Will DeAndre Hopkins be available this offseason?

[mrags]

9 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

We drafted a WR in the later part of the draft for 3 consecutive seasons... That's not the answer, we need a bonafide WR on a cost controlled contract, that can be better than Gabe Davis and in 4 or 5 years possibly surplant Diggs.

It sure seems to be trending that way.... I like many others don't understand the lack of real investment to the Offense. I understand bringing in camp bodies and competition but nobody we brought in this FA are viewed as difference makers IMO.

Maybe they'll pick up some top O players in rounds #1 and #2...

I’d put a paycheck on then drafting defense in Rd1. It’s their thing. Plus it’s where they see significant holes right now. 
 

we’re completely wasting Joshs prime years. At some point it’s going to be too late. Personally, I fear that at the end of his contract he will be done here. I really hope not. Would be nice to watch him play more than 1 season in the stadium that he built. 

[ShakAttack]

Even though we were advised to not expect it before free agency started, I think the arms race in the AFC East has all of us expecting the big "splash" acquisition and if we do not get it, I do believe TBD will implode.  There is no sugar coating it; this has been the most frustrating off-season the Beane/Mcdermott era so far.  We have been teased by multiple big names and none have panned out for us. 

 

We need to give Allen another legitimate weapon on offense because it is not a stretch to predict the Jets, Dolphins and Pats could ALL have Top 10 defenses next season (Jets & Pats already do and  Dolphins have the talent ).   If it isn't DHop, it has to be SOMEONE better than Davis.  And for the record, I would give up a 2nd for Dhop in a heartbeat.  I don't know why everyone gets so stuck on these defined values for draft picks.    Hopkins gives us a MUCH better chance to WIN NOW than a late 2nd rounder will at least 90% of the time.  And isn't "winning" the only thing that matters at the end of the day?    Who cares if we are giving up a late 2nd instead of a late 3rd if the guy makes our passing game much harder to defend and puts us back over the top in a division where you've got at LEAST 2 teams with top tier DBs on paper.   In other words, we need a pair of top tier WRs to match.

 

Mcdermott &  Beane tell us "we don't want Allen to run as much anymore".   Okay, so then, help Allen help himself if you want that to change.

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, BobBelcher said:

Even though we were advised to not expect it before free agency started, I think the arms race in the AFC East has all of us expecting the big "splash" acquisition and if we do not get it, I do believe TBD will implode.  There is no sugar coating it; this has been the most frustrating off-season the Beane/Mcdermott era so far.  We have been teased by multiple big names and none have panned out for us. 

 

We need to give Allen another legitimate weapon on offense because it is not a stretch to predict the Jets, Dolphins and Pats could ALL have Top 10 defenses next season (Jets & Pats already do and  Dolphins have the talent ).   If it isn't DHop, it has to be SOMEONE better than Davis.  And for the record, I would give up a 2nd for Dhop in a heartbeat.  I don't know why everyone gets so stuck on these defined values for draft picks.    Hopkins gives us a MUCH better chance to WIN NOW than a late 2nd rounder will at least 90% of the time.  And isn't "winning" the only thing that matters at the end of the day?    Who cares if we are giving up a late 2nd instead of a late 3rd if the guy makes our passing game much harder to defend and puts us back over the top in a division where you've got at LEAST 2 teams with top tier DBs on paper.   In other words, we need a pair of top tier WRs to match.

 

Mcdermott &  Beane tell us "we don't want Allen to run as much anymore".   Okay, so then, help Allen help himself if you want that to change.

The folks who are against it point not so much to draft compensation as the long-term implications of acquiring his enormous contract. The Cardinals are trading him (if they are) to get rid of it, and so are not inclined apparently to absorb much of his salary. There are also those who point to his age and recent injury history and wonder how much availability you are actually looking at as well as the possibility his production may drop significantly considering his age. None of those concerns are irrational. I am still on the side of gambling on DHop if a reasonable deal can be made. The newbie AZ GM may not be willing to play ball.

[Low Positive]

Brandon Beane doesn’t care about winning next season. Last year he went all in and failed. This year, our division rivals are going all in and we’re making marginal improvements. I’m usually a very positive poster, but the whole world can see that the Bills need improved at the WR position and Beane shuffled the deck chairs on a sinking ship. And this year’s draft doesn’t have a star at WR. I don’t see a positive outcome here.

[TOboy]

7 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Brandon Beane doesn’t care about winning next season. Last year he went all in and failed. This year, our division rivals are going all in and we’re making marginal improvements. I’m usually a very positive poster, but the whole world can see that the Bills need improved at the WR position and Beane shuffled the deck chairs on a sinking ship. And this year’s draft doesn’t have a star at WR. I don’t see a positive outcome here.

Nothing has happened yet. Breath. 

[Roundybout]

9 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Brandon Beane doesn’t care about winning next season. Last year he went all in and failed. This year, our division rivals are going all in and we’re making marginal improvements. I’m usually a very positive poster, but the whole world can see that the Bills need improved at the WR position and Beane shuffled the deck chairs on a sinking ship. And this year’s draft doesn’t have a star at WR. I don’t see a positive outcome here.

 

Yes, the general manager of an NFL team doesn't care about winning and is happy to put his feet up and let it all burn. 

 

I'm frustrated too but come on. 

[Virgil]

9 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

First off, old Timmy looks like crap.

 

Second, I'm starting to think he enjoys crapping on the fans

[Buffalo03]

14 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Brandon Beane doesn’t care about winning next season. Last year he went all in and failed. This year, our division rivals are going all in and we’re making marginal improvements. I’m usually a very positive poster, but the whole world can see that the Bills need improved at the WR position and Beane shuffled the deck chairs on a sinking ship. And this year’s draft doesn’t have a star at WR. I don’t see a positive outcome here.

I agree. He's probably got his legs up on his desk eating a can of Pringles every day. McDermott walked in to him last week and said "hey, how about calling the Cardinals about Hopkins?" Beane said "who? I never heard of him. But here, can you take this $2 and run down to the vending machine and get me a Twix? I'm reading a good article about fixing the siding on my house right now". 

 

Get rid of him

Edited March 28, 2023 by Buffalo03

[TheBeaneBandit]

18 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

First off, old Timmy looks like crap.

 

Second, I'm starting to think he enjoys crapping on the fans

He looks a bit like Walter White in that pic😆

[BuffaloBaumer]

I am fine with this..hopefully a receiver they really like drops to them or they can figure out a Jeudy trade on draft day.

[Royale with Cheese]

53 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I often agree with you. I like your fundamental optimism, but I do not believe that most of those with more negative views believe we are not good. I think the consensus is we are not good enough, which is different. There is concern that the draft will largely be devoted to the D and needed upgrades on offense are going to be confined to later draft picks and the modest, albeit possibly astute signings we already know about.

 

When I said many, I didn't mean majority.  When I mean not good, I don't mean non playoff.  Not good as in not true contenders but we still are.

When Von comes back, I expect our DL to be very good again.  It's disappointing that we under perform when he's out but when he's in, he makes a significant difference.  That changes everything, along with I don't expect 3/4 of our secondary out for more than 50% of the year.  

 

But yeah we need help at WR.  I would like another RT but we'll see.  

 

We are still up there with the Bengals and Chiefs.  

[Buffalo03]

I do think Hopkins is getting traded this offseason. I do think the Cardinals price is gonna come down. And I don't think the list is very long. So I still think we have good odds to make this happen. The reports about the Falcons, Raiders and Patriots don't make any sense. Not saying that they aren't interested but now that Hopkins has been given permission from the Cardinals to talk contract with other teams, I can't see Dhop wanting anything to do with those teams. In the end I think it does come down to us and KC. So we will see

Edited March 28, 2023 by Buffalo03

[Royale with Cheese]

56 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

No 

everyone recognizes that we are good as long as Allen plays at a high level 

 

what people are asking is when is “good” not going to be the standard… at what point should we expect a Super Bowl from beane and Sean. When 

 

Every Super Bowl contending team are as good as their franchise QB.  

 

We expect a Super Bowl now and we are contenders.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Beane can’t close. The new Darcy Regier.

Edited March 28, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[mrags]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Every Super Bowl contending team are as good as their franchise QB.  

 

We expect a Super Bowl now and we are contenders.  

I 100% agree with this. As long as 17 is manning the helm we have a legit shot. 

[drummernut74]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Beane can’t close. The new Darcy Regier.

"We need to be patient" LOL!!

Edited March 28, 2023 by drummernut74

[Roundybout]

 

[mrags]

1 minute ago, drummernut74 said:

"We need to be patient" LOL!!

“Trust the process” 

[mjt328]

1 hour ago, Jerboski said:

No 

everyone recognizes that we are good as long as Allen plays at a high level 

 

what people are asking is when is “good” not going to be the standard… at what point should we expect a Super Bowl from beane and Sean. When 

 

Josh Allen gives us an advantage over teams without franchise QBs.

 

He does not give us an advantage over Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow.

He does not give us an advantage over Aaron Rodgers, if he returns to 2020-2021 form.

If Tua stays healthy and takes another step in his development, he does not give us a significant advantage over him either.

 

In the NFC, having someone like Allen would put us in the Super Bowl conversation without question.  In the AFC East, it's going to come down to the supporting roster.  And in my opinion, the Bills are slipping further behind with each passing week.

 

[LEBills]

Just now, Roundybout said:

 

You know you hate the Chiefs when this guy using an exclamation point to end his sentence annoys you.

[Dr. Who]

4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

When I said many, I didn't mean majority.  When I mean not good, I don't mean non playoff.  Not good as in not true contenders but we still are.

When Von comes back, I expect our DL to be very good again.  It's disappointing that we under perform when he's out but when he's in, he makes a significant difference.  That changes everything, along with I don't expect 3/4 of our secondary out for more than 50% of the year.  

 

But yeah we need help at WR.  I would like another RT but we'll see.  

 

We are still up there with the Bengals and Chiefs.  

You may be right. What I see is an increasingly competitive AFC. Our division is tough. The Jets D is good and if they get Rodgers, they should be more competitive than last year when they already gave us problems. The Phins have a lot of talent, though ultimately, Josh Allen remains the best qb and that normally is the trump card. I think the Bengals and Chiefs are slightly ahead of us. The Chiefs suffered some free agent losses, but Mahomes, Kelce, and Andy Reid are cheat codes on offense in a league that favors offense. Cincy in the short term at least has two number one wrs and solid coaching. I think we need an early oline pick, I'd prefer RT so we are not counting on a rebound year from Brown (great if if happens), a better WR2, and TE2 to make 12 personnel a real option. I would make offense the priority this offseason. 

 

I expect defense will get the bulk of the early picks. I'm not sold on our coaches. Too many failures in the post-season. You might have Marty Schottenheimer or Marvin Lewis. But not sold does not mean I think they can't do it. They might, but for me it's an open question. There is not enough history of success to vanquish uncertainty. And Dorsey needs a leap year of growth. The numbers were not terrible, but he did not utilize the talent sufficiently. Some of that is injuries and a porous oline, but not all of it.

[Jerboski]

1 minute ago, mjt328 said:

 

Josh Allen gives us an advantage over teams without franchise QBs.

 

He does not give us an advantage over Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow.

He does not give us an advantage over Aaron Rodgers, if he returns to 2020-2021 form.

If Tua stays healthy and takes another step in his development, he does not give us a significant advantage over him either.

 

In the NFC, having someone like Allen would put us in the Super Bowl conversation without question.  In the AFC East, it's going to come down to the supporting roster.  And in my opinion, the Bills are slipping further behind with each passing week.

 

I agree and I’m gonna laugh when beane takes a middle linebacker with the first pick 

 

Sean keeps feeding him that we need defense, and it’s crazy… draft a RT or receiver, period! This defense gets cooked every year in the playoffs, every time 

[drummernut74]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

“Trust the process” 

"The Bottomless Rabbit Hole"

Edited March 28, 2023 by drummernut74

[Jerboski]

6 minutes ago, mrags said:

I 100% agree with this. As long as 17 is manning the helm we have a legit shot. 

Not if they don’t start doing a much better job managing this roster around him and finding coaches who don’t ***** themselves in the playoffs 

 

sean has been outcoached thoroughly in the playoffs 

 

[SCBills]

So... Bills and Chiefs are both reportedly out on Hopkins.  

 

Either this is all posturing or the Cardinals GM just learned a tough lesson in NFL negotiating. 

[mrags]

5 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

Not if they don’t start doing a much better job managing this roster around him and finding coaches who don’t ***** themselves in the playoffs 

 

sean has been outcoached thoroughly in the playoffs 

 

You are 100% in this. But Josh is one of the best players in the game and he is the one that is responsible for our success majority speaking. I’m not saying we will be in the SB window forever with him at the helm. But the fact is, as long as 17 is here and healthy, we have a shot at it every year. 
 

but yes, coaching has lost us important games. Especially when they matter most. 

[Nextmanup]

14 minutes ago, mjt328 said:

 

Josh Allen gives us an advantage over teams without franchise QBs.

 

He does not give us an advantage over Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow.

He does not give us an advantage over Aaron Rodgers, if he returns to 2020-2021 form.

If Tua stays healthy and takes another step in his development, he does not give us a significant advantage over him either.

 

In the NFC, having someone like Allen would put us in the Super Bowl conversation without question.  In the AFC East, it's going to come down to the supporting roster.  And in my opinion, the Bills are slipping further behind with each passing week.

 

Excellent post.  There has been an arms race going on for a year or 2 now, and we are not upgrading as you mention, while at the same time probably regressing slightly due to constant end-of-year changes.

 

It's also worth noting that in this environment, simply remaining exactly the same means moving backward.

 

 

3 minutes ago, mrags said:

You are 100% in this. But Josh is one of the best players in the game and he is the one that is responsible for our success majority speaking. I’m not saying we will be in the SB window forever with him at the helm. But the fact is, as long as 17 is here and healthy, we have a shot at it every year. 
 

but yes, coaching has lost us important games. Especially when they matter most. 

I'm sure they felt the same way in Green Bay all these years with Rodgers.

 

Well, they did do it once.

 

I'd take that.

 

 

[papazoid]

neither the bills or chiefs are "OUT"....that sounds so final

 

they just aren't "in" yet

 

just because beane won't overpay.....doesn't mean he can't pull the trigger

 

just because a deal hasn't happened or beane says very little....doesn't mean dhop to bills is dead

 

if tim graham actually had a source on this....wouldn't he have to say "per source" ??

 

[JaCrispy]

I’m toying with the idea of using a 4th round pick to trade up ahead of the Giants at 25 to snag Zay Flowers, if he is still on the board at 23 or 24…

 

Dude is the most electric playmaker in this years draft Imo…

 

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by JaCrispy

[Roundybout]

3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I’m toying with the idea of using a 4th round pick to trade up ahead of the Giants at 25 to snag Zay Flowers, if he is still on the board at 23 or 24…

 

Dude is the most electric playmaker in this years draft Imo…

 

 

 

Yup. Would be completely worth it. Throw Boogie in the trade if you have to. 

[ngbills]

What legit contender has a supporting cast worse than ours? What position group on the Bills has elite talent? If we are going to win in the playoffs the roster needs upgrades not just role players. Hopkins checks that box. He is a guy you can go to in key spots. Right now you double Diggs and we are hoping for an Allen scramble. 

[papazoid]

the biggest need is to improve the OL

the biggest impact would be an elite WR2

[mrags]

14 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

Excellent post.  There has been an arms race going on for a year or 2 now, and we are not upgrading as you mention, while at the same time probably regressing slightly due to constant end-of-year changes.

 

It's also worth noting that in this environment, simply remaining exactly the same means moving backward.

 

 

I'm sure they felt the same way in Green Bay all these years with Rodgers.

 

Well, they did do it once.

 

I'd take that.

 

 

I 100% agree with you. Not saying I want it to happen. I believe we need help keeping Josh upright more than just about anything. And help with targets a close 2nd. But the fact is, just like Rodgers in Green Bay. If Josh is here, we will be in the conversation. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

5 minutes ago, papazoid said:

the biggest need is to improve the OL

the biggest impact would be an elite WR2

Beane likes Spencer Brown. 

[papazoid]

14 minutes ago, ngbills said:

What legit contender has a supporting cast worse than ours? What position group on the Bills has elite talent? If we are going to win in the playoffs the roster needs upgrades not just role players. Hopkins checks that box. He is a guy you can go to in key spots. Right now you double Diggs and we are hoping for an Allen scramble. 

 

without a doubt...the DB's are the strongest position group

 

3 pro bowlers in poyer, hyde and white

a highly rated nickel back in taron johnson

last years 1st round pick in kaiir elam

we just added taylor rapp for a steal

benford beat out elam to start last season

dane jackson is great depth

[RunTheBall]

Why are people getting bent over Tim Grahams tweet? It didn’t add anything to the conversation. It didn’t add anything we didn’t already know.

 

Once AZ’s asking price was leaked, every one of us knew Beane wasn’t paying that and likely no other team would as well.

 

So we all knew that unless AZ lowered their asking price (“significant change”), we weren’t pulling that trigger.

 

So what exactly does Tim Graham reveal here? Nothing.

 

 

[Mcg]

10 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Why anyone would believe this is beyond me Brandon Beane isn't telling anyone anything lol .

 

 

[4merper4mer]

49 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

The Chiefs are brilliant for this I suppose….

but the Bills should give up three firsts?

[Bruffalo]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Beane likes Spencer Brown. 

I don't understand why. Is it a sunk cost fallacy? 

 

He's objectively bad according to every independent metric. What's the harm in giving him some real competition at the position?

Edited March 28, 2023 by Bruffalo

[nosejob]

I'm willing to bet if it happens, it'll be during the draft...and how the first rd. shakes out. It might have to come in terms of a draft day trade of Ed.

 

Maybe they get a couple of decent picks for him and parlay that into DHop.

 

Maybe if Robinson makes it to 27, we can trade with Philly or the Saints for a pick or 2 and then deal.