12/1/2022 - NFL Week #13 - Bills at Pats* - Post game thread

[Low Positive]

16 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Things are not going so well on the Patriots subreddit today... https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/

Reading that is interesting. They all think that they are getting Tom Brady back next year. They just can't let go.

[Big Turk]

 

Added to the TD Total...

Edited December 2, 2022 by Big Turk

[Billsatlastin2018]

53 minutes ago, clayboy54 said:

I’m genuinely impressed with how well he does on NFL games. I just expected “another college guy” trying to make the jump. Sure, it took him a few games but he’s done it. It’s really likely that his fast transition is due in great part to Al’s tutoring. Al might be slow on the draw anymore, but he was a great one in his prime. The two of them seem to get along and that relationship is helping Herbstreit become legitimate in the NFL.

He’s very good!
Easily As in depth and polished as Romo, stuck with holding up, old man, whistling teeth Al!

[stevewin]

1 hour ago, Casey D said:

I have 24 blocked posters.  Amazingly, only two posting in this thread.  Just shows how many are just trolls whose only goal is to spread misery.  Great morning after for the rest of us.

Where are all the Cheater loyalists to lecture me on never counting out the genius cheater Bellicheat and how good the Cheater defense is

[JGMcD2]

31 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Added to the TD Total...

Good post from Greg. 
 

Most people were saying they wanted Davis to emerge as a WR2… but they didn’t actually know what that meant and were expecting WR1 production, but just less production than Diggs which would make him our WR2. 
 

It doesn’t excuse the drops and miscues… they’re annoying… but he’s still been producing. 
 

That’s all. 

Edited December 2, 2022 by JGMcD2

[BillsfaninChicago]

Watching Mac Jones screaming at Patricia on the sidelines last night has made my internal struggle against schadenfreude very real today.

[DapperCam]

46 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Added to the TD Total...

Look at his drops. Look at the number of interceptions when he’s targeted. He has those volume numbers because of the style of offense the Bills play. Eye test tells me his ankle is still hurt and he can’t get separation.

[MarkyMannn]

On GMF this morning, praising Bills run game. Bills only team in NFL to gain 100+ yards on the ground every game this year

[Logic]

That was the most I've enjoyed watching a Bills game since they faced the Chiefs. In my opinion, it was the first time since then that they mostly looked like the team we know they can be and expect them to be. Josh looked more like, well...Josh, too.

Some thoughts from the game, which I'll  just leave here because I don't want to make a LAMP post.

- THAT was Buffalo Bills defense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, "it's just Mac Jones", "Pats stink on offense"...whatever. That was a 6-5, Belichick-coached team at home, with a hammer at running back, a couple good tight ends, and a guy coming off his best passing game of the year. After the first drive or so, once they got their feet under them, the Bills defense played fast, hit hard, communicated well, and flew to the football. There were occasional lapses into bad tackling (though some of that is the fact that Rhamondre Stevenson is an absolute unit), but for the most part, this night saw a return to the defensive form we saw early in the season. Which leads us to...

- Edmunds, Milano, Poyer, and Tre White being in the game all made a HUGE difference. Add Rousseau to that list, too. A healthy defense is a much better defense. Imagine that? Edmunds, in particular, is really showing his value this season. I don't know how anyone could watch a game with Edmunds in the lineup and then a game without him and conclude anything other than "he's massively important to the Bills' defensive success".

- Xavier Rhodes looked good at corner all night. The Elam benching was a head scratcher that I don't care to get into here, but I thought the outside trio of White, Jackson, and Rhodes, played quite well. Jackson looks like a different guy when Edmunds and White are in the lineup. Seeing Tre White back and playing well was such a sight for sore eyes.

- Shaq Lawson is the Bills' third best defensive end. He's really been playing well and bringing juice to that DL. Lord knows we'll need him the next few games with Von out. Excellent signing by Beane.

- Oliver was wrecking plays. Again. He's gone full "beast mode" the last two games. He'll be the main guy picking up the passing rushing slack the next few weeks, IMO.

- This was Dorsey's best game as a play caller. Multi-RB sets, motion, eye candy, sticking with the run, long, sustained drives, getting Diggs involved, getting Davis involved (drops notwithstanding)...just excellent stuff from Dorsey. I said before the game that he'd really need to bring his "A game" to beat the Pats defense, and he did. If this is a sign of things to come, I'm encouraged.

- Josh looked better this week. He still had a boneheaded play or two (one, in particular, that should have been picked and he had no reason to throw), but all in all, a big improvement over the last couple weeks. 

- I love Stefon Diggs. That's all. I just love him.

 

[Warriorspikes51]

7 minutes ago, Logic said:

That was the most I've enjoyed watching a Bills game since they faced the Chiefs. In my opinion, it was the first time since then that they mostly looked like the team we know they can be and expect them to be. Josh looked more like, well...Josh, too.

Some thoughts from the game, which I'll  just leave here because I don't want to make a LAMP post.

- THAT was Buffalo Bills defense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, "it's just Mac Jones", "Pats stink on offense"...whatever. That was a 6-5, Belichick-coached team at home, with a hammer at running back, a couple good tight ends, and a guy coming off his best passing game of the year. After the first drive or so, once they got their feet under them, the Bills defense played fast, hit hard, communicated well, and flew to the football. There were occasional lapses into bad tackling (though some of that is the fact that Rhamondre Stevenson is an absolute unit), but for the most part, this night saw a return to the defensive form we saw early in the season. Which leads us to...

- Edmunds, Milano, Poyer, and Tre White being in the game all made a HUGE difference. Add Rousseau to that list, too. A healthy defense is a much better defense. Imagine that? Edmunds, in particular, is really showing his value this season. I don't know how anyone could watch a game with Edmunds in the lineup and then a game without him and conclude anything other than "he's massively important to the Bills' defensive success".

- Xavier Rhodes looked good at corner all night. The Elam benching was a head scratcher that I don't care to get into here, but I thought the outside trio of White, Jackson, and Rhodes, played quite well. Jackson looks like a different guy when Edmunds and White are in the lineup. Seeing Tre White back and playing well was such a sight for sore eyes.

- Shaq Lawson is the Bills' third best defensive end. He's really been playing well and bringing juice to that DL. Lord knows we'll need him the next few games with Von out. Excellent signing by Beane.

- Oliver was wrecking plays. Again. He's gone full "beast mode" the last two games. He'll be the main guy picking up the passing rushing slack the next few weeks, IMO.

- This was Dorsey's best game as a play caller. Multi-RB sets, motion, eye candy, sticking with the run, long, sustained drives, getting Diggs involved, getting Davis involved (drops notwithstanding)...just excellent stuff from Dorsey. I said before the game that he'd really need to bring his "A game" to beat the Pats defense, and he did. If this is a sign of things to come, I'm encouraged.

- Josh looked better this week. He still had a boneheaded play or two (one, in particular, that should have been picked and he had no reason to throw), but all in all, a big improvement over the last couple weeks. 

- I love Stefon Diggs. That's all. I just love him.

 

 

Tre and Xavier should absolutely be the 1 and 2 down the stretch.  I would like Elam to rotate in because he has 4.35 speed
 

[The Wiz]

13 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Look at his drops. Look at the number of interceptions when he’s targeted. He has those volume numbers because of the style of offense the Bills play. Eye test tells me his ankle is still hurt and he can’t get separation.

He may still be hurt but he was never really a big separation receiver. 

 

Most of his big plays have been with a guy right in his pocket. 

[Greg S]

9 minutes ago, Logic said:

That was the most I've enjoyed watching a Bills game since they faced the Chiefs. In my opinion, it was the first time since then that they mostly looked like the team we know they can be and expect them to be. Josh looked more like, well...Josh, too.

Some thoughts from the game, which I'll  just leave here because I don't want to make a LAMP post.

- THAT was Buffalo Bills defense. Yeah, yeah, yeah, "it's just Mac Jones", "Pats stink on offense"...whatever. That was a 6-5, Belichick-coached team at home, with a hammer at running back, a couple good tight ends, and a guy coming off his best passing game of the year. After the first drive or so, once they got their feet under them, the Bills defense played fast, hit hard, communicated well, and flew to the football. There were occasional lapses into bad tackling (though some of that is the fact that Rhamondre Stevenson is an absolute unit), but for the most part, this night saw a return to the defensive form we saw early in the season. Which leads us to...

- Edmunds, Milano, Poyer, and Tre White being in the game all made a HUGE difference. Add Rousseau to that list, too. A healthy defense is a much better defense. Imagine that? Edmunds, in particular, is really showing his value this season. I don't know how anyone could watch a game with Edmunds in the lineup and then a game without him and conclude anything other than "he's massively important to the Bills' defensive success".

- Xavier Rhodes looked good at corner all night. The Elam benching was a head scratcher that I don't care to get into here, but I thought the outside trio of White, Jackson, and Rhodes, played quite well. Jackson looks like a different guy when Edmunds and White are in the lineup. Seeing Tre White back and playing well was such a sight for sore eyes.

- Shaq Lawson is the Bills' third best defensive end. He's really been playing well and bringing juice to that DL. Lord knows we'll need him the next few games with Von out. Excellent signing by Beane.

- Oliver was wrecking plays. Again. He's gone full "beast mode" the last two games. He'll be the main guy picking up the passing rushing slack the next few weeks, IMO.

- This was Dorsey's best game as a play caller. Multi-RB sets, motion, eye candy, sticking with the run, long, sustained drives, getting Diggs involved, getting Davis involved (drops notwithstanding)...just excellent stuff from Dorsey. I said before the game that he'd really need to bring his "A game" to beat the Pats defense, and he did. If this is a sign of things to come, I'm encouraged.

- Josh looked better this week. He still had a boneheaded play or two (one, in particular, that should have been picked and he had no reason to throw), but all in all, a big improvement over the last couple weeks. 

- I love Stefon Diggs. That's all. I just love him.

 

 

One thing about rookies is sometimes they tend to "hit a wall" around this time of year. The NFL is a longer season then CFB so maybe they were giving Elam a rest considering who they have playing in the secondary now. Otherwise, I also don't get why he was a healthy scratch. 

[DrDawkinstein]

17 minutes ago, Logic said:

- Shaq Lawson is the Bills' third best defensive end. He's really been playing well and bringing juice to that DL. Lord knows we'll need him the next few games with Von out. Excellent signing by Beane.

 

 

Lot of great points, but wanted to focus on this one.

 

SOMETHING happened at the end of the kickoff after our first TD that had the Pats/Bills jawwing at each other and almost fighting. And whatever it was, got Shaq so fired up he dominated the 3 plays the Pats had before having to punt from their endzone. And he got the rest of that DL fired up and riding his energy.

 

Great to have Shaq and JPhillips back. Need that fire and swagger up front.

 

I still wonder what happened on that kickoff...

[Big Turk]

12 minutes ago, Greg S said:

 

One thing about rookies is sometimes they tend to "hit a wall" around this time of year. The NFL is a longer season then CFB so maybe they were giving Elam a rest considering who they have playing in the secondary now. Otherwise, I also don't get why he was a healthy scratch. 

 

Add to this they really have no offseason going from prepping for the combine and pro days to rookie mini camp to training camp and then a longer season and it's basically no time off between last college and rookie year

[Greg S]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

Add to this they really have no offseason going from prepping for the combine and pro days to rookie mini camp to training camp and then a longer season and it's basically no time off between last college and rookie year

 

Good point. Let's hope the Jets forget this and Sauce "hits his wall" trying to cover Diggs.

[Big Turk]

17 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

He may still be hurt but he was never really a big separation receiver. 

 

Most of his big plays have been with a guy right in his pocket. 

 

Except on deep balls...then he gets a lot of separation 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

50 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Good post from Greg. 
 

Most people were saying they wanted Davis to emerge as a WR2… but they didn’t actually know what that meant and were expecting WR1 production, but just less production than Diggs which would make him our WR2. 
 

It doesn’t excuse the drops and miscues… they’re annoying… but he’s still been producing. 
 

That’s all. 

I think he’s leading the league in drops per target by a healthy margin also but I’m trying to track down where I saw that stat.  His 6 credited drops is tied for the league lead and everyone else with that many drops has way more targets 

[fergie's ire]

27 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Look at his drops. Look at the number of interceptions when he’s targeted. He has those volume numbers because of the style of offense the Bills play. Eye test tells me his ankle is still hurt and he can’t get separation.

Yeah, that makes sense to me.  Look at when Davis ran the same route as the Diggs touchdown in the end zone.  Ball was placed just out of his reached but needed to be because the defender was right on his back.  If you look at his route, not only did he not sell the inside move like Diggs, but he really rounded his route.  Particularly in tight quarters close to the end zone, that's a problem.  I noted it at the time, but hadn't thought that it might be because of his injury.

[Chandler#81]

 

[Bob in STL]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He’s not different. He’s terrible. But as an extra OL he doesn’t have to do much.

 

I don't get these comments.   He has carved out a role as the extra lineman in running situations and gets important reps with the offense - and when called upon he has done well.   Not one guy in that locker room, coach or player, would argue that.  

 

Hart is not a starter we all get that.  But he is vet that can fill most OL positions and has contributed this year.   

 

Look past the obvious.  

[Chandler#81]

 

[Logic]

21 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Lot of great points, but wanted to focus on this one.

 

SOMETHING happened at the end of the kickoff after our first TD that had the Pats/Bills jawwing at each other and almost fighting. And whatever it was, got Shaq so fired up he dominated the 3 plays the Pats had before having to punt from their endzone. And he got the rest of that DL fired up and riding his energy.

 

Great to have Shaq and JPhillips back. Need that fire and swagger up front.

 

I still wonder what happened on that kickoff...

I happen to believe that that intangible energy, confidence, "swagger", whatever you want to call it...is a real and very important thing...ESPECIALLY with defensive players.

Shaq and Jordan provide it in spades. I think our defense missed it while they were gone, and I think they benefit from it now that it's back. It helps that both guys are playing well, too, but the intangible spark they provides is noticeable to me.

[Airseven]

That was a great win. The world domination fluff is over. The Bills are in for a wicked battle in the AFC. 

[BaaadThingsMan]

2 hours ago, clayboy54 said:

I’m genuinely impressed with how well he does on NFL games. I just expected “another college guy” trying to make the jump. Sure, it took him a few games but he’s done it. It’s really likely that his fast transition is due in great part to Al’s tutoring. Al might be slow on the draw anymore, but he was a great one in his prime. The two of them seem to get along and that relationship is helping Herbstreit become legitimate in the NFL.

Hes a good analyst imo

[Chandler#81]

SCHOTZY!

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

9 hours ago, Billznut said:

I just wish Josh could have been a dick to him in the postgame if he knew all the crap Gonzalez was talking about the Bills before and after Allen came out. But I know Josh is way too classy for that anyways. 

I’m really curious if these guys do any research before they start spewing what is likely to be nonsense lol. Does gonzalez even know the schedule Miami has played so far and who they have left?  They are a big underdog to win the division right now.  Even if they beat buffalo it’s still pretty likely they finish a win behind 

 

If they lose to buffalo the division is probably locked up 

Edited December 2, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[WideNine]

9 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

Yup, NSFW 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can't argue with ya Dave....

 

Baston sacks cayk

 

 

Enjoy the AFC East basement NE.

 

[Success]

It was so hard against New England, for so long.  I used to dread playing them, because losing was basically inevitable. They were so much better, and some games, there was literally nothing we could do.

 

Watching the tables turn like this has been good for my soul.  To see a coach as great as Belichick get frustrated on the sideline, knowing that he can't stop what's happening. It's joyful.

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Need another reason to love Josh? (And still wearing Fitzie’s 14 jersey)

 

 

[WideNine]

31 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

 

 

He was a foot away from adding another TD last night.

 

Allen played a good game. In control, and scrambling when he needed to.

 

 

[Chandler#81]

From the Pats* perspective 

WARNING! NSFW!

 

[Big Turk]

 

[WideNine]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

From the Pats* perspective 

WARNING! NSFW!

 

 

I just love it when Patriot fans rant about how their team sucks.

 

I keep listening to this over and over, not sure when I am going to get tired of it today.

 

It's a great Friday folks.

 

 

[Big Turk]

Someone needs to overlay those Mac Jones scrambles backwards for like 30 yards while the Bills chased him with Benny Hill chase scene music...

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by Big Turk

[njbuff]

12 hours ago, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

9-3 fellas.  9-3

Already predicting the score of the Jets game I see. 😁

[YoloinOhio]

11 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I will reserve judgment on Phillips until i hear from all the twitter doctors.

 

[Big Turk]

https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/patriots/josh-allen-bills-once-again-remind-patriots-of-talent-gap

[wjag]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Thought it was a hammy seeing it live...  

[Warriorspikes51]

 

How is that not a penalty

[dollars 2 donuts]

5 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Thanks for the post! All are excellent points and very heady stuff! 5 out 6 winning seasons is awesome after following 17 years of absolute despair where mediocrity was perceived as a great and hopeful season.

Never forget. It’s what makes our current team so loved.

 

 

Thank you, Chand!

 

Here's a little more rabbit hole stuff...

 

• Bills are 85-63 the last nine years.

 

           2014:  9-7

           2015:  8-8

           2016:  7-9

           2017:  9-8 (includes playoffs - IP)

           2018:  6-10

           2019:  10-7 (IP)

           2020: 15-4 (IP)

           2021:  12-7 (IP) 

           2022:  9-3

          

• EDIT:  Even excluding the 2022 playoffs if the Bills can run the table they can earnestly claim that they have averaged at least 10 wins a season for the last nine years.

 

• Josh is now 48-24 as a starter, including the games he started but did not finish (Atlanta, New England).  He is 43-18 since 2019.  So far this decade they are 36-14, excluding the playoff loss from the end of the 2019 season against Houston  played on the 4th (side note:  Texans since that game are 9-34-1).

 

• As WGR noted this morning he is the 1st player in NFL history to register 3 straight 25 passing / 5 rushing TD seasons.

 

• Diggs needs 9 more receptions for his 3rd straight 100 reception season, and 37 more to set the Bills singles season record of 127 receptions...his from 2020.

 

• As WGR also noted earlier one quarter of Cook's touches for the Bills this season took place last night.  14 rushes and 6 receptions for a total of 105 yards.

 

• From the NFL Channel ticker (I may have mentioned this the other day), Josh Allen is now only the 3rd QB to beat Belichek 5 times and the only of those to be .500 (they were wrong in indicating he would be 5-4 as they didn't include the start he got knocked out of).  If he starts and wins the season finale he will obviously become the only QB with a winning record and at least five victories against BB (6-5, 6-1 in the last seven and winner of 3 straight seasons series (2-0, 2-1, 2-0).

 

 

EDIT:

 

• The Bill my brother was most critical of last night and one of the first things he said after "great win" this morning...was Cook.   😐 he thought he was tripping over his own feet and can't stay upright when he runs.  🙄

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 2, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts