Josh Allen leads NFL in interceptions

[Big Turk]

6 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

Yep. I'm seeing some of that. Of course, Mahomes had his similar stretch last year, trying to make the big play when defenses were oriented around stopping it. 

I'm not worried. Yet.

The Eagles low turnover rate = not sustainable. Sometimes it really is just luck.

 

Maybe, but it points to a concerted effort by everyone and especially the QB NOT to make careless plays.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

Maybe, but it points to a concerted effort by everyone and especially the QB NOT to make careless plays.

He's not seeing the field like earlier in the year. The INTs he's throwing could've been avoided by taking simpler throws. Is he going through his progressions? This helped Mahomes with his yips.

[Big Turk]

35 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

He's not seeing the field like earlier in the year. The INTs he's throwing could've been avoided by taking simpler throws. Is he going through his progressions? This helped Mahomes with his yips.

 

I mean he had 3 "layups" on the final play. THREE! most teams scheme their asses off to get ONE on any given play!

 

Checkdown to Motor for an easy 6 or 7 at least if not a FD

Allen running for an easy FD if not a TD with only one player who was offset to his right and wide open green in front of him.

Morris crossing wide open over the middle around the 10 yard line for a FD.

 

Why he forced a throw when he had those options available is the question.  Why is he constantly trying to score on every play?  Much better mindset than taking checkdowns every play like Captain Checkdown Edwards, but it has to be done smartly like in the Ram and Titan games.  Allen seemingly wants it to be the Steelers game every game now and go bombs away.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Big Turk

[without a drought]

3 hours ago, Big Turk said:

Bills are also tied for second in the NFL in most turnovers with 18 with the Colts. Only New Orleans with 19 has more. 

 

Too careless with the ball. Philadelphia only has 3 all season. The Bills have multiple games with more turnovers than the Eagles do all year.

Pretty much all that needs to be said. 

[BBills_88]

Josh is going to go on a 13 game streak were he does not throw a INT. 

[Jauronimo]

In my opinion, leading the league in interceptions is not very good.  I'll hang up and listen as to why this is Tre'Davious White's fault.

[Turbo44]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

I mean he had 3 "layups" on the final play. THREE! most teams scheme their asses off to get ONE on any given play!

 

Checkdown to Motor for an easy 6 or 7 at least if not a FD

Allen running for an easy FD if not a TD with only one player who was offset to his right and wide open green in front of him.

Morris crossing wide open over the middle around the 10 yard line for a FD.

 

Why he forced a throw when he had those options available is the question.  Why is he constantly trying to score on every play?  Much better mindset than taking checkdowns every play like Captain Checkdown Edwards, but it has to be done smartly like in the Ram and Titan games.  Allen seemingly wants it to be the Steelers game every game now and go bombs away.

It's been speculated that Davis was supposed to cut across the goal line (to where the ball was thrown) instead of fading into the endzone.  In saying that, 20/20 hindsight says he should have checked down.  Although none of us were complaining about him throwing into the endzone to Gabe from 20+ yards out last year vs KC.  Terrible way to end the game, but, just one of about 10 things we fcked up during the game that caused us to lose

[Big Turk]

8 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

In my opinion, leading the league in interceptions is not very good.  I'll hang up and listen as to why this is Tre'Davious White's fault.

 

Funnily enough Mahomes has 7, 3 less than Allen and nobody is crucifying him.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Big Turk

[Jauronimo]

7 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Funnily enough Mahomes has 7, 3 less than Allen and nobody is crucifying him.

You disagree that leading the league in INTs isn't very good?  Allen also has 8 fumbles, 3 of them lost.  Mahomes has 3 fumbles, zero lost.  13 turnovers to 7. Kind of a big deal.

Edited November 14, 2022 by Jauronimo

[LABILLBACKER]

Since the start of the 2021 season, Josh leads all qbs in total interceptions. 

[Jauronimo]

Just now, LABILLBACKER said:

Since the start of the 2021 season, Josh leads all qbs in total interceptions. 

Thats 5 times.  No need for a sixth.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

sure is a lot of crying going on around this joint.

4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Josh Allen since the start of the 2021 season leads all NFL qbs in interceptions. Wow

Josh Allen since the start of the 2021 season leads all NFL qbs in interceptions. Wow

Josh Allen since the start of the 2021 season leads all NFL qbs in interceptions. Wow

Josh Allen since the start of the 2021 season leads all NFL qbs in interceptions. Wow

 

2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Since the start of the 2021 season, Josh leads all qbs in total interceptions. 

 

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

You disagree that leading the league in INTs isn't very good?  Allen also has 8 fumbles, 5 of them lost.  Mahomes has 3 fumbles, zero lost.  15 turnovers to 7. Kind of a big deal.

I'm not saying it's acceptable, but the Chiefs don't require their QB to also be their leading rusher.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, GoBills808 said:

I'm not saying it's acceptable, but the Chiefs don't require their QB to also be their leading rusher.

We could do more to help Allen. 100% agreed.  Allen can also do way more to help himself.  He went full Tony Romo yesterday with the game on the line.  You never go full Tony Romo.  

[msw2112]

Allen has had a bad stretch where he's forced too many throws, which have resulted in interceptions.  Many of these have come at critical times and have cost the team a couple of games.  He's still one of the best players in the NFL, and among the top 3 players any GM would take if they were starting a franchise and could pick any player they wanted off of an NFL roster.  Josh is a humble guy and a hard worker.  I believe he will sit down with the coaching staff and work this out of his game.  The Bills' road to home field and the SB has gotten much more difficult, as they now have to make up a game on KC and others.  Those early wins against KC, Tennessee and Baltimore could loom huge down the road when it comes to playoff seeding (and if we end up behind KC, the Baltimore and Tennessee wins will still be huge).

 

I believe that the Bills will beat Miami and the Jets in their rematches, right the ship, and win the AFC East.  I don't think they'll catch KC for the 1st seed in the AFC and will probably be back at Arrowhead in the AFC Championship.

 

All that said, this was among the most painful losses in franchise history.  It was truly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  Perhaps I need counseling and/or medication, but I had trouble sleeping last night because of the loss.  That had not happened since 13 seconds.  That one took a couple of weeks for me to get out of my system.  Given that this one was before the midpoint of the season and there's a game on Sunday, I think this one will be gone much sooner.  The Browns and Lions are two very winnable games and the Bills should be 8-3 in a couple of weeks with their confidence and swagger back for the home stretch.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

I mean he had 3 "layups" on the final play. THREE! most teams scheme their asses off to get ONE on any given play!

 

Checkdown to Motor for an easy 6 or 7 at least if not a FD

Allen running for an easy FD if not a TD with only one player who was offset to his right and wide open green in front of him.

Morris crossing wide open over the middle around the 10 yard line for a FD.

 

Why he forced a throw when he had those options available is the question.  Why is he constantly trying to score on every play?  Much better mindset than taking checkdowns every play like Captain Checkdown Edwards, but it has to be done smartly like in the Ram and Titan games.  Allen seemingly wants it to be the Steelers game every game now and go bombs away.

Thank you Turk!! He’s going for the 3pt shot to win the game with time left on the clock instead of taking the “layup” to tie the score. 

[HappyDays]

44 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

All that said, this was among the most painful losses in franchise history.  It was truly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

I don't feel this way. It is a regular season game against an NFC opponent. I feel worse about the Jets and Dolphins losses. This is like the Hail Murray game where a non-conference opponent that we clearly outplayed beat us on flukey plays. I think the loss just feels worse because we continued some worrying trends and had about a dozen different chances to win it. If we fix some of those negative trends we'll be fine.

[gobills404]

AND the Bills lead the league in fumbles lost. They’re their own worst enemy.

Edited November 14, 2022 by gobills404

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

19 minutes ago, gobills404 said:

AND the Bills lead the league in fumbles lost. They’re their own worst enemy.

 

Singletary seemed to get hosed on that call to me anyway.  

[msw2112]

 

All that said, this was among the most painful losses in franchise history.  It was truly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

I don't feel this way. It is a regular season game against an NFC opponent. I feel worse about the Jets and Dolphins losses. This is like the Hail Murray game where a non-conference opponent that we clearly outplayed beat us on flukey plays. I think the loss just feels worse because we continued some worrying trends and had about a dozen different chances to win it. If we fix some of those negative trends we'll be fine.

 

The reason I feel this way has nothing to do with the opponent or the impact on the standings.  It's how they responded in key situations.

 

• squandering a big lead later in the game
• failing to take the 3 points on 4th and 2 in the red zone
• throwing the pick on that same 4th and 2
• failing to stop 4th and 18
• fumbling the snap on the goal line to give up a TD
• driving to the 20 in OT with a chance to salvage the win and throwing an unnecssary pick
  • they had all the momentum
  • the Vikings were on their heels
  • there was plenty of time on the clock
  • they had 2 timeouts
  • there were multiple options other than the final throw that was made
  • they were in easy FG range to salvage a tie if it got to 4th and long, which could turn out to a be a key 1/2 game in the sandings.  With a tie, they would still be in 1st place in the AFCE and 2nd in the AFC conference standings.  Instead, they are 3rd in the division and what, 6th or 7th in the AFC.  (So I guess I have to retract my statement that the pain isn't related to impact on the standings.)

 

They had complete control of this game, and had the win in their grasp so many times, and failed to capitalize any of those times.  That's why it was painful.  In contrast, the Miami game was anomoly based on the heat and injuries, and the Jets game was just a clunker.  They were never in a great position to win that game.  The Jets beat them.  Plus, we'll get rematches with the Dolphins and Jets.   In this game, the Bills beat themselves.  There were at least 3 different situations where they had this game won, and failed to deliver.

 

Edited November 14, 2022 by msw2112

[Freak-O]

20 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:

 

Our franchise QB leads the league in interceptions.  What is scary is he should have more if you count all the near INTs.  Is Josh, Carson Wentz?  MVP to collapse overnight?  
 

I think the fame has gotten to him and he is pressing because of it.  Hero ball.  Some can handle it, others can’t.  Sad

I’m pretty sure all the others on the list could also have more interceptions. They could also have fewer, including Josh. What matters is what number they do have. If I know Josh he’s pissed about this and will work hard to correct it. 

[UKBillFan]

14 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

I’m pretty sure all the others on the list could also have more interceptions. They could also have fewer, including Josh. What matters is what number they do have. If I know Josh he’s pissed about this and will work hard to correct it. 

 

He should have been after the Packers. He should have been after the Jets. Nothing's changed.

[Joe Ferguson]

Rams QB led the league in interceptions last year. He WON the Super Bowl.

[Dr.Sack]

Question how often do NFL teams check a players vision? Do they they also check other vision components color blindness, depth perception, peripheral vision?

[transplantbillsfan]

On 11/13/2022 at 12:33 PM, RoscoeParrish said:

 

Our franchise QB leads the league in interceptions.  What is scary is he should have more if you count all the near INTs.  Is Josh, Carson Wentz?  MVP to collapse overnight?  
 

I think the fame has gotten to him and he is pressing because of it.  Hero ball.  Some can handle it, others can’t.  Sad

 

Yes. He is no longer able to handle the fame he already had. 

 

Makes total sense

[Scott7975]

On 11/13/2022 at 5:33 PM, RoscoeParrish said:

 

Our franchise QB leads the league in interceptions.  What is scary is he should have more if you count all the near INTs.  Is Josh, Carson Wentz?  MVP to collapse overnight?  
 

I think the fame has gotten to him and he is pressing because of it.  Hero ball.  Some can handle it, others can’t.  Sad

 

Mahomes had 10 ints in the first 9 games last season.  Did you make a thread about it?

[Scott7975]

On 11/13/2022 at 6:25 PM, RoscoeParrish said:

 

It’s becoming a bad, recurring habit.

 Allen is hurting the team and someone in that locker room needs to have the stones to confront him about it.  The last play he had Singletary wide open for a check down.  

 

FFS for the last time... Singletary was still blocking when Allen made his decision to throw.  Josh already had his arm cocked back by the time Singletary broke the LoS.

On 11/13/2022 at 8:33 PM, Johnnyp566 said:

He’s reckless. Bottom line. Even when he falls to the ground with the ball it often pops out and isn’t secure. He’s just not in the same stratosphere as a Patrick Mahomes. He single handedly costs this team games.  

 

At this point of the season last year Mahomes was 5-4 with the same number of ints and less TDs.

[Eastport bills]

Josh is a multidimensional talent that can overcome this 2 game hiccup with red zone picks. The problem is our defense is leaking oil as well. Coaches should be able to clean up the low percentage decision making and force feed an enhanced run offense with more Hines touches, but the personnel in our secondary is a problem, especially if Elam and White are out or diminished. If we ever needed quality  defensive coaching it’s now.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Josh Allen becomes first player in NFL history to put up this unique statistic for quarterbacks

The Bills quarterback is the first player in NFL history with 100 passing touchdowns and 30 rushing touchdowns in his first four seasons. Allen has 135 total touchdowns in his first four seasons, trailing only Dan Marino (144) for the most in NFL history in that span. 

 

A look at Josh Allen's record-breaking numbers against the Steelers

The record-breaking numbers kept coming for Allen, as he became the first NFL QB this season to surpass 300 yards in the first half of the game. The Bills offense as a whole also made their mark in the first half with 400 yards, and they became the first NFL team to reach 400 yards in the first half since Tampa Bay in 2020.

 

 

First quarterback to do this

Allen is the first starting quarterback to beat Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes twice at Arrowhead Stadium.

 

Best at this in Bills history

Allen now has a 92.9 career passer rating, which is the best in Bills history. He had a 117.6 passer rating against the Chiefs in Week 6. It was the 21st game of his career (minimum 20 passing attempts) with a passer rating of at least 100.

 

The Bills are 20-1 with this stat under Allen

Allen has a 109.1 passer rating to start the 2022 season, which is the second highest in the NFL. His two highest passer ratings this season came in Week 2 against the Titans (128.9) and Week 5 against the Steelers (134.1). The Bills are 20-1 when Allen has a passer rating of at least 100.

Allen also has 96 passing first downs, which ties for the best in the NFL.

 

Josh Allen NFL Records

• First quarterback to rush for at least 95 yards in three consecutive games (Week 12–14, 2018)
• First quarterback with 10 passing touchdowns and 2 rushing touchdowns through three weeks (Week 1–3, 2020)
• First quarterback with 375+ pass yards, 3+ pass touchdowns, 0 interceptions and a 130+ QB rating in multiple games in a single season (Week 2, 9 & 13, 2020)
• Most rushing touchdowns by a quarterback, first 50 starts: 28 (tied with Cam Newton)
• First quarterback in history with at least 100 touchdown passes and 30 rushing touchdowns in first four seasons (2021)
• First quarterback to have 300 passing yards, 60 rushing yards, and five touchdowns passes in a playoff game (2022)
• Highest passer rating in a single postseason: 149.0 (2022)

so he's thrown a few ints. no reason to throw him under the bus with this thread, as the OP has. he will bounce back and set more records. he will only get better.

 

have a nice day!

[msw2112]

Not all interceptions and turnovers are the same.  Ones that occur on the goal line, in the red zone, and in OT are much worse and cost the team games.

 

That said, I agree with you that Allen will bounce back, set more records and get better.

[Captain Caveman]

In your face Space Coyote

[Punching Bag]

On 11/13/2022 at 5:33 PM, RoscoeParrish said:

 

Our franchise QB leads the league in interceptions.  What is scary is he should have more if you count all the near INTs.  Is Josh, Carson Wentz?  MVP to collapse overnight?  
 

I think the fame has gotten to him and he is pressing because of it.  Hero ball.  Some can handle it, others can’t.  Sad

 

He has been throwing them in redzone when he needs to be smart.  Not sure why but not think it is hero ball.

 

Near INTs mean less than nothing, brought up by those with agendas; nears only count in horseshoes and hand grenades.

[Toyo321]

On 11/13/2022 at 5:46 PM, Flucod said:

We have 2 losing teams next and after that not a single team with a losing record. We will be lucky to split the remainder and that does not get us in.

Agreed, with the amount of injuries on this team this year, nothing is a given anymore.  JA17 need to stop drinking his own kool-aid.  He has gotten so drunk on his popularity and success, that he seems to be lacking focus and decision making in games now.  He needs an ass chewing from his coaches to get him to come back down to earth, the rest of the season.  If he doesn't we are in deep trouble.

[RyanC883]

On 11/13/2022 at 5:39 PM, Roundybout said:

And he is our entire offense. I will not blame him for this loss. 

 

he's only the entire offense because Dorsey refuses to run the ball, and Bean forgets to get capable OL.  

[newcam2012]

On 11/15/2022 at 11:39 PM, Scott7975 said:

 

FFS for the last time... Singletary was still blocking when Allen made his decision to throw.  Josh already had his arm cocked back by the time Singletary broke the LoS.

 

At this point of the season last year Mahomes was 5-4 with the same number of ints and less TDs.

Scott, defensively the big difference maker with this team is injuries. This defense is clearly not near the same team without Poyer and Hyde. Also, Elam and Bedford are learning on the fly. 

 

Offensively, the team is inconsistent in running the ball and Allen is playing back yard football which is leading to huge mistakes. One big difference maker is Dorsey. He doesn't seem to wait to or is capable of reigning in Allen. Daboll was able to win that well. 

 

Lastly, coaching isn't nearly as effective. Dorsey was addressed above. He never seems fully committed to the run. Fraizer just will not get out of his nickel defense despite getting gashed by the run. Coach MCD just seems to be a cheerleader now. The halftime adjustments have been terrible. Do say been there been adjustments? 

 

Dies this add up to a midseason slump or the season slipping away? Either way, my confidence in the team isn't the same. The Super Bowl appearance is seemingly further away due to the above. 

[Scott7975]

15 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Scott, defensively the big difference maker with this team is injuries. This defense is clearly not near the same team without Poyer and Hyde. Also, Elam and Bedford are learning on the fly. 

 

Offensively, the team is inconsistent in running the ball and Allen is playing back yard football which is leading to huge mistakes. One big difference maker is Dorsey. He doesn't seem to wait to or is capable of reigning in Allen. Daboll was able to win that well. 

 

Lastly, coaching isn't nearly as effective. Dorsey was addressed above. He never seems fully committed to the run. Fraizer just will not get out of his nickel defense despite getting gashed by the run. Coach MCD just seems to be a cheerleader now. The halftime adjustments have been terrible. Do say been there been adjustments? 

 

Dies this add up to a midseason slump or the season slipping away? Either way, my confidence in the team isn't the same. The Super Bowl appearance is seemingly further away due to the above. 

 

Yeah I agree with most of that. While Allen has his share of mistakes, I do not blame the "hero ball" entirely on him.  Between the oline breaking down in protection on a lot of plays and also the receivers having little to no separation often on those plays he is the only one left to step up and make something happen.  

 

Some people just dont realize how good Allen makes this terrible offense look.  A lot of other QBs in this league would be taking sacks and or punting 15 times a game because the only other option is the checkdown for 2 yards or throwing the ball away. Even our screenplays are blown up from the snap and we dont even run them much.  Thats just bad.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Scott7975

[newcam2012]

48 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yeah I agree with most of that. While Allen has his share of mistakes, I do not blame the "hero ball" entirely on him.  Between the oline breaking down in protection on a lot of plays and also the receivers having little to no separation often on those plays he is the only one left to step up and make something happen.  

 

Some people just dont realize how good Allen makes this terrible offense look.  A lot of other QBs in this league would be taking sacks and or punting 15 times a game because the only other option is the checkdown for 2 yards or throwing the ball away. Even our screenplays are blown up from the snap and we dont even run them much.  Thats just bad.

I agree. I think what you are saying is this team is too reliant on Allen. Its been an issue for awhile now. This year neaidea Diggs who can the Bills look to and count on? Davis and McKenzie have been very inconsistent. Singletary is often an afterthought especially in the second half. Cook os a rookie who seems to struggle and not ready. Shakir looks promising but he's a roomie learning. Knox is receiving limited targets in the Dorsey system. The oline line is average and bit elite. Basically, you are left with Allen and Diggs and praying someone else steps ups each game. As a result, Allen has to almost turn into Superman for the Bills offense to succeed. He is the best WV on the team but he's also the best RB. Subsequently, Allen has to do it all and that's a tough ask. So what do the Bills do? I think they have to commit more to the running game and quick passes. Allen needs to take the checkdowns and then strike deep when it's there. That was the formula early in the seaspn vs the Rams and Titans. I think it can be successful again. 

[2003Contenders]

On 11/16/2022 at 11:34 AM, msw2112 said:

Not all interceptions and turnovers are the same.  Ones that occur on the goal line, in the red zone, and in OT are much worse and cost the team games.

 

That said, I agree with you that Allen will bounce back, set more records and get better.

Agreed. I would also add that INTs are also a reflection of a QB's willingness to take calculated risks. That Josh has thrown a lot of INTs is also an indirect indicator that he has also made some sensational plays by trusting himself (and his teammates) in numerous situations where another QB may not have -- the game winning TD against KC, for example.

 

As a comparison of the opposite extreme, I present to you Tyrod Taylor, who almost NEVER threw INTs -- but was way too timid to ever put the ball in "harm's way". I think we all agree that Josh is the better of the two. He just needs to be smarter about when it is time to take those risks -- and when there is no reason to do so.

 

 

[MJS]

Crazy Matt Ryan has so many. He hasn't even started all the games.

[T master]

I feel there is more to it than that . Josh has a new OC, add to that the new WR's he has plus the lack of the use of their running game & it's new players it's like he gets to a point they abandon what has worked in the running game then he puts him self in hero mode which is the second half when teams have made adjustments .

 

Instead of chilling out & taking what the opponent gives him he's looking to make the BIG PLAY to much and that's what's getting him in trouble he needs to let the other play makers make some plays instead of it being all him all the time . And Dorsey or someone needs to tell him that too .