Wawrow hints an Internal Issues with the Bills

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

What do you mean strange? Reading posts and threads I can tell many of you are fans from the Rockpile days. A lot of you have this old school blue collar attitude. Case in point is the new stadium thread. Many of you love it as it an upgrade to Rich Stadium but keeps the blue collar feel of Buffalo. I feel it should be similar to what the Titans are getting with all the amenities that new stadiums get. 

So. I'm not going to engage you because you're not worth it.

 

But I pose this.

 

Many fans are from rockpile. Rich stadium opened in 73.  Assume the youngest fans there were 10.  That means they were born in 1963.

 

Many of us were fans from the rockpile days you claim which would make a majority of us over 60.

 

That's a ridiculously bad take. And I award you a loss, forfeiture of internet's.

[teef]

21 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said:

Yes there is a number of you that wanted a dome but there was also vocal group who didn't. 

 

You want something bizarre. How can many of you out of state fans be a fan of the Bills but care less about the Sabres or hockey in general. 

Yes.  People have differing opinions.  Crazy right?    
 

do out of state fans care more about the bills than sabres?  They may on here.  Ya know why?   Because it’s a bills message board.  Also pretty crazy!   

Edited November 17, 2022 by teef

[Jrb1979]

2 minutes ago, teef said:

Yes.  People have differing opinions.  Crazy right?    
 

do out of state fans care more about the bills than sabres.  They may on here.  Ya know why?   Because it’s a bills message board.  Also pretty crazy!   

It's not just here that I see it. Even the local media including WGR (which is the broadcaster for the Sabres) barely talk about the Sabres. 

[teef]

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

It's not just here that I see it. Even the local media including WGR (which is the broadcaster for the Sabres) barely talk about the Sabres. 

You know here in the states hockey is the 4th most popular sport?  I’m assuming at least it’s after football, basketball and baseball.   So all of this nonsense is over you being upset that people aren’t more passionate about hockey?  See what I mean by strange?

[Einstein]

21 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

 

That’s such a great gif!

[Jrb1979]

1 minute ago, teef said:

You know here in the states hockey is the 4th most popular sport?  I’m assuming at least it’s after football, basketball and baseball.   So all of this nonsense is over you being upset that people aren’t more passionate about hockey?  See what I mean by strange?

I don't get the love of a sport that has very little action. 

[teef]

Just now, Jrb1979 said:

I don't get the love of a sport that has very little action. 

See?   This is what I was talking about.  You have your opinions, and can’t understand why someone would feel different.  Your reaction to that is to be condescending to bills fans.   Strange.  
 

You prefer hockey. That’s cool.  Most Americans don’t.  Just personal preference. I’m not sure how you draw bizarre conclusions because of it. I’ve been to a number of leaf games and sat in the clubs.  Those fans didn’t seem too interested at all. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

They expect AT LEAST one 1st. The Saints traded their 2023 1st already so they are hoping to recover it with Payton returning to the sidelines. If you’re right though and he’s going to wait on the perfect opportunity it might not be this year.

Lol, I obviously meant the Browns 🤦🏻‍♂️. 

 

 

Payton isn’t signing with a team unless it’s got an established franchise QB.  Needs hid Drew Brees.  
 

Look at what BB did with what he had in Cleveland.  Payton isn’t going to achieve that

[LeGOATski]

5 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I think we're all wondering who the f@#$ is LeGoatski.  The suspense has been killing me.  Personally, my brain says John Leguizamo but my gut says Pauly Shore.

[LeGOATski]

5 hours ago, teef said:

you're not the best at reading comprehension, are you?  no one is dismissing him.  most posters agree that there is something there.  the annoyance is putting a nugget of info and then refusing to expound on it.  if he doesn't want to go into detail, fine.  it's probably best not to say anything at all then.  on top of that, to come here, throw a tantrum and leave the board?  not a great look.  you're trying to hard to make this something it's not, which doesn't really surprise me with you.  next time, use your words like a big boy, and not emojis.  

To be clear, I never even confronted him on any of the current rumors. I called him out on trying to bring up his old vaxx rumors and present them as fact. Like trying to rewrite history. I didn't like the way he tried to stir ***** up then, so it struck a nerve now.

[Reed83HOF]

7 hours ago, teef said:

the "blue collar group"?  what exactly does that mean?  you don't post here in a while because when you do, it tends to be on the strange side, and you get called out on it.    

he must drive a BMW🤣

[Victory Formation]

8 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

All I've gotten out of this thread is the majority of you stick your fingers in  your ears like you don't want to hear it. Unless it's sunshine and rainbows you dismiss it. 

I’m not in the mood for sunshine today anyway.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

On 11/16/2022 at 4:04 PM, LabattBlue said:

Why do "we need to know"?  What will change if you are given more info in regards to Tre' White?

 

Because he's getting paid on a large extended contract and not playing despite being active for over two weeks. 

 

We could have given Poyer an extension and gotten someone in a spot but now his spot is being taken up and NOTHING is happening. It's not fair to do this in the middle of our season and just string the team along like this. If you want to retire, then just say so. If you want time off, take the time off under a designation and in either case we would understand. Enough with the damn mystery!

[EasternOHBillsFan]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The difference with the TG situation was that Lori got TG to come on to "answer questions"........and he got attacked.

 

Which chased both of them off.

 

TG wasn't "pretending" to be part of the community his role was clear.

 

That's not been the case with JW........TSW is a locker room and he came here wanting to be part of it but to be treated like he's the assistant GM when he walks in.   That guy can't really be part of the room.  His default "who the f*ck are you?" response to any kind of debate(see LeGoatski) made it very clear how he treats people he perceives as of a lesser station than he.  

 

There are ways to handle negative discourse online.   You can take it and dish it back out.......or you can laugh it off........there are a number of ways but self-importantly announcing your departure and leaving is the funniest and least admirable way, for sure. 

 

TG and JW were both unsuited for social media in which they are challenged... they simply don't react well to it at all. TBD isn't for everyone...

[Nextmanup]

WOW, this thread has become a receptacle for whatever random piece of ***** you want to throw at the wall.

 

Then again, most of them get that way after the first 10 posts.

 

🤔

[HerdMentality]

Would win all 3 losses 9/10 times if played tomorrow. That's sometimes how the cookie crumbles. This is a narrative looking for a team to pin in on.

[Jrb1979]

14 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

he must drive a BMW🤣

I do drive one. I also only go to stadiums that have high end amenities that don't sell Genny beer. 

[Motorin']

13 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

TG and JW were both unsuited for social media in which they are challenged... they simply don't react well to it at all. TBD isn't for everyone...

 

Tim Graham is really unprofessional on his Twitter account, which wouldn't really matter, except that he uses Twitter to promote his work. 

[RiotAct]

20 hours ago, teef said:

See?   This is what I was talking about.  You have your opinions, and can’t understand why someone would feel different.  Your reaction to that is to be condescending to bills fans.   Strange.  
 

You prefer hockey. That’s cool.  Most Americans don’t.  Just personal preference. I’m not sure how you draw bizarre conclusions because of it. I’ve been to a number of leaf games and sat in the clubs.  Those fans didn’t seem too interested at all. 

those people are likely the wealthiest of the wealthy in Canada. Or there for a corporate event.

[HoofHearted]

On 11/14/2022 at 10:44 AM, Einstein said:

 

I don’t blame the interception on McDermott. I do however blame the fumble on the coaching staff. Allen should have NEVER been put under center at the goal line.

 

The interior o-line was getting blown up the entire 4th quarter. Over and over and over again.

 

He thought it was smart, knowing that the interior line can’t get ANY push, to try a QB sneak? At the goal one?

 

Before the play I turned to my Dad and said “they have to put him in shotgun”. It was obvious.

 

It was also obvious to double cover Jefferson and they didn’t. Benford and others did a good job in single coverage but Jefferson is too good. You NEED two guys on him.

 

It was coaching failure after coaching failure.

We played 2 man almost the entire game - he was doubled.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

21 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Tim Graham is really unprofessional on his Twitter account, which wouldn't really matter, except that he uses Twitter to promote his work. 

 

Yeah, I never bought into the fact that TG was driven off by TBD users... no matter, I'm not on Twitter to see what he says anyways!

[teef]

1 hour ago, Jrb1979 said:

I do drive one. I also only go to stadiums that have high end amenities that don't sell Genny beer. 

You’re the type of guy that has a 25 year old luxury car with rust spots and thinks you’re a gamer. 

[Teddy KGB]

21 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

It's not just about being priced out being blue collar. It's also how many of you post about the Bills.

Hold on now, you’re complaining about people posting about the Bills on a (wait for it) Bills message board ? 
 

[SinceThe70s]

8 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Hold on now, you’re complaining about people posting about the Bills on a (wait for it) Bills message board ? 
 

 

 

Does that dog have a blue collar?

[yall]

2 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

I do drive one. I also only go to stadiums that have high end amenities that don't sell Genny beer. 

I'm surprised you have time to post here, what with having to hold down two jobs to pay for maintenance on those broke-ass machines. 

 

 

[Fan in Chicago]

On 11/17/2022 at 10:37 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

There are ways to handle negative discourse online.   You can take it and dish it back out.......or you can laugh it off........there are a number of ways but self-importantly announcing your departure and leaving is the funniest and least admirable way, for sure. 

While I agree with your post, allow me to point out how ironic the bolded is, coming from you 😀

Edited November 18, 2022 by Fan in Chicago

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, SUNY_amherst said:

There are big internal issues. The Cole Beasley thing was not a small thing. The rest of the team saw him getting ostracized when others, with covid mind you, they would bend the rules for. 

 

Then you have mcdermott who leaves the offense on an island with Daboll, they all got super close and siloed. Daboll wanted out, gets his job and Dorsey is in over his head, they know it 

John...is that you again? 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

4 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

I do drive one. I also only go to stadiums that have high end amenities that don't sell Genny beer. 

I live in the south and tried Genny beer for the first time.

 

It reminded me of drinking creme soda as a kid, only it was a beer.

 

It wasn't great, it wasn't terrible. 

 

That's my review of it

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

While I agree with your post, allow me to point out how ironic the bolded is, coming from you 😀

 

I don't think Irony is the term you are looking for but I know what you are saying.   I certainly have the techniques for handling negative discourse pretty well down.   As one TSW user says at our tailgates........I return the knife and then twist it for good measure.    Works like a charm.   Never even considered quitting TSW let alone announcing it like a *****.   Others effectively handle perceived attacks by not ever returning even the slightest negativity.  That's great for some too and it's very funny watching Scott work people with that paddle.    Leave the instigator unsatisfied.    JW also had the block feature at his disposal here.   You aren't obligated to answer to anyone.   He could have blocked @LeGOATski but he wanted to take his ball of secrets (that he was never going to tell anyone on TSW) and go home.   

[LeGOATski]

38 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

'Pissed a lot of people off'?

Errr...who, exactly?

Beasley could've kept his trap shut, instead of being a potential divider in the Locker Room.

I really didn't give a rat's @ss, about Beasley's opinions, but his very measurable decline, is what led to his departure after his final season in Buffalo.

Daboll wanted to be a Head Coach. He got his wish.

From what Josh has said, Dorsey was his preferred choice, as OC.

You are trying to create drama, where there is none...

Exaggerated stories. What we see in reality is one of the most fun-loving teams we've ever had. These guys love each other. They were nowhere close to be "torn apart." But we're told not to believe what we see...

[Einstein]

58 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

'Pissed a lot of people off'?

Errr...who, exactly?

Beasley could've kept his trap shut, instead of being a potential divider in the Locker Room.

I really didn't give a rat's @ss, about Beasley's opinions, but his very measurable decline, is what led to his departure after his final season in Buffalo.

Daboll wanted to be a Head Coach. He got his wish.

From what Josh has said, Dorsey was his preferred choice, as OC.

You are trying to create drama, where there is none...

 

Signs do point to Daboll wanting out.

 

Flores lawsuit mentions that Daboll wanted out of Buffalo, even if it wasn’t for a head coach job. In other words, he would consider a lateral job move.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

There are big internal issues. The Cole Beasley thing was not a small thing. The rest of the team saw him getting ostracized when others, with covid mind you, they would bend the rules for.  When the coach or QB didn't speak up for him it pissed a lot of people off

 

Then you have mcdermott who leaves the offense on an island with Daboll, they all got super close and siloed. Daboll wanted out, gets his job and Dorsey is in over his head, they know it.

 

 

Meh, first world problems.

 

Beasley didn't get any slack on the $100K+ fines he was assessed because he drew attention to himself with his social media griping about covid protocols.    He put a target on his back.   If the Bills got caught letting him get away with anything they were likely to be punished.   He alienated HIMSELF.

 

As for Daboll........he engineered the 6 point performance in Jacksonville a year ago this week and a number of other stinkers last year.    He wasn't above reproach for the team struggling to 7-6.

 

Dorsey came into this season seeking to become the first rookie OC to lead a team to a SB win since Mike Holmgren back in 1989.   And Holmgren was taking over a 49ers offense that had already won 3 SB's.......including the season before.    If Dorsey is a work in progress then he is in good company because it's unusual for first time OC's to be their best right away.   Daboll himself was simply pathetic at 3 prior stops as an NFL OC and lousy in his first year in Buffalo too.

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

There are big internal issues. The Cole Beasley thing was not a small thing. The rest of the team saw him getting ostracized when others, with covid mind you, they would bend the rules for.  When the coach or QB didn't speak up for him it pissed a lot of people off

 

Then you have mcdermott who leaves the offense on an island with Daboll, they all got super close and siloed. Daboll wanted out, gets his job and Dorsey is in over his head, they know it.

 

To the point of the bold text, in this past offseason the Bills brought in:

Mike Shula (former NFL OC and college HC (Alabama))

Aaron Kromer (former interim NFL HC and NFL OC)

Joe Brady (former NFL OC)

 

That is a lot of cooks in the kitchen brought in to assist Dorsey in making the leap.

Are those moves you make if you are 100% onboard with your new OC?

 

just something to think about

[JDubya76]

On 11/16/2022 at 11:42 PM, john wawrow said:

Nah.

Here’s the deal.

It’s tough enough wading through all the ***** I do on Twitter.

 

I’ve been on here for a long time (but not so much of late), and have occasionally been asked to share some insight.

Here, given how much of time passed from last season, I thought I’d share something about something you folks might be interested in that I’ve come across but really doesn’t impact THIS season.

 

So I shared and found out that this is board is a lot like the experience of engaging with all the ***** on Twitter.

 

So call me thin-skinned, call me a ***** #######, or tell me that I suck, or don’t know anything, I’ll be fine with it, because it’s all been directed at me on the Twitter.

Thing is, I don’t need to go through it twice. 

So this IS my last post.

 

See ya.

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

Signs do point to Daboll wanting out.

 

Flores lawsuit mentions that Daboll wanted out of Buffalo, even if it wasn’t for a head coach job. In other words, he would consider a lateral job move.

Because he knew he wouldn't be a HC in Buffalo any time soon and he'd already been an OC for 3 years... Anyone with a desire for upward mobility would wanna go somewhere that provides a chance to do that.

 

At this point, Buffalo presents an opportunity for a coordinator to get their name out there, not to take over a team.

[Einstein]

34 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Because he knew he wouldn't be a HC in Buffalo any time soon and he'd already been an OC for 3 years... Anyone with a desire for upward mobility would wanna go somewhere that provides a chance to do that.

 

At this point, Buffalo presents an opportunity for a coordinator to get their name out there, not to take over a team.

 

That makes absolutely no sense.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

well the QB has regressed here and Daboll has a better record with less talent in his next stop

 

But Dabolls offense did struggle once In Jacksonville lol

 

 

 

They struggled ONCE?

 

They lost OTHER games where they scored just 10, 15 and 16 in falling to 7-6.

 

The Bills offense this season has been more productive against a better schedule..........they've not had a scoring performance as low as those 6, 10, 15 or 16 Daboll doozies yet...........despite Allen turning the ball over like crazy in the red zone this year when he had rarely done so the prior 3 seasons.

 

I don't wish Daboll ill but he is getting fellated  like 2016 Ben McAdoo here.   

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 hour ago, SUNY_amherst said:

well the QB has regressed here and Daboll has a better record with less talent in his next stop

 

But Dabolls offense did struggle once In Jacksonville lol

 

 

2022 Bills offense- 424 ypg 27.8 ppg

2021 Bills offense- 382 ypg 28.4 ppg

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

2022 Bills offense- 424 ypg 27.8 ppg

2021 Bills offense- 382 ypg 28.4 ppg

Is that for the whole season last year with the most incredible weather games in memory?

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

Is that for the whole season last year with the most incredible weather games in memory?

Yes, that's third year Daboll's offense of 2021 vs rookie Dorsey's half finished 2022 campaign, which also happens to include about 6 quarters of his offense sitting due to blowouts.