Cowherd killing Bills coaching in his monologue

[Solomon Grundy]

27 minutes ago, zow2 said:

In a nutshell,  

Bills have a defensive coach. Allen is being used like Cam in Carolina.

6 years in, No ability to run the ball unless it’s Allen.  

No ability to create offense outside of Allen.

This can’t last with Allen. He will age out overnight down the road like Cam or Big Ben.

Great knockout punch but Only the Texans are as bad as Buffalo in close games since beginning of last year.

Not a fluke, happens because QB is exhausted and gets sloppy at the end from being overused.

 

 

Wasn’t Deangelo Williams playing with Cam?

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

He makes the point that when you watch the Bills it's very obvious that the offense relies almost entirely on the skills of Allen, whereas when you watch the Chiefs or now the Eagles move the ball you can see how the scheme and play designs positively impact their offenses.

 

It starts up front for me. So many of our plays end up with Josh having to improvise because we don't hold blocks. The Eagles have one of the best offensive lines in the league and their GM has always believed in fortifying the trenches. I wouldn't like to put a percentage on the number of plays last night that ended up being run as they were drawn up, but it wasn't many. 

 

Even before the injuries Miami were getting rushers at Allen on most snaps. 

[BillsSbSoon]

He’s not wrong with the cam comparison. I’ve been saying this for a couple years now. Do we want Allen for 6-7 more years or 12-15. They way he is used now it is not sustainable

[TheBrownBear]

Cowherd is paid handsomely to say idiotic things to stir up fanbases.  I'm not taking the bait.

 

But I'm not a Pollyanna, either.  This team has real issues at this point (BTW, all teams do), which I see as the following:

 

1. Injuries

2. Short yardage situations

3. Traditional RB-lead running game

4. Situational football (end game, 2 minute drill, etc.)

 

Obviously, we can't do anything about the injuries, and on a day like yesterday, they clearly negatively enhanced all of the issues listed below it.  Presumably, Morse is a short term issue and we should be able to improve in the running game with additional lineup continuity, a greater commitment to actually running the ball and smarter usage of the running back rotation.  We saw what Devin could do late last year when we commit to running the ball and the offensive line, when healthy, should be improved over what we were trotting out there last December/January. 

 

The other issues? Yes, the coaches have to scheme a better way of attacking 3rd and 4th and short situations, and situational football definitely falls on the coaching staff.   I'm sure they are practicing it, but it's certainly surprising to see a veteran team (looking at you Frazier and D) with a HOF caliber QB struggle in those late game and end of half situations.  It needs to get better if we want to win a Super Bowl.

[Scott7975]

22 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

You really have to wonder how bad this team would be without an elite franchise QB.

 

McDermott is just another shade of Dick Jauron, Chan Gailey, etc but he is bailed out because of Allen no matter how many fans defend him and claim otherwise.

 

This is also why JA17 may win his first MVP award this year.

 

He went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor and Nate Peterman as QBs while they had Zay Jones and Kelvin Benjamine as the starting receivers.  Think before you post dingus.  Rick Dennison was the OC who I believe his last job was an offensive line coach for the Vikings.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Scott7975

[pocoboy]

2 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

For the you have to run the ball guys.   Last three Super Bowl Winners and their season rank for yards rushing the year they won.

 

Rams: 25th

TB: 28th

KC: 23rd

 

You can do the same thing with short quick passes as you can running the ball.  The bottom line is you have to outscore your opponents, you dont do that with ground and pound.

 

Then Allen's gotta be clicking at around 75-80% on the short passes, and typically hitting guys in stride. I think that may be the disconnect. It's not enough to just slap it into the 3 yard window of catchability. If they have to adjust & stop at +2, the defense knows they can start out of position and collapse to keep it reasonable. You need to be able to turn 3 yard gains into 12 yard gains. Then the defense respects.

[TheBrownBear]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It starts up front for me. So many of our plays end up with Josh having to improvise because we don't hold blocks. The Eagles have one of the best offensive lines in the league and their GM has always believed in fortifying the trenches. I wouldn't like to put a percentage on the number of plays last night that ended up being run as they were drawn up, but it wasn't many. 

 

Even before the injuries Miami were getting rushers at Allen on most snaps. 

What were the numbers on the Bates signing?  That's starting to look like a mistake.  An old school Bills move of signing a "flash in the pan" guy and hoping he turns into a legit player.  We need to commit serious draft resources to the oline next year.

[Scott7975]

I dont agree the Bills use Allen like Cam but this offense definitely relies totally on Allen.  They have a ***** run game because they wont commit to Singletary and I dont think our line blocks very well.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Scott7975

[ColoradoBills]

Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I think both of those moss runs were out of shotgun too.

 

I'm sure I will be repeating myself this week, but this is what I'm seeing about the run game.

 

These RPO/running plays out of the shotgun are not working the way they hoped for.

I believe that opposing defenses are just rushing towards Josh on every play.  If it's a pass play, they push Josh out of the pocket or rush

his throws.  If it's a run play the disrupt the RB and hit him behind the LOS.

The Josh runs on the RPO is the same thing.  If you are on defense just keep your eyes on Josh.

 

Playing against teams that can't move Josh off his spot is a no brainer.  The Bills will win.

Playing against teams that can do what I said above will be a problem until the Bills can effectively stretch the field laterally with the run game.

Has to be some more plays with Josh under center.  No all of them but just enough to make the D think.

 

I'd like to see a pitch or 2 to Cook to see what that can do.

[McBean]

32 minutes ago, zow2 said:

In a nutshell,  

Bills have a defensive coach. Allen is being used like Cam in Carolina.

6 years in, No ability to run the ball unless it’s Allen.  

No ability to create offense outside of Allen.

This can’t last with Allen. He will age out overnight down the road like Cam or Big Ben.

Great knockout punch but Only the Texans are as bad as Buffalo in close games since beginning of last year.

Not a fluke, happens because QB is exhausted and gets sloppy at the end from being overused.

 

 

Sean Payton.

 

Get him here next year Beane.

 

If not, we are going to waste Allen.

[Awwufelloff]

5 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

He’s not wrong with the cam comparison. I’ve been saying this for a couple years now. Do we want Allen for 6-7 more years or 12-15. They way he is used now it is not sustainable

Yep, blows my mind some people here don't see it. Mcdermott aint it. 

[Billzfan37]

24 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

He’s at least right about is not being able to run the ball.

 

We’ve used two 3rd round picks and a 2nd round pick on RBs in the last 3 years and we still don’t have a guy that can consistently carry the load for 15 or so rushes a game.

Asking Allen to throw it over 60 times is not a recipe for sustained success. 
 

Just commit to Singletary as your lead back and treat him like one. 

 

As Singletary gets chased down from behind by nose tackles...game after game after game...decent first move that can make people miss, but has ankle weights on and can't run.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Billzfan37
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[TheBrownBear]

3 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

Then Allen's gotta be clicking at around 75-80% on the short passes, and typically hitting guys in stride. I think that may be the disconnect. It's not enough to just slap it into the 3 yard window of catchability. If they have to adjust & stop at +2, the defense knows they can start out of position and collapse to keep it reasonable. You need to be able to turn 3 yard gains into 12 yard gains. Then the defense respects.

He actually did that yesterday.  He completed 16 passes to backs for 143 yards.  That's 8.9 ypc on what were essentially extended running plays.  So, it worked.  Where he struggled yesterday was consistently being able to connect on the downfield throws.

[Solomon Grundy]

11 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

They run right finally and Moss goes for 45.

I wondered why they didn’t run more towards Ingram

[GoBills808]

8 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Wasn’t Deangelo Williams playing with Cam?

Also JStew

[Dr.Sack]

1 minute ago, Billzfan37 said:

As Singletart gets chased down from behind by nose tackles...game after game after game...decent first move that can make people miss, but has ankle weights on and can't run.

Moss & Cook only backs to have 30+ yard runs. Singletary does have good 10 yard runs, blocks and caught the ball nicely yesterday. If only he had one more speed gear.

[WideNine]

29 minutes ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

Allen is great in the 2nd half of games, so I don't know about that last point, but in general I agree.

 

Bottom line, the Bills needs to learn how to run the football.

 

Agree.

 

Allen made one of his biggest leaps the year he kept bringing this team back in the 4th quarter.

 

Last year playoff at KC I dare anyone to say he was not clutch.

 

I think both Daboll and Dorsey were a bit pass happy and this team got better with a more balanced attack last year.

 

We brought in Kromer for the OL because he is so good at scheming up runs and run blocking. They need to tap him and get his input.

 

The OL is pretty dinged up right now, but we will see if they start pivoting to a more balanced offensive attack.

 

 

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

I'm sure I will be repeating myself this week, but this is what I'm seeing about the run game.

 

These RPO/running plays out of the shotgun are not working the way they hoped for.

I believe that opposing defenses are just rushing towards Josh on every play.  If it's a pass play, they push Josh out of the pocket or rush

his throws.  If it's a run play the disrupt the RB and hit him behind the LOS.

The Josh runs on the RPO is the same thing.  If you are on defense just keep your eyes on Josh.

 

Playing against teams that can't move Josh off his spot is a no brainer.  The Bills will win.

Playing against teams that can do what I said above will be a problem until the Bills can effectively stretch the field laterally with the run game.

Has to be some more plays with Josh under center.  No all of them but just enough to make the D think.

 

I'd like to see a pitch or 2 to Cook to see what that can do.

 

You're not wrong.  Attack the mesh point - its how you defend RPOs in the backfield.  

[Beast]

That would be a real shame if Allen only lasts 18 years like Roethlisberger.

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, Billzfan37 said:

As Singletary gets chased down from behind by nose tackles...game after game after game...decent first move that can make people miss, but has ankle weights on and can't run.

His speed isn’t being questioned and that’s not even the point. He’s not fast by any means but he’s still our best back right now. 

[Jauronimo]

11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It starts up front for me. So many of our plays end up with Josh having to improvise because we don't hold blocks. The Eagles have one of the best offensive lines in the league and their GM has always believed in fortifying the trenches. I wouldn't like to put a percentage on the number of plays last night that ended up being run as they were drawn up, but it wasn't many. 

 

Even before the injuries Miami were getting rushers at Allen on most snaps. 

But at least we have a defensive line rotation, right? RIGHT?!?

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Yep, blows my mind some people here don't see it. Mcdermott aint it. 

Imagine losing a race with a Ferrari. Somehow the ravens keep over performing with a Jackson bmw. Har is an underrated coach I guess. 

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It starts up front for me. So many of our plays end up with Josh having to improvise because we don't hold blocks. The Eagles have one of the best offensive lines in the league and their GM has always believed in fortifying the trenches. I wouldn't like to put a percentage on the number of plays last night that ended up being run as they were drawn up, but it wasn't many. 

 

Even before the injuries Miami were getting rushers at Allen on most snaps. 

The Chiefs, Cowherd's comparison, have never had a great offensive line and their scheme doesn't necessarily require one.

 

You just can't be dominant at every position group. It's not feasible. The Chiefs have the offensive minds on staff to utilize one of the game's best young QBs to overcome personnel deficiencies in their offense, while the Bills as of yet have not been able to find similar results with arguably a more talented QB.

[pocoboy]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

He actually did that yesterday.  He completed 16 passes to backs for 143 yards.  That's 8.9 ypc on what were essentially extended running plays.  So, it worked.  Where he struggled yesterday was consistently being able to connect on the downfield throws.

 

It's kind of sad that we're here overanalyzing a game where most of the factors in the loss likely came down to mental/physical exhaustion.

 

Short week.

Tropical temps.

1pm start.

 

His misses downfield were often hits, but Diggs and Davis both dropped big opportunities that could have drastically affected the outcome.

 

I tend to agree with the guy above, what you miss are any runs like you got from Moss in that one jaunt down the side. You need outside zone/end runs that can force the corners and OLB's to stay home. Cook is that guy, and you really don't want to end up with 2 conference losses already after next week. It's time to get him Cooking.

[BillyBilliams]

36 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Cowherd is an idiot.

 

33 minutes ago, zow2 said:

He’s a blowhard talking head. But his show is popular nationally and listened to by a lot of people. Even if some here don’t watch or listen. 

 

So he's an idiot for making an honest (and probably true) assessment?  The coaching staff looks brilliant when they win by 30 points.  Anybody can coach when up by a billion.  They crumble when it's a close game in crunch time.  They haven't won a 1 score game since the 27-24 wild card game vs Indy.  This is a big problem.  And what happened?  AGAIN clock management plays a roll. 

[MJS]

9 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

He’s not wrong with the cam comparison. I’ve been saying this for a couple years now. Do we want Allen for 6-7 more years or 12-15. They way he is used now it is not sustainable

Point to Cam all you want, but Cam was injured in the pocket, on roll outs, etc. His injuries to his throwing arm and shoulder were not from scrambling, and that's what did him in.

 

The Cam comparison only works if you disregard all the facts about his actual situation.

[TH3]

35 minutes ago, RobbRiddicksTDLeap said:

How do you generate offense outside of Allen?
 

A run game. A competent run game would have spared a fraction of the blitzes from that garbage Miami defense.
 

Garbage. 

With third string O line? LOL

Edited September 26, 2022 by TH3

[Milanos Milano]

Imagine if we had the colts line and Taylor? Would be unbeatable. 

[appoo]

Allen = Cam is a perhaps the dumbest comp I can think of, other than both of them being large human beings who can throw a football and run. 
 

Allen is a better athlete, and has more arm talent. Cam, when healthy, was a much more of a finesse passer than Allen’s howitzer. 
 

As for the rest, I mean we have so much data in NFL history that close game wins/losses are statistically random and everything eventually reverts to the mean of the population. 
 

There’s almost nothing intrinsically different from what Buffalo does in close games than other teams do. 
 

I mean 99% of the time Josh scores on that drive against the Titans last year, and the Bills TWICE had opportunities to win in the end yesterday.  
 

Sure Allen was exhausted, but he ran like 5 times. He was exhausted because it was a million freakin degrees and the Phins were bllitzing like their lives were on the line. 
 

The whole thing is farcical 

[Milanos Milano]

2 minutes ago, TH3 said:

With third string O line? LOL

Our first string o line is nearly as bad. Josh improvises so much and masks how bad they are. When you can’t establish a run game, you know your line sucks. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by IronMaidenBills

[TH3]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Imagine if we had the colts line and Taylor? Would be unbeatable. 

Gawd...we lost 1 game in truly unique circumstances 

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

Our first string o line is nearly as bad. Josh improvises so much and masks how bad they are. When you can establish a run game, you know your line sucks. 

No....Its not

[MJS]

Just now, BillyBilliams said:

So he's an idiot for making an honest (and probably true) assessment?  The coaching staff looks brilliant when they win by 30 points.  Anybody can coach when up by a billion.  They crumble when it's a close game in crunch time.  They haven't won a 1 score game since the 27-24 wild card game vs Indy.  This is a big problem.  And what happened?  AGAIN clock management plays a roll. 

The players have to execute. The blame is on everyone, including Josh. Just like the credit for success falls on everyone. When we win, it isn't only because of the players. When we lose it isn't only because of McDermott. They all play their part.

 

I didn't see anything in that game that points me to believe that there was some epic coaching failure. The Bills got beat by injuries, heat exhaustion, and failures of execution (which does fall on the players, because clearly the coaches did their jobs and the players didn't execute).

 

The only thing I fault for the coaches is playing Moss too much. But that is a game where you need all of your depth because of the extreme conditions, so if there is ever a game where Moss is going to share the load, that was the one.

[Big Blitz]

14 minutes ago, McBean said:

Sean Payton.

 

Get him here next year Beane.

 

If not, we are going to waste Allen.

 

 

I'm a big McD guy and have been since the team celebrated that huge first down catch vs the Raiders by I think it was Holmes his first season as coach.  

 

My initial reactions after 13 seconds, while needing 24 hours to cool off (that he should have been fired you don't recover from a loss like this - you don't lose like this) - but that thought is still in the back of my mind and until we win a SB hangs over his legacy.  I hate it because he's transform this franchise.  But it's still a business.  And it's a cruel one at times.  

 

Just knowing if this goes south and say this coaching job opens up, it will be the premier destination for any head coach like Payton - and thats a bit comforting honestly.  That hasn't been the case here ever.  

 

Now it won't be open any time soon either and I'm not saying his job is on the line.  

 

But Andy Reid was never "under fire" for losses like we've had the last 2 seasons while he's had peak Mahomes and a much worse defense.  

 

Standards are up everywhere here and that includes the coaching. 

 

I think we need to show much more calm and poise in the close big games then we've been. 

 

And I'd like to see us talk about the playoffs and division and chill out with the SB or bust talk for now.   

Edited September 26, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Logic]

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Imagine if we had the colts line and Taylor? Would be unbeatable. 

Lol

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/27729/colts-heavy-investment-in-offensive-line-not-showing-returns%3fplatform=amp
 

[BillyBilliams]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

The players have to execute. The blame is on everyone, including Josh. Just like the credit for success falls on everyone. When we win, it isn't only because of the players. When we lose it isn't only because of McDermott. They all play their part.

 

I didn't see anything in that game that points me to believe that there was some epic coaching failure. The Bills got beat by injuries, heat exhaustion, and failures of execution (which does fall on the players, because clearly the coaches did their jobs and the players didn't execute).

 

The only thing I fault for the coaches is playing Moss too much. But that is a game where you need all of your depth because of the extreme conditions, so if there is ever a game where Moss is going to share the load, that was the one.

 

We had issues in BOTH end of halves with time management.  That's on the coaches.  Allen had 90 seconds to get the ball 45 yards and couldn't get it done.  That's on him as well.  They were 2 of 4 in goal to go drives, that's on the team.  But I do believe coach Cowher has a point when he says the coaching is doing something wrong when it comes to figuring out how to run the ball.  Moss, Singletary, and Cook are all high draft choices.  None of them (besides the Moss 43 yard run) are able to run the ball effectively.  That's 100% on the coaching and the inability to scheme up run plays to getting these guys space.

[TheBrownBear]

12 minutes ago, BillyBilliams said:

 

 

So he's an idiot for making an honest (and probably true) assessment?  The coaching staff looks brilliant when they win by 30 points.  Anybody can coach when up by a billion.  They crumble when it's a close game in crunch time.  They haven't won a 1 score game since the 27-24 wild card game vs Indy.  This is a big problem.  And what happened?  AGAIN clock management plays a roll. 

Cowherd is an idiot, because he's an idiot.

 

Yesterday wasn't about the coaches' clock management.  We drove down to the 1 yard line and had three plays to win.  It was about execution.  Say what you will about the 2nd down call (and we've debated the need to run plays out of shotgun due to Mancz being in there), but Josh has a short throw to an open receiver on 4th down.  A play he makes 95% of the time.  Can't fault the coaches for Josh turfing it there or Quessenberry taking a holding penalty to take us out of FG range in the final possession.  Yesterday was about a lack of player execution in key moments.  It wasn't about coaching decision making. 

Edited September 26, 2022 by TheBrownBear

[BuffaloMatt]

43 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   I’ve made the Cam comparison numerous times and agree.

   However, Dorsey has decidedly used him less on designed runs than Daboll.   Although, I do think we need to create a better rushing attack.
   Yesterday was a flukey day. It happens. 

Flukey for sure. 

[LABILLBACKER]

Newsflash,  Cowherd is right and Trent Dilfer totally agreed with him. McD in his entire tenure at Buffalo has failed to develop a running game. He expects JA to be 100% of the offense and eventually he'll get hurt.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

I'm a big McD guy and have been since the team celebrated that huge first down catch vs the Raiders by I think it was Holmes?

 

My initial reactions after 13 seconds, while needing 24 hours to cool off (that he should have been fired you don't recover from a loss like this - you don't lose like this) - but that thought is still in the back of my mind and until we win a SB hangs over his legacy.  I hate it because he's transform this franchise.  But it's still a business.  And it's a cruel one at times.  

 

Just knowing if this goes south and say this coaching job opens up, it will be the premier destination for any head coach like Payton - and thats a bit comforting honestly.  That hasn't been the case here ever.  

 

Now it won't be open any time soon either and I'm not saying his job is on the line.  

 

But Andy Reid was never "under fire" for losses like we've had the last 2 seasons while he's had peak Mahomes and a much worse defense.  

 

Standards are up everywhere here and that includes the coaching. 

 

I think we need to show much more calm and poise in the close big games then we've been. 

 

And I'd like to see us talk about the playoffs and division and chill out with the SB or bust talk for now.   

It's just a Trumaine Edmunds situation. McDermott's haters watch the games with hyper focus, looking for any tiny thing that they can point to to continue to build their case against McDermott. Even if McDermott is perfect in every way, they will still point to execution errors by the players to blame McDermott. If we win by 30 it is because of Josh Allen, Leslie Frazier, and Ken Dorsey. It is never because of McDermott. They hate him, and they will never give him any credit, only blame.