optimism. I guess we'll just have to continue not caring much for each other and arguing about it on the internet. How does this fan base put up with a 14-4 team? I guess the Purge is on now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 14 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Doubt Von would have put us over the hump today. Nope, not at all. Probably a marginal difference at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Doubt Von would have put us over the hump today. Offense scored 10 points. We weren't beating the Jets with Zack Wilson today 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Well that was a punch in the gut, a real dose of reality. Completely outplayed start to finish. The offensive and defensive game plan for this game was embarrassing. Not to mention McDermott has shown to be a terrible game manager with the game on the line. How many years are we going to put up with this? We are wasting Josh Allen's talent. No other top QB has a good defense like we do and the COACHES have blown it year after year. You can love this team and totally disagree with what the coaches are doing. Before the game Leslie Fraser was asked if he would do anything different this game based on how bad they looked at the start of the last game vs Cinci and he said no they will do what got them there. You mean the same defense that made Skylar Thompson look like a pro bowler? 3rd a 4 and they are 10 yards off the receivers? And on offense 3rd and short and they are throwing 40 yard bombs. Insanity. I don't think we have the coaches we need to get over the hump and this was the reality check we needed to have some really tough discussions this off-season and going forward. We are all happy to finally have a team that's a perennial playoff team but that's all they will ever be with this coaching staff. You are exactly right changes have to be made or the same things are going to keep happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I've been pretty positive about this team through the years but I'm done with it. We're wasting prime years of Josh. We're a lot closer to being a wild card team than we are a contender. Time for some fresh blood on the defensive side of the ball. Everything has to be on the table including mcD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 20 minutes ago, LeGOATski said: McD can bring in someone else to run his defense, but it can also be someone who is more aggressive and adjustable. It's entirely possible. I don't know who can do it, but I'm sure there's someone out there. McD can go, he dropped the ball with 13 seconds and got blown out by a team starting thrift store linemen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, BruceVilanch said: I've been pretty positive about this team through the years but I'm done with it. We're wasting prime years of Josh. We're a lot closer to being a wild card team than we are a contender. Time for some fresh blood on the defensive side of the ball. Everything has to be on the table including mcD Let’s be honest here….if McD was let go right now…would anyone really care? I wouldn’t. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I got killed by several posters for saying the same thing. You know who u are, we are just not that good and McDermott may not be the answer fellas. And before you say it, I know he takes us to the playoffs. F*** that, I want a Super Bowl and I don’t know if he is the right guy to do that. Ok go ahead, tell me how wrong I am!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsfan1972 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Sorry haven't read all the comments, but this is what TSW is all about. Homers. Go against McD and you're a pariah (and don't know football to boot). For 8 wins, I was saying there is something off and the response was "Just Win Baby" & "Scoreboard". Sure they came out flat and down 14-0. Burrow was making easy passes and chunk runs as well by Mixon. But somehow 14-7 and then again a long drive, but lucky and only a FG. 2 minutes and the ball to start the third. Move the ball then bad calls and no points. Third quarter have first and goal and three lousy pays. Anyone here name one play call the entire game where the Bills drew up a good one? Yes us "naysayers" have our day, and trust me not a single one of us is happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Super Fan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Exactly I follow everything in Buffalo sports wise I mean everything and I am critical. I want Reggie Witherspoon the Griffs basketball coach fired along with UB Bulls basketball coach Jim Whitesell fired. So if I am critical of wanting to fire a $300,000 plus Griffs basketball coach of course I want to fire a multi millionaire head Buffalo Bills coach who failed to deliver. I have been critical of the Buffalo Bills for 48 years and counting. Only winners get praise from BSF. I am a huge fan of John Tavares of the Buffalo Bandits he won 4 championships for Buffalo. I am not thrilled with him right now losing to that sorry Rochester Knighthawks team Friday night. I want to put a paper bag on by head to hide the shame of my Bandits losing to Rochester. Sell the Bandits Terry Pegula you bum. You can be a super Buffalo sports fan and be critical it is called wanting excellence. Not forever mediocrity or worse losing in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) You can also be critical without over exaggerating the actual criticism. The people who are reasonable don't have problems giving critical thoughts so if what you are saying isn't being taken seriously then maybe consider it might be a you problem. Try crying less when upset and see how that works. Edited January 23, 2023 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I am good with criticism so long as it is not stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Einstein said: I’ve been fighting that fight for two years on this forum. There are many people here who downvote ANY post that is critical, even when it is factual. And they attack you. And report your posts. It’s frustrating. With each failed defensive exit, Sean the pied piper will lose supporters. It will take some longer than others to realize this. Losing a 16-0 lead in Houston pissed me off. Then 13 seconds should've gotten someone on defense fired. Today the whole team (especially the D) was flat and unprepared. Maybe having Damar in the locker room was a bad idea? There's alot to like about McDermott away from a football field. But when kickoff starts, he terrifies me. Edited January 23, 2023 by LABILLBACKER 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 hour ago, stosh64 said: Time for Fraser to go, I would be fine letting Dorsey go as well, where was our run game today?? Our RB's had 11 carries. Beane has his work cut out for himself. OL and receivers. Get Josh some ******* weapons and protect his ass. I have had enough of the nice LT we have as well, maybe he could go RT and draft a nasty pit bull to dominate our futures blind side. I'm not surprised by todays outcome. Yeah, I’ve heard so many times that Singletary is a beast 😂😂😂😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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