Lamar Jackson 3rd and Goal run. What is he doing?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Everyone has been focused on the fourth and goal play. After watching some highlights of the goal line stand I kept going back to the 3rd and goal play. In a got to have it moment it is just an absolutely terrible run. What happens here? Does he get tripped up over his own feet? Or is he making a business decision. I know Lamar isn't 6'5" 240 but that's 6'0" 200lb Damar Hamlin that is in his way. Why doesn't Lamar try to power his way through? Worst case scenario he would probably get inside the one yard line or down to the half yard line. 

 

Also, watching some of Jalen Hurts runs, he's a guy that like Allen would try to bully his way into the end zone in a got to have it situation. Hurts is listed an inch shorter than Lamar and is therefore a little thicker but not much. And supposedly Lamar put on about 20 pounds of muscle this off-season. 

 

Just found this play fascinating. I can't tell if he gets tripped up over his own feet after trying to do a little shake or if he goes down intentionally on his own not just well short of the end zone but well short of the defender. Either way, ditch the shimmy and shake and just bull your way in there. 

 

You can go to the 9:50 mark of the video to see the 3rd down play.

https://youtu.be/a_xvUuFHotQ?t=589

 

[Scott7975]

9 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Everyone has been focused on the fourth and goal play. After watching some highlights of the goal line stand I kept going back to the 3rd and goal play. In a got to have it moment it is just an absolutely terrible run. What happens here? Does he get tripped up over his own feet? Or is he making a business decision. I know Lamar isn't 6'5" 240 but that's 6'0" 200lb Damar Hamlin that is in his way. Why doesn't Lamar try to power his way through? Worst case scenario he would probably get inside the one yard line or down to the half yard line. 

 

Also, watching some of Jalen Hurts runs, he's a guy that like Allen would try to bully his way into the end zone in a got to have it situation. Hurts is listed an inch shorter than Lamar and is therefore a little thicker but not much. And supposedly Lamar put on about 20 pounds of muscle this off-season. 

 

Just found this play fascinating. I can't tell if he gets tripped up over his own feet after trying to do a little shake or if he goes down intentionally on his own not just well short of the end zone but well short of the defender. Either way, ditch the shimmy and shake and just bull your way in there. 

 

You can go to the 9:50 mark of the video to see the 3rd down play.

https://youtu.be/a_xvUuFHotQ?t=589

 

 

I think his right leg tripped on his linemen when he was breaking through the line.  Tough to tell but if you put it in slow speed you can see at least a little leg stutter.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Scott7975

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

18 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I think his right leg tripped on his linemen when he was breaking through the line.  Tough to tell but if you put it in slow speed you can see at least a little leg stutter.

 

There is a lot of leg stutter but I went back and looked and I don't believe he gets tripped up on a lineman. 

[Scott7975]

2 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

There is a lot of leg stutter but I went back and looked and I don't believe he gets tripped up on a lineman. 

 

Yeah its tough to tell.  If he stumbled there it would explain it as him losing balance and that is why he went down. The only other explanation I could see is if it really was a business decision and he knew he wasnt going to make it.  I dont think the dude is a good QB but he is an amazing athlete and I would expect that he would try to juke some shoes there normally but I dunno.  Wish we had an endzone angle on it.  Could probably tell for sure then.

[Motorin']

34 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

He was about to get killed. 

 

Damar Hamlin happened.

[Coach Tuesday]

Soaking wet field.

[Buffalo Boy]

    He is who we thought he was….and he let us off the hook!!!!😎

    You say LJ vs JA and I say: 

     Not physically punishing like JA ( which is an attitude backed up by physicality)

     Doesn’t throw well outside the hashes….still.

     As with the Miami game, we were losing the game, they weren’t winning it. When we decided to turn it on we were the better team…. With the better QB

 

[Buffalo Junction]

1 hour ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Yeah its tough to tell.  If he stumbled there it would explain it as him losing balance and that is why he went down. The only other explanation I could see is if it really was a business decision and he knew he wasnt going to make it.  I dont think the dude is a good QB but he is an amazing athlete and I would expect that he would try to juke some shoes there normally but I dunno.  Wish we had an endzone angle on it.  Could probably tell for sure then.

They may have gotten in his head a bit. He and Dobbins weren’t really able to juke effectively in the second half which lead to additional hits. He may have just decided to cut the loss, not risk a fumble, and move on to the next play. Only person who really knows is Jackson. 🤷‍♂️ 

[Rochesterfan]

Personally - I think when Jackson was pressured on the pass rush - he thought he was going to break through with an easy pass to the end zone.  Hamlin read the play and was super aggressive in attacking the LOS and I think that caught Jackson by surprise.

 

I think Jackson then looked to bust to his right away from Hamlin and saw Poyer coming to that side.

 

He then stutter steps and looks to cut back - hoping Hamlin over pursues, but catches a toe and sort of stumbles down.

 

I mostly think he was not expecting the speed and athleticism of the 2 safeties to come up and be in position to stop him and that got his feet out moving his head in a crucial spot and down he goes.  
 

I also believe his previous run - which got them to the 10 - he outflanked Edmunds and did that little stop to let Edmunds over pursue and cut off that and he got drilled by Milano flying in as Edmunds stayed in position.  I think he had that in his mind as he saw Hamlin coming and Poyer to the right side and again his brain got ahead of his feet and he tripped himself up.

[Real McClappy]

Watching that 2nd and goal play prior and Milano = just wow!

[BillsPride12]

5 hours ago, Buffalo619 said:

He was about to get killed. 

We have been spoiled by watching Josh 

[Ya Digg?]

Running over guys isn’t Lamar’s game. He avoids big hits, doesn’t take them on. When he realized he wasn’t going to score he got down

[Mickey]

Whether he was tripped up or not, he lost his balance trying to maneuver through the line and had no time to recover before having to make a move on Hamlin. His weight was out over his feet too far. 

[boyst]

7 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Everyone has been focused on the fourth and goal play. After watching some highlights of the goal line stand I kept going back to the 3rd and goal play. In a got to have it moment it is just an absolutely terrible run. What happens here? Does he get tripped up over his own feet? Or is he making a business decision. I know Lamar isn't 6'5" 240 but that's 6'0" 200lb Damar Hamlin that is in his way. Why doesn't Lamar try to power his way through? Worst case scenario he would probably get inside the one yard line or down to the half yard line. 

 

Also, watching some of Jalen Hurts runs, he's a guy that like Allen would try to bully his way into the end zone in a got to have it situation. Hurts is listed an inch shorter than Lamar and is therefore a little thicker but not much. And supposedly Lamar put on about 20 pounds of muscle this off-season. 

 

Just found this play fascinating. I can't tell if he gets tripped up over his own feet after trying to do a little shake or if he goes down intentionally on his own not just well short of the end zone but well short of the defender. Either way, ditch the shimmy and shake and just bull your way in there. 

 

You can go to the 9:50 mark of the video to see the 3rd down play.

https://youtu.be/a_xvUuFHotQ?t=589

 

and in ever still you can find you see the Ravens OL holding like crazy. the OL has his hand under the defenders arm and holding him.

[Beerball]

37 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Running over guys isn’t Lamar’s game. He avoids big hits, doesn’t take them on. When he realized he wasn’t going to score he got down

Anyone who doesn't realize this did not watch the game. He's a very good QB, but he is not going to put his body on the line. Think about the sideline play where we tried to extend the ball past the first down marker. That's just one of several examples from that game. He is going to go down or OOB to avoid a hit and it doesn't seem to matter "how important" a particular first down would be. That's not in stark contrast to many other QBs, but it is when you're on the same field with Allen. Is he a kitty? No. Is he protecting his assets? Yes.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Beerball

[Franco_92]

Lamar, who was already muscular, did not put on 20 lbs of muscle in a 6 month offseason lol

[wjag]

6 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Everyone has been focused on the fourth and goal play. After watching some highlights of the goal line stand I kept going back to the 3rd and goal play. In a got to have it moment it is just an absolutely terrible run. What happens here? Does he get tripped up over his own feet? Or is he making a business decision. I know Lamar isn't 6'5" 240 but that's 6'0" 200lb Damar Hamlin that is in his way. Why doesn't Lamar try to power his way through? Worst case scenario he would probably get inside the one yard line or down to the half yard line. 

 

Also, watching some of Jalen Hurts runs, he's a guy that like Allen would try to bully his way into the end zone in a got to have it situation. Hurts is listed an inch shorter than Lamar and is therefore a little thicker but not much. And supposedly Lamar put on about 20 pounds of muscle this off-season. 

 

Just found this play fascinating. I can't tell if he gets tripped up over his own feet after trying to do a little shake or if he goes down intentionally on his own not just well short of the end zone but well short of the defender. Either way, ditch the shimmy and shake and just bull your way in there. 

 

You can go to the 9:50 mark of the video to see the 3rd down play.

https://youtu.be/a_xvUuFHotQ?t=589

 

 

I was Monday Morning QBing this with some Ravens fans.  I also said the 3rd down play was the big play.  My sense is he slipped on the wet turf.  The play was a designed pass and he ran late.  Looking at this pix, a WR is alone on the "V".  But my guess was that was only after he decided to run.

[Buffalo03]

7 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Everyone has been focused on the fourth and goal play. After watching some highlights of the goal line stand I kept going back to the 3rd and goal play. In a got to have it moment it is just an absolutely terrible run. What happens here? Does he get tripped up over his own feet? Or is he making a business decision. I know Lamar isn't 6'5" 240 but that's 6'0" 200lb Damar Hamlin that is in his way. Why doesn't Lamar try to power his way through? Worst case scenario he would probably get inside the one yard line or down to the half yard line. 

 

Also, watching some of Jalen Hurts runs, he's a guy that like Allen would try to bully his way into the end zone in a got to have it situation. Hurts is listed an inch shorter than Lamar and is therefore a little thicker but not much. And supposedly Lamar put on about 20 pounds of muscle this off-season. 

 

Just found this play fascinating. I can't tell if he gets tripped up over his own feet after trying to do a little shake or if he goes down intentionally on his own not just well short of the end zone but well short of the defender. Either way, ditch the shimmy and shake and just bull your way in there. 

 

You can go to the 9:50 mark of the video to see the 3rd down play.

https://youtu.be/a_xvUuFHotQ?t=589

 

Honestly, I don't think there was much of a chance for him there. Even if he tries to bulldoze his way in I don't think they are letting him get in

[Teddy KGB]

Who knows ESPN keeps telling me he’s the bestest and should make more than Josh Allen 🤮

Edited October 5, 2022 by Teddy KGB

[CorkScrewHill]

6 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

Who knows ESPN keeps telling me he’s the bestest and should make more than Josh Allen 🤮

He will make more than Josh because he wants the stash and he is signing two years later UNLESS he gets hurt which explains his desire to protect himself

[Big Turk]

Honestly surprised he didn't just take off to his left and try and outrun everyone...tons of green that way and only one real player with a shot at him with a blocker out there for him tho.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:

Honestly, I don't think there was much of a chance for him there. Even if he tries to bulldoze his way in I don't think they are letting him get in

 

Probably not but worst case scenario he would be at the one or even half yard line. Maybe gives them much better odds on 4th and goal to punch it in on the ground from there. Or a hard play action up the middle boot leg. 

[MJS]

I think he just kind of tripped and fell.

[Billsfan1972]

9 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Everyone has been focused on the fourth and goal play. After watching some highlights of the goal line stand I kept going back to the 3rd and goal play. In a got to have it moment it is just an absolutely terrible run. What happens here? Does he get tripped up over his own feet? Or is he making a business decision. I know Lamar isn't 6'5" 240 but that's 6'0" 200lb Damar Hamlin that is in his way. Why doesn't Lamar try to power his way through? Worst case scenario he would probably get inside the one yard line or down to the half yard line. 

 

Also, watching some of Jalen Hurts runs, he's a guy that like Allen would try to bully his way into the end zone in a got to have it situation. Hurts is listed an inch shorter than Lamar and is therefore a little thicker but not much. And supposedly Lamar put on about 20 pounds of muscle this off-season. 

 

Just found this play fascinating. I can't tell if he gets tripped up over his own feet after trying to do a little shake or if he goes down intentionally on his own not just well short of the end zone but well short of the defender. Either way, ditch the shimmy and shake and just bull your way in there. 

 

You can go to the 9:50 mark of the video to see the 3rd down play.

https://youtu.be/a_xvUuFHotQ?t=589

 

I said it elsewhere but great screen shot as there's a player wide open right in front of him.  Mahomes certainly make the throw and probably Allen too.

[boyst]

26 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I said it elsewhere but great screen shot as there's a player wide open right in front of him.  Mahomes certainly make the throw and probably Allen too.

with the game on the line most NFL QB's would make that throw. we saw fitz make those throws often - sometiems making it sometimes not.

 

that's pass was one you must make and take to win a game. lamar didn't see it, or worse - didn't choose it.

[Scott7975]

30 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I said it elsewhere but great screen shot as there's a player wide open right in front of him.  Mahomes certainly make the throw and probably Allen too.

 

Mahomies definitely makes that flip.  Allen might just decide to bull doze his way there at that point.

[Billsfan1972]

4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Mahomies definitely makes that flip.  Allen might just decide to bull doze his way there at that point.

I'd think Allen makes the throw, but regardless does not go down like Lamar did.  

 

Trying to not be too negative about Lamar,  but there were a number  of mistakes on third and fourth down.

[Low Positive]

8 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

with the game on the line most NFL QB's would make that throw. we saw fitz make those throws often - sometiems making it sometimes not.

 

that's pass was one you must make and take to win a game. lamar didn't see it, or worse - didn't choose it.

I just went and watched the video. That guy doesn't come that open until the safety (Poyer I think but I can't see the number) comes off of him to come up top play Lamar as a runner. By that point he wasn't looking downfield anymore. Mahomes might have flipped it to him, but that's not Lamar's game. And Lamar gave himself up to avoid the hit because he was gonna get drilled short of the goal line anyway.

[Billz4ever]

2 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

He will make more than Josh because he wants the stash and he is signing two years later UNLESS he gets hurt which explains his desire to protect himself

I don't know if Lamar gets that kind of money if Baltimore keeps folding in the second half of games.

 

Teams are clearly making adjustments at halftime and Lamar's second half against the Dolphins and Bills were nothing like the first half.

 

I think he had 36 yds and 2 picks in the second half against the Bills.

[Low Positive]

4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

I don't know if Lamar gets that kind of money if Baltimore keeps folding in the second half of games.

 

Teams are clearly making adjustments at halftime and Lamar's second half against the Dolphins and Bills were nothing like the first half.

 

I think he had 36 yds and 2 picks in the second half against the Bills.

I just went an looked at the game book and you're right. 36 yards passing and 2 picks. 

[Nextmanup]

It's not that strange of a play.

He decided to run, but the space he thought he saw quickly closed, and he made the decision "I am not going to get to the end zone" at which point he "went down" slightly awkwardly head first, rather than take the brunt of the tackle/hit.

 

I don't see anything wrong with it, or weird about it.

 

 

[Billsfan1972]

16 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

I just went and watched the video. That guy doesn't come that open until the safety (Poyer I think but I can't see the number) comes off of him to come up top play Lamar as a runner. By that point he wasn't looking downfield anymore. Mahomes might have flipped it to him, but that's not Lamar's game. And Lamar gave himself up to avoid the hit because he was gonna get drilled short of the goal line anyway.

Yes Poyer came off.  That's the point, he no longer was looking downfield which is an issue.

[SCBills]

3 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Who knows ESPN keeps telling me he’s the bestest and should make more than Josh Allen 🤮

 

Josh Allen says he should make more money than Josh Allen.

 

It's just the nature of next guy up.   Also.. I low key love guys like Josh and Von pressuring the Ravens to give Lamar a $50M+ contract... just less money to spend elsewhere. 

[Low Positive]

12 minutes ago, Billsfan1972 said:

Yes Poyer came off.  That's the point, he no longer was looking downfield which is an issue.

Poyer could come off the receiver because the book on Lamar is that once he tucks the ball and starts running forward, he becomes a running back. Against Mahomes, I think he would have stayed on the receiver and Hamiln would have had to defend the runner one on one.

[djp14150]

10 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Everyone has been focused on the fourth and goal play. After watching some highlights of the goal line stand I kept going back to the 3rd and goal play. In a got to have it moment it is just an absolutely terrible run. What happens here? Does he get tripped up over his own feet? Or is he making a business decision. I know Lamar isn't 6'5" 240 but that's 6'0" 200lb Damar Hamlin that is in his way. Why doesn't Lamar try to power his way through? Worst case scenario he would probably get inside the one yard line or down to the half yard line. 

 

Also, watching some of Jalen Hurts runs, he's a guy that like Allen would try to bully his way into the end zone in a got to have it situation. Hurts is listed an inch shorter than Lamar and is therefore a little thicker but not much. And supposedly Lamar put on about 20 pounds of muscle this off-season. 

 

Just found this play fascinating. I can't tell if he gets tripped up over his own feet after trying to do a little shake or if he goes down intentionally on his own not just well short of the end zone but well short of the defender. Either way, ditch the shimmy and shake and just bull your way in there. 

 

You can go to the 9:50 mark of the video to see the 3rd down play.

https://youtu.be/a_xvUuFHotQ?t=589

 

 

he has 2 white shirts near him and he will get hammered.

 

it was also a very wet field…it looked like he lost his foot.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, Billsfan1972 said:

I'd think Allen makes the throw, but regardless does not go down like Lamar did.  

 

Trying to not be too negative about Lamar,  but there were a number  of mistakes on third and fourth down.

He slipped and fell.  It happened to Allen in the Titans game last year.  Hell, it happened to Allen in Miami on 4th down, he seemed to lose his footing mid-throw.  It happens.  That Lamar play was a fluke, he scores there 99% of the time.

[Billsfan1972]

3 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

He slipped and fell.  It happened to Allen in the Titans game last year.  Hell, it happened to Allen in Miami on 4th down, he seemed to lose his footing mid-throw.  It happens.  That Lamar play was a fluke, he scores there 99% of the time.

I watched it a # of times and he went down (or was going to be tackled regardless.  He missed seeing an open receiver right in front of him.

 

This is a typical Lamar excuse.

Edited October 5, 2022 by Billsfan1972

[Kaenon]

He tripped.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

1 hour ago, Nextmanup said:

It's not that strange of a play.

He decided to run, but the space he thought he saw quickly closed, and he made the decision "I am not going to get to the end zone" at which point he "went down" slightly awkwardly head first, rather than take the brunt of the tackle/hit.

 

I don't see anything wrong with it, or weird about it.

 

 

I suppose it’s normal for most quarterbacks I guess I’m just thinking about what Allen and Jalen Hurts would do here in contrast.

[RoyBatty is alive]

Its obvious, he didnt want to get killed going for a TD. 

 

MAYBE if it was 4th down he would have tried.

 

If that was Allen he goes for it and score.