12/1/2022 - NFL Week #13 - Bills at Pats* - Post game thread

[Chandler#81]

10 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

4th straight winning season (5th in 6 years).

first team to win 3 Thursday games in a season.

first team to win all 3 thanksgiving time slots (and in four years).

first team this season to get to 6 road victories (to hell with “that was a home game”).

first team to win 3 games in 12 days.

 

Damn, I am so proud of these guys.

 

Thanks for the post! All are excellent points and very heady stuff! 5 out 6 winning seasons is awesome after following 17 years of absolute despair where mediocrity was perceived as a great and hopeful season.

Never forget. It’s what makes our current team so loved.

[Beck Water]

7 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Just rewatched the Hamlin hit in end zone. 
 

By rule, the roughness call may be correct. But ejection was a bad call. 
 

Here’s what happens. 
Pat WR catches ball in air, returns to ground. 
Then, he lowers his head, as he is anticipating Hamlin hit. 
So he’s NOT really defenseless. Makes a move to protect himself by getting lower. 
 

Problem was, by getting lower, he ducks his head right into Hamlins shoulder pad. 
 

If he hadn’t ducked, Hamlin shoulder would have hit his chest, not his head. 
 

Hamlin didn’t lead with helmet. 
Hamlin didn’t launch. 
Bad call. 

 

I agree with this description and hopefully the Bills will "seek clarity" on the ejection as I don't believe it was flagrant and perhaps that will save Damlin a rep and a fine.

Edited December 2, 2022 by Beck Water

[wjag]

1 minute ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

 

Al needs a good colorman alongside for him to work

 

Funny you said that.  I was thinking how "dry" Kirk is.  I think it's just his monotone voice.  He never seems to get too excited like a Nance does.  Think about that call Nance had in KC.  "HE"S GOT DAVIS!!!!"  or even Collingsworth where he amps it up.  Kirk tries, but it just doesn't come across like he is excited to be there and lucky to be calling a game.

 

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, wjag said:

3. I didn't even know Dane Jackson was playing until late in the game.

....

5. First game in four where the Bills secondary wasn't a dumpster fire.

 

To this:

It's the difference a truly effective 4 man pass rush, plus a week of practice, makes.

 

Dane Jackson was clean beat on a deep route at one point.  But Jones was under duress, and overthrew his receiver by a mile (essentially throwaway deep)

 

The Bills were (to my eyes, not necessarily reliable on broadcast) playing a lot of zone.  I saw a lot of intricate handoffs.  Jackson is a capable off-ball corner.  Taron Johnson is also good in zone coverage and with the "string" of Milano-Edmunds-Johnson in place

 

Po got robbed on that pick.

[Donuts and Doritos]

Beating the Belicheeky Pats will never get old.

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

Haha Josh said "wheres Bill?" there at the end when he was walking around

 

Is that who he was looking for?  I didn't see him "bro hug" Jones, so I thought he might have been looking for McCorkle

[stevewin]

7 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

No need. Just sitting back and enjoying their sorrow is enough. 

[wjag]

1 minute ago, stevewin said:

 

Anyone have a link to the Pats post game show?  I'd be curious to listen to their take on things.

[Greg S]

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 minute ago, Greg S said:

Love it. Would only be better if it was a Buffalo. 😉

[Beck Water]

"Six o'clock in the morning, you're the last to hear the warning
You been tryin' to throw your arms around the world"  -U2

 

Well, 6:20 actually, but I woke up at 5:20 feeling rested and peaceful.

 

A few comments on the game:

1) the OL.  I give Quessenberry credit for toughness, but can we all send "get well cards" and hold prayer circles for Dawkins ankle? 

2) the Elbow.  "It's BACK!"

3) most interesting part of the Fitzy pregame interview: Josh commenting on how the QB is an extension of the OC, and it's been taking time for him and Dorsey to see things the same way.  (Fitzy asking Josh to sign the photo of that ...."interesting" tattoo of him was just so Fitz.  For his cousin, of course)

4) playing time.  'fess up people, who knew that John Brown was on the field for 12 snaps?  Khalil Shakir got 16 AND we saw a nice reception.

5) RB playing time.  Cook and Hines are starting to cut into Singletary's snaps: 32:22:33 or 43%:31%:44%.  For the math enabled, yes that sums to >100%, yes that means the Bills were running "pony" and 2 back sets again. 

6) But Gilliam only saw 5 or 7% of the snaps.  I really thought he was an effective player for us earlier in the season, and with the OL banged up perhaps we should see more of him?

6) Sweeney is a mixed bag.  He had an amazing downfield double block.  But then that hold on Judon which canceled that beaut of a TD throw 😬. 

7) McKenzie 5 catches on 5 targets for 44 yds, all of them short routes.  This is the production we want to see from slot. If McKenzie and Josh are finally building some trust and timing, that's huge

8 ) That series, 4 minutes left in the 1st half where I thought "oh no, the Mad Bomber is back" (incomplete to Davis, Allen stuffed after 2 yds, incomplete deep to Diggs).  I"m not the only one who was cussing and yelling at the TV, admit it!

9) We were not playing the defense I thought we'd play.  Xavier Rhodes got 87% of the snaps, Tre White 61%, Jackson 52%.  Taron was on the field 100%, no LB other than Milano and Edmunds got snaps, nor did Siran Neal, meaning we were in base nickel all game.  Count me as one of the guys who thought we'd play some 4-3 base, and we also did a "heavy nickel" with Siran Neal replacing Johnson last time we played NE which we didn't see today.  But we must have been moving guys around with a bit of a wrinkle.  At least, the snap counts surprised me.

 

10)  Overall, I think the Bills successfully took the Hoodie by surprise. I think he was very focused on taking away those quick-strike "chunk" plays with deep throws to the WR and long Allen runs, and he was successful at that (I think he wanted to take away Diggs, and he was less successful at that, in part because of how the Bills used him).  I do not think he anticipated the Bills coming out in heavy sets with 2 TE or 2 RB as much as we did, nor playing ball control, grind-it-out offense - even though we did show that against the Browns.  Good job by the Bills coaching staff!

Edited December 2, 2022 by Beck Water

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

This is the second time (Green Bay was the first) this season where it felt like the opposition just rolled over in defeat in a game that had a somewhat competitive score.  I was stunned by the lack of urgency the Pats had down 24-7 with 9 minutes and 3 timeouts.  They used up 6 of those minutes dinking and dunking their way to a FG.

[HopelessNJBuffaloFan]

I have to say, i agree with a lot of the posters. I actually slept good after the game and it was the calmest i have been watching our boys play in a long time. I just never felt we were going to lose. Even after the Pats TD i was not worried. It was nice to see the Bills turn tables and go on a 7-8 min td drive. Did not think i would ever see that in a Josh offense!!! LOL Also, 3 games in 12 days..... WOW!! Never thought this team would get through that with 3 wins. As the team gets healthier it looks like it is able to cover for the other key injuries which means we have some decent depth. This 10 days off is a great thing and should get more healthy for the Jets! 

[Casey D]

I have 24 blocked posters.  Amazingly, only two posting in this thread.  Just shows how many are just trolls whose only goal is to spread misery.  Great morning after for the rest of us.

[Greg S]

Now we have 10 days to relax. As for this Sunday. Let's Go Vikings, Let's Go 49ers, Lets Go Bengals. If that happens say hello to the #1 seed. Go Bills. Don't need the Jets to lose to get #1 seed but "F" them anyway.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

6 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

Peruvian marching powder?

 

You're on the right trail 

[Cray51]

White played 61% of snaps, and I saw him maybe twice all game?  Guy is getting back to his old form

[Low Positive]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Nice to see Tre's snap count up. He should be a full go from here on out.

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

Happy thought - a new generation of young Pats fans is growing up with the Bills as their most hated opponent that they can never beat.

[YoloinOhio]

8 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

Fine like Von?

Von never said he was fine 

[Greg S]

[Warriorspikes51]

Rhodes  - 87% of the snaps
Tre  61%

 

These 2 should start the rest of the way

[Dr. Who]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Bobby Hart is different this year lol. Man on a mission all year long lol

He was fun to joke about, but it's much more fun to see him become a useful player.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

Howard is on speed this morning.

 

Now educating you on how (3) wins in 12-days is all that matters. 
 

When the tone yesterday was fear of the Patriots. 

[clayboy54]

9 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said:

Poor Herbstreit got hired to take Al out to pasture

I’m genuinely impressed with how well he does on NFL games. I just expected “another college guy” trying to make the jump. Sure, it took him a few games but he’s done it. It’s really likely that his fast transition is due in great part to Al’s tutoring. Al might be slow on the draw anymore, but he was a great one in his prime. The two of them seem to get along and that relationship is helping Herbstreit become legitimate in the NFL.

[Greg S]

1 minute ago, clayboy54 said:

I’m genuinely impressed with how well he does on NFL games. I just expected “another college guy” trying to make the jump. Sure, it took him a few games but he’s done it. It’s really likely that his fast transition is due in great part to Al’s tutoring. Al might be slow on the draw anymore, but he was a great one in his prime. The two of them seem to get along and that relationship is helping Herbstreit become legitimate in the NFL.

 

He is one of the better CFB announcers. He knows the game so no surprise he is doing well at the NFL level. There are some rule differences between college and pro, but the game is the same except OT. CFB OT is dumb IMHO.

[K-9]

6 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

Davis has been a little inconsistent this year in his new role, but 650 yards on pace for 942 yards and 8-9 TDs is not exactly terrible for a #2. Not sure what people are expecting.

Good point. I also think that Davis hasn’t been healthy since his ankle injury early in the season. He looks a bit gimpy when he runs. 

[Big Turk]

Josh Allen making a kids first Bills game extra special. Allen might be an awesome player, but he is an even better person.

 

 

3 minutes ago, K-9 said:

Good point. I also think that Davis hasn’t been healthy since his ankle injury early in the season. He looks a bit gimpy when he runs. 

 

Haha...doesn't he look like he is a kid running around the outside of a pool in bare feet the way he runs out to his position from the huddle and how he ran out of bounds after fielding the inside kick?? 😂

11 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Howard is on speed this morning.

 

Now educating you on how (3) wins in 12-days is all that matters. 
 

When the tone yesterday was fear of the Patriots. 

 

Why would we fear a team that hasn't been competitive most of the last 3 years?

9 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Bobby Hart is different this year lol. Man on a mission all year long lol

 

Bobby Hart blasting 2 Chainz in the locker room to all the haters...

 

https://youtu.be/e2QKlmMT8II

[clayboy54]

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

 

He doesn't. You simply don't understand what catch percentage actually means.

 

Overthrows, uncatchable passes and throwaways count as a target if he was the intended receiver.

 

You have to admit that Gabe has been generally ineffective playing for contested catches. Additionally, he does have a few outright drops. You are right in that last night a few of his targets were off the mark. But again, he missed a few contested catches. My real issue with him this year is that he does not seem to be making as many adjustments on Josh’s extended plays, particularly over the middle.

 

That said, his adjustment in the end zone on that TD was vintage Gabe.

[Pete]

 

[DrDawkinstein]

 

Here is the entire post-game. Must see TV.

[Pete]

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

Things are not going so well on the Patriots subreddit today... https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/

[nucci]

Normally with 1:53 on the clock and opponent with 3 TOs left you run a couple of plays and try to get a first down. How did we know Pats were not going to use TOs and we went right to kneeling? 

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Things are not going so well on the Patriots subreddit today... https://www.reddit.com/r/Patriots/

they looked terrible last night. We played good D but that was an awful team we played

[The Wiz]

31 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Howard is on speed this morning.

 

Now educating you on how (3) wins in 12-days is all that matters. 
 

When the tone yesterday was fear of the Patriots. 

They are killing NE media and fans right now. 

 

It's hilarious. 

[Nineforty]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

Normally with 1:53 on the clock and opponent with 3 TOs left you run a couple of plays and try to get a first down. How did we know Pats were not going to use TOs and we went right to kneeling? 

they looked terrible last night. We played good D but that was an awful team we played

 

I too was wondering how the hoodie signaled this to us...

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, Nineforty said:

 

I too was wondering how the hoodie signaled this to us...

Actually saw Hocculi tell Josh the Pats weren’t gonna call timeouts.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Bobby Hart is different this year lol. Man on a mission all year long lol

He’s not different. He’s terrible. But as an extra OL he doesn’t have to do much.

56 minutes ago, Cray51 said:

White played 61% of snaps, and I saw him maybe twice all game?  Guy is getting back to his old form

And he cleared a big mental hurdle with the stinger. Those are painful, but came back in the game.

[Nineforty]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Actually saw Hocculi tell Josh the Pats weren’t gonna call timeouts.  

not gonna lie, even though it makes no sense, I was thinking, "they're lying! they're gonna use a T.O. after the first kneel!"