Miami home field sun advantage and why this is wrong on so many levels

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

I love my team and wanted to see them win yesterday but on this topic alone Ill say this...The Bills are a billion dollar organization, if they couldnt come up with a plan to prevent a known issue than its on them not the Dolphins.  

 

We held the ball for 40 minutes, twice as long as the Dolphins.  We had long sustained drives...one was 20 play drive.  After the drives, they go back and sit in the sun to continue to bake.  Did you notice it was all offensive players with heat exhaustion?

1 minute ago, Southern_Bills said:

 

I agree,  but you can't preach player safety and turn around and let this go on.

 

Player safety was disregarded yesterday.

 

It will change when someone eventually dies of heat stroke.  That's what's really unfortunate about this situation.

[Billzgobowlin]

11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I will say living in Florida myself this is a big disadvantage.  The Bills should have figured out something to counteract that sun

[ProcessYaDigg]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It will change when someone eventually dies of heat stroke.  That's what's really unfortunate about this situation.

I completely agree with this statement.  It truly does take an unfortunate incident to happen before they'll ever entertain making changes. 

[Adamb412]

I was sitting behind the bills bench and my wife and I were both feeling effects of the heat, so much so that I started feeling sick. We spent the entire third quarter on the concourse where they have giant fans. We went back at the start of the fourth and by the end of the game I nearly passed out and went down to a knee. I must of drank 5 bottles of water just to survive. I can't imagine how athletes doing cardio in direct sunlight feel with 30 pounds of equipment. And don't say they are athletes they are used to it. The human body can't and shouldn't be in that. They need to start moving dolphins September games to either night or after 430pm starts. You could of had a dead football player yesterday. This isn't the same as playing in the winter in buffalo. The winter in buffalo you're heating up your body by playing football in a cold environment and can bundle up with warm clothes. You can't do anything in Miami.  The NFL seriously needs to look into this....

[Southern_Bills]

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

It will change when someone eventually dies of heat stroke.  That's what's really unfortunate about this situation.

I work in industrial plants and sadly it's no different there. 

 

"Safety rules are written in blood" is the truest statement spoken.

[Billever76]

24 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Seriously,  stop complaining like babies.  We lost and played in the same conditions as the Fish

No we did not...our players had no respite from the sun all game...Miami players bench was in the shade the entire game

[LEBills]

I agree, the NFL has had players die of heat related complications in training camp relatively recently (Korey Stringer in 2001).

And no matter how badly you want a roster spot, playing in a game is more physically demanding than practice.

 

The heat was literally making players sick, I wasn’t able to find anything where a freezing cold game did anything similar.

 

We lost based on the rule of the land, but in my 30 years of watching football I can never remember a game like that where players were dropping out with heat. If the temperature is going to be that high, postpone the game to later in the day or another date like you would with a lightning delay.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

It is the only truly one sided, intentional weather related advantage in the league (that I can think of). 

It's messed up. 

People say the Bills have an advantage playing in the cold.....LOL. Both teams are playing in the exact same conditions. 

Having to endure the sun on just one sideline the entire game is nasty. And definitely unfair. 

I'm just pissed we outgained them by a million and ran out of gas because of it. 

 

[Milanos Milano]

Sungate! Next thing you know we will be blaming clouds for loses! 
 

We sucked, end of story. We lose to lesser teams when we shouldn’t, been doing it for years because McD and the team doesn’t have what it takes to be the best yet. We aren’t going anywhere until we get a professional Oline. 

[UConn James]

35 minutes ago, SCBills said:

It is what it is, and it’s not going to change, but people literally die from heat stroke.  
 

Southern high schools and colleges have protocols in place to deal with the heat.  To have a stadium designed to amplify the heat on the opponent is pretty wild.
 

Apparently it’s going to take an Offensive Lineman passing out on the field and being taken to the hospital in an ambulance to have the NFL being called by fans/media to step in.  God forbid someone dies on the field. 

How soon we forget Korey Stringer.

 

His family created a sports science center at my alma mater UConn after he died of exertional heat stroke in 2001 after a Vikings training camp practice where the heat index was 99*  (and reached 110* that day).

 

How the league can continue to schedule mid-day games in Miami & Tampa (tho, yesterday’s game there had a 4:30 start) in the early part of the season just takes a poop on the notion that they care about player safety. 

[CoffeeDrip]

I’m not going to blame the sun for the loss because we had a chance right until the clock hit 0 to win that game. It was, however, startling to see so many players down on the field because of the heat.
 

I understand competitive advantage when it comes to the construction of the stadium but as we continue to have longer, hotter summers this is only going to get worse. NFL needs to step in at some point and delay games due to extreme heat and maybe even extreme cold by extension… Or adjust the scheduling accordingly - it goes back to their selling point of being focused on player safety.

Edited September 26, 2022 by CoffeeDrip

[All_Pro_Bills]

 When the Dolphins visit OP in December somebody should make sure the hot water and heat in the visitors locker room isn't working that day.   

[BananaB]

8 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I will say living in Florida myself this is a big disadvantage.  The Bills should have figured out something to counteract that sun

What could they figure out, if they put up Canopy’s it would of blocked the vision of fans in the front row. So it probably wasn’t even allowed

[PayDaBill$]

https://www.shadedseats.com/seats-shade-sun-hardrock-stadium/

 

look at the staidium orientation, there’s no break from noon - six

 

coincidence i think not

Edited September 26, 2022 by PayDaBill$

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

 

Is this correct?  I'm sure I saw cooling fans on the Bills' sideline and the broadcast team specifically mentioned that the Bills flew in their own cooling benches for the game...

The visiting team is only allowed to use what the home team is using. So if the Dolphins don’t use cooling benches, the Bills cannot use them. Doesn’t matter if they flew them in. 

[ToGoGo]

Not surprised if the Dolphins organization encourages 1pm games early in the year, knowing that they have this advantage. 

 

In Buffalo, BOTH teams suffer in the cold. In Miami, only 1 has to deal with heat exhaustion. 

 

How could you watch the game yesterday and not see that? When have you ever seen so many injuries and unexplainable blunders by 1 team? Have people put 2 and 2 together yet? I'll give some of the posters here a minute. .

[SCBills]

I’m all for making life as difficult as possible for them when they come up here.  
 

Get up 3 scores and then have someone take a 15 yard penalty to yolk up Christian Wilkins. 

[Milanos Milano]

We lost because we are losers. Winners win. Refs, sun, wind, “cheating” , Vegas, injuries, coaching. The excuses never stop. Our roster is just plain not good enough yet. 

[Beast]

It was no issue when we won there in September last season 35-0.

[Buffalo Dude]

Jacksonville and Tampa stadiums do not provide this type of advantage. There’s no roof and so the stadium is not shaded except for some fans. 
 

This type of advantage is only happening in only 1 NFL stadium. 
 

Heat wipes out energy. Look at Josh’s miss in the end zone. Short pass. 

 

When people park in Miami, the first spots taken are the ones with shade, not the closest to the store. Think about that. 

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Beast said:

It was no issue when we won there in September last season 35-0.

Exactly. We lost because we are losers. We lose to teams we shouldn’t. We outplayed them and laid an egg because our team doesn’t have the mental fortitude to close. Most of the issues stem from a bad Oline that Allen’s been covering up for years. 

[Dr. Who]

Just now, Buffalo Dude said:

Jacksonville and Tampa stadiums do not provide this type of advantage. There’s no roof and so the stadium is not shaded except for some fans. 
 

This type of advantage is only happening in only 1 NFL stadium. 
 

Heat wipes out energy. Look at Josh’s miss in the end zone. Short pass. 

 

When people park in Miami, the first spots taken are the ones with shade, not the closest to the store. Think about that. 

Thinking is for losers . . . apparently.

[Billzgobowlin]

9 minutes ago, BananaB said:

What could they figure out, if they put up Canopy’s it would of blocked the vision of fans in the front row. So it probably wasn’t even allowed

We are a billion dollar organization, I am sure that something could have been figured out.  But to that point no one has ever done anything about it.

[Beast]

4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Exactly. We lost because we are losers. We lose to teams we shouldn’t. We outplayed them and laid an egg because our team doesn’t have the mental fortitude to close. Most of the issues stem from a bad Oline that Allen’s been covering up for years. 

 

Well, they lost yesterday but this team left it all out on the field. They have themselves to blame but the effort was top notch.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Exactly. We lost because we are losers. We lose to teams we shouldn’t. We outplayed them and laid an egg because our team doesn’t have the mental fortitude to close. Most of the issues stem from a bad Oline that Allen’s been covering up for years. 

 

Everybody does.  There has only been one undefeated team in the entire existence of the NFL.  

[Matt_In_NH]

suck it up buttercup

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, oldschoolfootball1963 said:

The NFL or players association needs to step in and do something about this. We could have had several players die or be so heat effected that it could effect those players for several games. This is a safety issue. When the dolphins play in buffalo they have the same heaters and cold weather gear and it’s on equal footing. In Miami one team gets to be in the shade the entire game while the other side bakes in the sun. I’ve never been to Hard Rock stadium. But it appears there is some sort of screen or something that keeps their side shady. This is a very unfair advantage that effects the players heath. It would be like the dolphins having to play in leather helmets Vs the Bill's with todays helmet technology. I’m not pissed that we lost. I’m mad about how the sun effected the Bills players more because one team gets the shade while the other team bakes. This needs to stop to protect player safety. 

NFL should mandate that the Dolphins provide overhead tent coverage for visiting teams. This should be brought up by Beanne and Pegula as a safety concern,  I cannot remember a game like that where players were dropping like flies because of the heat & sun.

Edited September 26, 2022 by Niagara Dude

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Everybody does.  There has only been one undefeated team in the entire existence of the NFL.  

I can already see the excuses mounting. If we don’t win a super bowl this year it will be because of “injuries” . Winners win. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

I actually thought Bates suffered heat stroke out there.

[Billever76]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/9ozdxm/the_least_talked_about_most_powerful_unfair_home/

 

 

This is most definitely an unfair advantage for miami....its insane that this isn't brought to the spotlight and even more insane its the first time I've actually pondered this.....unreal how unfair it is....it's akin to having a stadium where the visiting team has no bench and has to stand all game

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

I can already see the excuses mounting. If we don’t win a super bowl this year it will be because of “injuries” . Winners win. 

 

What exactly was my excuse in the last statement?

[Milanos Milano]

The Ravens won the super bowl with Trent Fn Dilfer. We have Josh Allen, come on, so tired of this BS. 

[Matt_In_NH]

17 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:

https://www.shadedseats.com/seats-shade-sun-hardrock-stadium/

 

look at the staidium orientation, there’s no break from noon - six

 

coincidence i think not

The stadium was built with no partial roof, so back then everyone baked.  I went to a game there in 95 degree weather, no clouds, no wind and it was brutal, most of the fans went in the tunnels to watch on TV which is why they built the partial roof.  It worked out to their advantage of course, which would you choose?

[eball]

I love all of the “suck it up” tough guys in this thread.  You’ve obviously never dealt with a heat exhaustion or heat stroke issue in real life.  It’s no joke, and to subject one team to extreme conditions while the other is not is the very definition of cheating and unfair advantage.

 

And we STILL should have won.

 

There is an easy solution; allow cooling tents and fans, and schedule September and October games at 4 pm or later.

 

Eff those effing mother effers.

 

[Milanos Milano]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

 

What exactly was my excuse in the last statement?

It doesn’t matter. No more losing, just win. We outplayed a team and lost. I’m tired of losing when we shouldn’t. This is why we can’t have home field advantages and this is why we don’t sniff super bowl victories. 

[Bruffalo]

Just now, IronMaidenBills said:

The Ravens won the super bowl with Trent Fn Dilfer. We have Josh Allen, come on, so tired of this BS. 

Maybe take a break from the internet for a little while.  You're basically rambling incoherently at this point.  

 

The Bills lost, nobody on this forum likes that.  There were lots of contributing factors.  Claiming that "they're just losers" takes away from actual discussion.  There isn't some divine hand mandating that the Bills lose close games. 

[Son of a K-Gun]

19 minutes ago, Mango said:

The visiting team is only allowed to use what the home team is using. So if the Dolphins don’t use cooling benches, the Bills cannot use them. Doesn’t matter if they flew them in. 

 

Not doubting you one bit, but that is ridiculous...wow NFL.

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

It doesn’t matter. No more losing, just win. We outplayed a team and lost. I’m tired of losing when we shouldn’t. This is why we can’t have home field advantages and this is why we don’t sniff super bowl victories. 

 

You are the most dramatic poster in the history of the internet.  You have no ability to deal with the slightest adversity.  Our team lost a game yesterday and you're having a mental break down.  You're just rambling stupid nonsense over and over and over again.

7 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

Maybe take a break from the internet for a little while.  You're basically rambling incoherently at this point.  

 

The Bills lost, nobody on this forum likes that.  There were lots of contributing factors.  Claiming that "they're just losers" takes away from actual discussion.  There isn't some divine hand mandating that the Bills lose close games. 

100%

Edited September 26, 2022 by Royale with Cheese

[Rc2catch]

2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

The Ravens won the super bowl with Trent Fn Dilfer. We have Josh Allen, come on, so tired of this BS. 

Grow up.. You spew the same stuff over and over. Beane isn’t reading this. 50 O line comments in 24 hours isn’t changing the roster. Worst part is you have some valid points, your delivery is toddler like though. 

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, oldschoolfootball1963 said:

The NFL or players association needs to step in and do something about this. We could have had several players die or be so heat effected that it could effect those players for several games. This is a safety issue. When the dolphins play in buffalo they have the same heaters and cold weather gear and it’s on equal footing. In Miami one team gets to be in the shade the entire game while the other side bakes in the sun. I’ve never been to Hard Rock stadium. But it appears there is some sort of screen or something that keeps their side shady. This is a very unfair advantage that effects the players heath. It would be like the dolphins having to play in leather helmets Vs the Bill's with todays helmet technology. I’m not pissed that we lost. I’m mad about how the sun effected the Bills players more because one team gets the shade while the other team bakes. This needs to stop to protect player safety. 

I haven't read the thread, so I don't know what others have said, but I agree with you.   There are some things that are gamesmanship, things like taking advantage of differences in locker rooms.  The Dolphins probably always wear white at home, because that forces the visitors to wear dark shirts, and that gives the Dolphins an advantage in the hear.  But teams shouldn't be able to manipulate their stadiums to create a built-in advantage for themselves.   The game is premised on, to coin a phrase, a level playing field, and in those conditions yesterday, the field was not level. 

 

Someone, I think it was the Minnesota Twins in the Metrodome, figured out that the ventilation system created a draft, either in from the outfield or out from home plate.   So, they began turning the ventilation on and off every half inning, so that the Twins had the advantage of the draft.   It actually affected play, at least until the league discovered they were doing that and made them stop.  

 

When you're the visiting team and all your headsets die to your coaches in the booth, the home team is required to turn off their headsets until the problem is fixed.   

 

There are a lot of rules to keep the playing field level, and teams in hot climates shouldn't be able to take that advantage.  

 

Why didn't the Bills just bring 30 or 40 pop tents, like tailgaters use, and line the sideline with them?