Augie Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 They should all retire. What is their risk tolerance? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted October 5, 2022 Share Posted October 5, 2022 No way he'll retire. I give it a 1% chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 In theory they should never play the game to begin with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) This same sort of repeated concussion ended my son in laws college football career. He got the exact same advise and followed it. Edited October 6, 2022 by SoCal Deek 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Just hope that Tua is consulting with his family and they are getting various opinions from doctors on this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Omalu is pretty much anti-football in general, so it's not surprising he's the one saying it. There is no way in hell Tua retires now assuming he makes a full recovery from this concussion. I could see it with another major concussion on the heels of this one, but my understanding is that this is the first major concussion he's suffered in his career. People are right to be appalled at how the last two weeks played out for Tua, but this "he should retire" talk is way over the top, imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, BillsNutHawaii said: Dolphins QB Tua Tagovailoa is being encouraged to immediately retire. On a side note, he's from my neighborhood here in Hawaii, (Ewa Beach), so I tend to track him - in case the skeptics think I'm a Dolphins fan in disguise. Details in the following link. https://www.foxnews.com/sports/tua-tagovailoa-retire-nfl-concussion-doctor-says I think this title is a little misleading. OK, it's a LOT misleading. The doctor in question is not a team or personal physician who has examined or treated Tagovailoa and is making a recommendation based upon clinical findings. It's Doctor Bennet Omalu, who first reported the changes caused by CTE in the brains of former football players. He is pretty much of the opinion that tackle football should be ended. He probably thinks every NFL player should retire. Edited October 6, 2022 by Beck Water 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Liston to your doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Omalu is pretty much anti-football in general, so it's not surprising he's the one saying it. There is no way in hell Tua retires now assuming he makes a full recovery from this concussion. I could see it with another major concussion on the heels of this one, but my understanding is that this is the first major concussion he's suffered in his career. People are right to be appalled at how the last two weeks played out for Tua, but this "he should retire" talk is way over the top, imo. It would appear that he had 2 concussions within 4 days. The way he stumbled and collapsed after the Milano shove has to tell any reasonable person that it was his first concussion that we know about. The 2nd concussion was like too much of a "bump" and caution should be used before getting him back on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3437002/joe-burrow-reveals-hes-played-through-concussions-and-has-blacked-out-during-multiple-games So then that means Burrow should retire as well then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Liston to your doctor Or your English teacher. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Just now, 3rdnlng said: Or your English teacher. Or a guy named Sonny Liston…, (sp) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 So a doctor that doesn't know Tua.. didn't examine him and has never even met him.. thinks he should retire.. This is someone attention seeking. Don't give them the attention. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Tua should retire 🤣 what a crock of ***** this is lol. Then half if not all QBS in the league who’s gotten a concussion should retire as well. Concussions are apart of the game always has been and unless they change the rules more in the future, it will always happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Or a guy named Sonny Liston…, (sp) ? But Lipton tea is quite a nice relaxing bedtime drink. With Vodka, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://www.barstoolsports.com/blog/3437002/joe-burrow-reveals-hes-played-through-concussions-and-has-blacked-out-during-multiple-games So then that means Burrow should retire as well then?? If he thinks it's normal not to remember halves of games then yeah maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: If he thinks it's normal not to remember halves of games then yeah maybe. I forgot what I was doing for like half the time while I was pooping. Maybe I should stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 29 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Omalu is pretty much anti-football in general, so it's not surprising he's the one saying it. There is no way in hell Tua retires now assuming he makes a full recovery from this concussion. I could see it with another major concussion on the heels of this one, but my understanding is that this is the first major concussion he's suffered in his career. People are right to be appalled at how the last two weeks played out for Tua, but this "he should retire" talk is way over the top, imo. ultimately it’s up to him. that said, I’d be shocked if he doesn’t have a number of concussions. They all do. This is just his first really visually scary and perhaps his worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 8 minutes ago, Warcodered said: If he thinks it's normal not to remember halves of games then yeah maybe. I've forgotten many of the Bill's whole games in the past. It was intentional. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 13 minutes ago, Malazan said: I forgot what I was doing for like half the time while I was pooping. Maybe I should stop. Or at least write a note somewhere reminding you to wipe your ass. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
die hard bills fan Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 42 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Omalu is pretty much anti-football in general, so it's not surprising he's the one saying it. There is no way in hell Tua retires now assuming he makes a full recovery from this concussion. I could see it with another major concussion on the heels of this one, but my understanding is that this is the first major concussion he's suffered in his career. People are right to be appalled at how the last two weeks played out for Tua, but this "he should retire" talk is way over the top, imo. I don't know. Tua could elect to retire based on medical advice and then sue the hell out of the NFL, Dolphins, medical staff and anyone else involved. Public opinion would be on his side and imagine the amount of money he could get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, die hard bills fan said: I don't know. Tua could elect to retire based on medical advice and then sue the hell out of the NFL, Dolphins, medical staff and anyone else involved. Public opinion would be on his side and imagine the amount of money he could get. Yes, he could do all of that, but, by all accounts, he's a guy that, first and foremost, loves football and wants to play. He's not looking for a payday. He's looking for the opportunity to play the game that he loves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 (edited) On 10/4/2022 at 6:59 PM, DrDare said: You don't know that as we don't have enough information in that tweet. It could just as easily be that he answered every question honestly but in a hostile fashion. Edited October 6, 2022 by Scott7975 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 6 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Yes, he could do all of that, but, by all accounts, he's a guy that, first and foremost, loves football and wants to play. He's not looking for a payday. He's looking for the opportunity to play the game that he loves. He's looking for both. A big payday while playing the game loves. If I'm Tua, no matter how much I love the game, when an expert of Omalu's caliber says he should think about retiring, I would at least give it a little thought. There's a reason Omalu is anti-football and we all know what that reason is. He came into this not having a side, but his experience in this has shown him it doesn't end well for the player nor their family and friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 You’ve seen movies where they catch the spy and then torture him to make him talk? He endures pulled finger nails, broken bones, etc. After tons of punishment, the guy cracks and talks. I tell my wife, you know the guy should have just spilled the beans in the beginning and saved all the torture. He ends up in the same place. That’s Tua. He probably won’t retire but he’s made of glass and he’s going to have an injury riddled career, whether with concussions or other injuries. Either way, he’s not really built to take football punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: He's looking for both. A big payday while playing the game loves. If I'm Tua, no matter how much I love the game, when an expert of Omalu's caliber says he should think about retiring, I would at least give it a little thought. There's a reason Omalu is anti-football and we all know what that reason is. He came into this not having a side, but his experience in this has shown him it doesn't end well for the player nor their family and friends. Dr Will Smith guy is against all football. Of course he would say that. even though the did discover CTE iit s not even a settled science, unfortunately. We still do not now enough about it. Tua got his bell rung hard a few times and probably needs to have that into consideration for the next time it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: He's looking for both. A big payday while playing the game loves. If I'm Tua, no matter how much I love the game, when an expert of Omalu's caliber says he should think about retiring, I would at least give it a little thought. There's a reason Omalu is anti-football and we all know what that reason is. He came into this not having a side, but his experience in this has shown him it doesn't end well for the player nor their family and friends. the doctor has never been in the same room as him. he should be asking doctors about the ranges of outcomes and likelihood. he should be having conversations with those he trusts about what’s important to him. someone who knows nothing of his priorities, and very little about his medical chart should not be telling him what decision to make via the media. That is more about attention than genuine advice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Malazan said: So a doctor that doesn't know Tua.. didn't examine him and has never even met him.. thinks he should retire.. This is someone attention seeking. Don't give them the attention. Omalu is a pathologist. The only way he'd examine Tua is if he had a piece of his brain tissue to put under a microscope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 56 minutes ago, NoSaint said: the doctor has never been in the same room as him. he should be asking doctors about the ranges of outcomes and likelihood. he should be having conversations with those he trusts about what’s important to him. someone who knows nothing of his priorities, and very little about his medical chart should not be telling him what decision to make via the media. That is more about attention than genuine advice. I disagree. Chances are anyone Tua is going to talk to won't know nearly as much about brain trauma and the long term effect on the brain. What does Tua's priorities have anything to do with whether, medically, he should retire or not? From a medical standpoint he either should or shouldn't. Most likely Omalu was probably asked something along the lines of "If Tua asked you what he should do what would you tell him"? Of course he's going to say he should retire, he's seen the end results and the destructive path it leaves over and over. I mean I'm not a fan of his message, but what we saw last Thursday night is not normal, it was a very severe concussion. Experts don't need to examine him to know this, there's plenty of video evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo619 said: The guy discovered cte and it’s a Fox News story.. What does he know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 50 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: I mean I'm not a fan of his message, but what we saw last Thursday night is not normal, it was a very severe concussion. Experts don't need to examine him to know this, there's plenty of video evidence. The bolded is the urgent crux of this entire boondoggle: there was CLEAR, IMMEDIATE VIDEO EVIDENCE OF BRAIN TRAUMA in the Bills game. It was explicit and unmistakable. To see that player re-enter the game was so incredibly disheartening for the ethical health of the sport. And then to watch him play four days later and suffer a compounding injury was downright negligence. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Richard Noggin said: The bolded is the urgent crux of this entire boondoggle: there was CLEAR, IMMEDIATE VIDEO EVIDENCE OF BRAIN TRAUMA in the Bills game. It was explicit and unmistakable. To see that player re-enter the game was so incredibly disheartening for the ethical health of the sport. And then to watch him play four days later and suffer a compounding injury was downright negligence. I agree. I was dumbfounded when I saw him re-enter the game. He was clearly punch drunk when he got up from the hit. Before that when he sat up he placed both hands on his helmet, a telltale sign that he got his bell rung. Also when he rose to his feet he gave 2 real quick shakes of his head, yet another sign he was trying to clear the cob webs. How the spotter missed all these indicators is beyond me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvin Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 6 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: Omalu is pretty much anti-football in general, so it's not surprising he's the one saying it. There is no way in hell Tua retires now assuming he makes a full recovery from this concussion. I could see it with another major concussion on the heels of this one, but my understanding is that this is the first major concussion he's suffered in his career. People are right to be appalled at how the last two weeks played out for Tua, but this "he should retire" talk is way over the top, imo. One of the friends of my family worked with Omalu. He did nor start off anti-football. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayjent Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 Watching McDaniels continue to double down on his position that he was confident Tua was fine in light of the obvious is like a slow motion train wreck. Everybody who watched both games knows what happened and why - the most obvious evidence was for everyone to observe and overshadows any more specific testing that occurred. McDaniel’s rationalizations in light of the obvious are attempts to cast something for people to hold on to support him as the Dolphins are winning and off to a good start and that is all that is going on. The dissonance in his messaging would be comical if the real consequences of his BS weren’t so impactful to a player’s long term health. A back injury? That makes it better somehow? This is a joke and that some will stand behind or say it raises legitimate questions about what happened is just taking the bait. Don’t take the bait. It’s embarrassing for the league but it’s not exactly surprising 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 6 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: I agree. I was dumbfounded when I saw him re-enter the game. He was clearly punch drunk when he got up from the hit. Before that when he sat up he placed both hands on his helmet, a telltale sign that he got his bell rung. Also when he rose to his feet he gave 2 real quick shakes of his head, yet another sign he was trying to clear the cob webs. How the spotter missed all these indicators is beyond me.. I would guess they didn’t miss it, they ignored it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoffs? Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 7 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: I mean I'm not a fan of his message, but what we saw last Thursday night is not normal, it was a very severe concussion. Experts don't need to examine him to know this, there's plenty of video evidence. I’m still pretty surprised they let him leave the hospital and fly home with the team after the Bengals game. Was no one there pumping the breaks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 3 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: I’m still pretty surprised they let him leave the hospital and fly home with the team after the Bengals game. Was no one there pumping the breaks? I was shocked when I read that. No reason for him to be on the plane that night watching McGruber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 I'm actually surprised they haven't finished the investigation and announced a rule change yet with the game coming up tonight. Could still happen but with the past two weeks of what has happened I would have thought they would have something in place for tonight's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 9 hours ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said: I disagree. Chances are anyone Tua is going to talk to won't know nearly as much about brain trauma and the long term effect on the brain. What does Tua's priorities have anything to do with whether, medically, he should retire or not? From a medical standpoint he either should or shouldn't. Most likely Omalu was probably asked something along the lines of "If Tua asked you what he should do what would you tell him"? Of course he's going to say he should retire, he's seen the end results and the destructive path it leaves over and over. I mean I'm not a fan of his message, but what we saw last Thursday night is not normal, it was a very severe concussion. Experts don't need to examine him to know this, there's plenty of video evidence. medically there is a wide range of gray in that spectrum, not a binary. the impact on his mental health effects future medical health, his financial health effects future medical health. his own risk aversion is a consideration as the outcome of playing isn’t set in stone or known by anyone. Unless of course we are saying medically every single player should retire as football is incredibly unhealthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 6, 2022 Share Posted October 6, 2022 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: I'm actually surprised they haven't finished the investigation and announced a rule change yet with the game coming up tonight. Could still happen but with the past two weeks of what has happened I would have thought they would have something in place for tonight's game. They already changed the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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