Need upgrades at WR

[Jerry Jabber]

I hate to say it, but losing Beasley and Sanders has hurt the Bills offense. The dropoff between Beasley and McKenzie has been huge. Since put in the #2 WR role, Davis hasn’t had the same kind of production. 
 

Hopefully Von’s recruitment of OBJ will payoff as we need a #2 WR. If that happens and Davis goes back to being a #3 WR, hopefully his production will go up. In regards to the slot receiver position, hopefully Hines will be used more in that role as McKenzie has underperformed in that role so far this season.

[Dr.Sack]

CBS convinced Allen has a sore arm. Don’t need WRs if your QB can’t throw. 

[Steel City Mafia]

Absolutely. Gabe can’t get open. 

[PolishPrince]

I dont understand why we cant dial up plays to get Knox the ball, or Shakir. Shakir looks good the few times hes been targeted, yet we refuse to use him

[whorlnut]

Our playmakers are very underwhelming beyond Diggs. Our o line is garbage and we have no run game. Seemed Allen was running for his life at the snap more often than not today. Gotta start prioritizing the offense Beane. 

Edited November 6, 2022 by whorlnut

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, PolishPrince said:

I dont understand why we cant dial up plays to get Knox the ball, or Shakir. Shakir looks good the few times hes been targeted, yet we refuse to use him

Knox is good not great. Shaikir is still tbd

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

CBS convinced Allen has a sore arm. Don’t need WRs if your QB can’t throw. 

Based on a play in the last minute of the game. There was a lot of other issues. 

 

I also think the jets got a lot better since they last played. 
 

 

[Returntoglory]

5 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said:

Absolutely. Gabe can’t get open. 

And apparently can't catch!

[Nextmanup]

Some of us have been beating the OBJ drum regularly, all season long.

Now you see why.

 

 

[Dr.Sack]

Did we not think the Jets were going to try to run and clamp down on defense? This was the only way the Jets were going to win and they executed a clean game. The Bills were sloppy again with yet another multi turnover game. 

[whorlnut]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

I’m shocked… these dudes throw scraps at the offense…. It’s not surprising that they struggle when Josh is off. 

Exactly. Enough with the old man football and drafting defense high. This is a passing league and we have a potential all time great qb. Why aren’t we giving him elite weapons all over the offense?

[SirAndrew]

4 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

I dont understand why we cant dial up plays to get Knox the ball, or Shakir. Shakir looks good the few times hes been targeted, yet we refuse to use him

I think McD is too stubborn when it comes to playing rookies. Shakir needs to take over the slot role. McKenzie is a gadget player, and the experiment needs to end. Shakir might not be the guy, but we need to find out. 

[Meatloaf63]

So they rolled Allen out a few times to avoid the rush, but there were no receivers even close. Seemed like too many plays had targets too far up the field and nothing underneath. Either that or Allen has reverted to forcing the ball downfield instead of taking what is given to him.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

I dont understand why we cant dial up plays to get Knox the ball, or Shakir. Shakir looks good the few times hes been targeted, yet we refuse to use him

 

Knox is juts an average TE. Watch him run routes vs. a young and upcoming guy like Goedert. He just doesn't have the skills that the elite TE's do. But people are okay with that i guess because he blocks well supposedly. 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

If Josh doesn’t implode, Bills are 7-1… doesn’t mean OP point isn’t valid, I don’t think Davis is worth a lucrative extension, but the Bills should have won this game. That first pick was inexcusable and turned out to be the difference in the game. The other pick and sack fumble didn’t help.  Gabe dropping that key third down was also a killer, and an argument could be made that a better WR makes that catch at the end of the game.

 

[chongli]

There was some analyst named Nate (didn't catch his last name) on the Bills post-game radio show that said Knox has been invisible this season, despite his high salary. He also said the Bills desperately missed Beasley. He also said this was the first badly-called game of Dorsey (who was in the running last week for coordinator of the year on one show of SiriusXM NFL Radio).

 

Then a caller said the Bills need to spend an early pick on a speed/outside WR who can make plays.

Edited November 6, 2022 by chongli

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

and an argument could be made that a better WR makes that catch at the end of the game.

 

 

I would have like to see Gabe go up for the ball instead of letting it come to him. Also would have like Josh to throw to a receiver that did not have Sauce on him. But still one on one I see why you take the shot. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

I can't complain about players who don't get the ball thrown. Are they not open? I have no idea. But I saw Shakir wide open when he forced it to diggs for what would have been int number 3.

[SCBills]

Dorsey is struggling right now with his game flow and play calling. 
 

Also, he could really benefit from a legitimate WR2.  
 

It’s beyond obvious that against good defenses, Davis and McKenzie are let downs.  Nice complimentary pieces (Davis especially) but not focal points game in / game out.  
 

In a pass heavy offense, your #2 WR needs to be reliable.  
 

Would you rather have Kelce, MVS, Juju and Hardman or Diggs, Davis, McKenzie and Knox. 
 

It’s sad that even after losing Tyreek Hill, I’d take what KC has right now.  
 

We can dunk on teams without good secondary play.  But guys who can cover?… Davis and McKenzie can’t do anything and Dorsey seems unable - so far - to scheme them open. 
 

A lot of TBD posters called out the FO for not addressing WR … and here we are.  Sometimes posters are right. 
 

If OBJ doesn’t come here and be at least 75% of what he was … we need somebody to step up or this offense is, once again, reliant upon Josh Allen being the best player the NFL has ever seen in the playoffs. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 minute ago, chongli said:

There was some guy named Nate (didn't catch his last name) on the Bills post-game radio show that said Knox has been invisible this season, despite his high salary. He also said the Bills desperately missed Beasley. He also said this was the first badly-called game of Dorsey (who was in the running last week for coordinator of the year on one show of SiriusXM NFL Radio).

 

Who knows if this was a badly called game. You don't expect some of the turnovers that Allen had today. The first two things certainly look true. The truth about Knox though is that he is largely the same player he has always been. Yes, his receptions and receiving yards are down but he was never top 10 at the position in those two categories to being with so expectations should have been lower.

[CoudyBills]

11 minutes ago, BadboyBills said:

We just need to execute like how we were before.

Before the last few weeks, teams believed that blitzing Josh would get you killed, because it would.  Lately it has not at all.

[Nelius]

It’s unfortunately very clear that Knox isn’t making the impact that we all expected. Obviously the same can be said for Gabe but that’s been discussed to death. I think most expected both of these guys to make the leap this year. They haven’t, so now go get help.

[ngbills]

20 minutes ago, Steel City Mafia said:

Absolutely. Gabe can’t get open. 

Or catch

Obj needs to be en route now. 

[whorlnut]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Dorsey is struggling right now with his game flow and play calling. 
 

Also, he could really benefit from a legitimate WR2.  
 

It’s beyond obvious that against good defenses, Davis and McKenzie are let downs.  Nice complimentary pieces (Davis especially) but not focal points game in / game out.  
 

In a pass heavy offense, your #2 WR needs to be reliable.  
 

Would you rather have Kelce, MVS, Juju and Hardman or Diggs, Davis, McKenzie and Knox. 
 

It’s sad that even after losing Tyreek Hill, I’d take what KC has right now.  
 

We can dunk on teams without good secondary play.  But guys who can cover?… Davis and McKenzie can’t do anything and Dorsey seems unable - so far - to scheme them open. 
 

A lot of TBD posters called out the FO for not addressing WR … and here we are.  Sometimes posters are right. 
 

If OBJ doesn’t come here and be at least 75% of what he was … we need somebody to step up or this offense is, once again, reliant upon Josh Allen being the best player the NFL has ever seen in the playoffs. 

The writing is on the wall. I’ve been talked off the ledge many times but this is getting crazy. It’s clear we don’t have reliable playmakers outside of Diggs. The neglect on the offensive side is really showing. Yet…McD will see it as we couldn’t stop the run and beg Beane for a DT in the draft. That’s just where we are with a defensive coach…

[HappyDays]

No doubt. It's time to admit that we don't have a true #2 WR on the roster. Davis had an AWFUL game. He has shown himself to be nothing more than a role player.

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Nelius said:

It’s unfortunately very clear that Knox isn’t making the impact that we all expected. Obviously the same can be said for Gabe but that’s been discussed to death. I think most expected both of these guys to make the leap this year. They haven’t, so now go get help.

I have to give Knox a little pass. Losing your brother can really take a bit to get through. 

[Donuts and Doritos]

There's a lot of things off. The O-line blocking, receivers getting open, being on the same page w/ Josh & Josh's reads, accuracy & trust. Doesn't look like an easy fix. Let's hope Josh's arm is ok. All that said, Gabe has been a disappointment this year, I thought he was going to have a monster year but he's wildly inconsistent, same with McKenzie & Shakir. OBJ may not fix everything, but he can't hurt.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Donuts and Doritos

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

33 minutes ago, Nelius said:

It’s unfortunately very clear that Knox isn’t making the impact that we all expected. Obviously the same can be said for Gabe but that’s been discussed to death. I think most expected both of these guys to make the leap this year. They haven’t, so now go get help.

Yeah… I expected Gabe to be the guy that attacks that ball through the defender and brings it down. It hit his chest… the upside is he’s going to be affordable. Didn’t make the leap. 

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yeah… I expected Gabe to be the guy that attacks that ball through the defender and brings it down. It hit his chest… the upside is he’s going to be affordable. Didn’t make the leap. 

Affordable?  Whoever this Gabe Davis is can walk.  
 

Tennessee has a couple WR’s on that team alone that can take his role on a rookie contract.  
 

Biggest issue is finding a WR2.  
 

Knox isn’t it from the TE position.  Good player still… not it. 
 

McKenzie is a joke as a full time slot. 
 

If the Bills are going to be this pass heavy, they need a true WR2 that allows Davis to be the big play threat that can boom or bust game to game without wrecking the offense. 

[HappyDays]

Game on the line, Allen managed to drop a 60 yard pass in the bucket on 4th and 21. We need better than this from our supposed #2 WR. And I don't want to hear complaints about a missed DPI, Davis also pushed off a bit so I'm fine with the refs letting them play on this one. He simply has to make the catch.

[Andy1]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Knox is good not great. Shaikir is still tbd

I agree. I think he has been underperforming this year. His production seems off from last year.

[SCBills]

Just now, HappyDays said:

Game on the line, Allen managed to drop a 60 yard pass in the bucket on 4th and 21. We need better than this from our supposed #2 WR. And I don't want to hear complaints about a missed DPI, Davis also pushed off a bit so I'm fine with the refs letting them play on this one. He simply has to make the catch.

Im going to pretend I didn’t see this, because I’m already irrationally disgusted at Gabe Davis and his lack of growth in this offense .. and I don’t know if I can handle a second replay of that. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 minute ago, Andy1 said:

I agree. I think he has been underperforming this year. His production seems off from last year.

Understandable… but I’m not sure how this needs to be addressed at this level of performance expectation 

[Steptide]

That final throw to Gabe was as perfect a throw as you can get. These wide receivers need a swift kick in the ass. Having said that, Dorsey needs to be a bit more creative with the offense. It's like the only passes Allen has are deep throws or dump offs to singeltary 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Im going to pretend I didn’t see this, because I’m already irrationally disgusted at Gabe Davis and his lack of growth in this offense .. and I don’t know if I can handle a second replay of that. 

thats where To find some disappointment… remember when Chris hogan makes that catch with every fiber of his being??? 
 

 

[GolfandBills]

1 hour ago, Nelius said:

It’s unfortunately very clear that Knox isn’t making the impact that we all expected. Obviously the same can be said for Gabe but that’s been discussed to death. I think most expected both of these guys to make the leap this year. They haven’t, so now go get help.

Buyers remorse on Knox.  That a lot of money for no production.  

[Andy1]

That last throw by Josh was perfect. Hopefully, that is a sign that there was no serious damage to his arm. 
Gabe is an enigma. He can be great, or not.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Andy1

[Mr. WEO]

Making Davis #3 will increase his production? 
 

Anyway, the receivers weren’t the dominant problem today

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

Making Davis #3 will increase his production? 
 

Anyway, the receivers weren’t the dominant problem today

 

Outside of Diggs, who is playing better this year than I've ever seen him, we got next to nothing out of our weapons today. Allen was both the primary issue on offense today AND the only reason we were able to move the ball and score. That's a big problem. Our RBs couldn't rip off big runs, we had zero screen game, no big run after the catch on a single completion.

 

Making Davis the #3 won't increase his production necessarily but it will increase the production of the passing offense as a whole. In fact I think it's arguable he would see his own production increased because we can use him in his preferred role as a vertical only WR who takes advantage of openings created by our other weapons.

[JMM]

2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

I think McD is too stubborn when it comes to playing rookies. Shakir needs to take over the slot role. McKenzie is a gadget player, and the experiment needs to end. Shakir might not be the guy, but we need to find out. 

THIS!!!