This game exposed we rely to much on Josh again

[97bills]

4 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

couldn't have been worse on the line than Spencer Brown today.

I hope we never see Ingram line up across from him I think he’s in browns head. Gives him the business every time 

[Big Turk]

And they were supposed to do what? Run behind a line that didn't exist?

[BigDingus]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

 my goodness run the ball just a little bit more please. 

 

Go back & look at the gameday threads... you had fans basically yelling "stop running the ball!" and "we should be passing on every play!" This was even more prevalent with Moss, until he had our best run of the game.

 

I agree with you, but it's clear fans don't realize why running the ball is important. Problem is our O-line isn't very talented, so combined with the heat, we basically gave up on running.

[78thealltimegreat]

Just now, BigDingus said:

 

Go back & look at the gameday threads... you had fans basically yelling "stop running the ball!" and "we should be passing on every play!" This was even more prevalent with Moss, until he had our best run of the game.

 

I agree with you, but it's clear fans don't realize why running the ball is important. Problem is our O-line isn't very talented, so combined with the heat, we basically gave up on running.

Big you are correct I wish I could show the clip of Greg Cosell talking about how this team relies on the qb more then any team he’s ever seen. That hasn’t changed. I understand putting it in Josh’s hands every play but man gotta slow down that pass rush which went after him all day just a little 

[streetkings01]

He’s the freaking QB……of course we rely on him! KC relies on Mahommes, Packers with Rodgers, LJ with Ravens etc. 

 

[Kaenon]

How many starters were out by the end of the game?

6 on D and 4 on O.

...almost 50%

[Big Turk]

15 minutes ago, Kaenon said:

How many starters were out by the end of the game?

6 on D and 4 on O.

...almost 50%

 

Never seen anything like it and I have been watching football almost 40 years 

[Codyny13]

1 hour ago, Amarillo Bills Fan said:

The problem with this game, not being prepared for the heat.

 

Let alone the injuries before prior to the game.

 

We're running the ball better than we did last year.

I don’t think it’s a matter of preparation. Watching the post game with Knox and McKenzie, they both said they took multiple IV’s during the week, as well as staying up on the water and electrolyte intake. It was driven home right after the Titans game, however, these guys are coming off a short week, played a game where the opposing team is put on the sunny side, w field reach temperatures of 120 degrees. There’s only so much you can prepare for that. I listened to Reuben Brown speak earlier this week on a dolphins podcast and he said he was concerned for the offensive line bc at this point in the season your still not at your conditioning peak. His point gets compounded when it’s backup lineman, who haven’t had the reps or on field conditioning as the starters. These guys were laboring and it really ended up hurting us. With all of that, we were still there in the end.

[Max Fischer]

What other team with that many injuries would be in a position to win? If even Mitch Morse was playing we would have won. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Allen is by all accounts the closest this league has to Superman. But man he should not have to pass the ball 63 freaking times! In a low scoring game like this with the heat as intense as it was my goodness run the ball just a little bit more please. 

 

Every team relies on their Elite QB when they have one

[UKBillFan]

53 minutes ago, BigDingus said:

 

Go back & look at the gameday threads... you had fans basically yelling "stop running the ball!" and "we should be passing on every play!" This was even more prevalent with Moss, until he had our best run of the game.

 

I agree with you, but it's clear fans don't realize why running the ball is important. Problem is our O-line isn't very talented, so combined with the heat, we basically gave up on running.

 

But passing for the most part worked. It drove us down the field and gave us good positions. The issue is we didn't run on short conversions, or even just use a sneak. The long passing calls were, for the most part, fine. The short calls were abysmal.

Edited September 25, 2022 by UKBillFan

[DuckyBoys]

todays loss was a perfect storm  The heat, all the injuries pre and during the game and last all the coaching/time blunders  We left 4 fgs off the board  The 4th down stop the fake spike pass to Diggs, the miss and not getting the spike at the end Add Davis not coming up the td catch and Josh short hops a open Mckenzie  Took all that for us to lose  Think we'll be ok  I wholeheartedly agree time for the coaching staff to get a few things figured out  Need to be able to convert short yardage w the rbs  3 and 1 should not be a nail bitter every time  Josh cant be 95% of the offense week in week out

[Buffalo Dude]

All three of our RBs are from South Florida and are used to that weather. 
 

If you’re not from Miami, there’s no way you know what it’s like on a day like today. Ask someone who went to the game how it felt. 
 

Those 3 RBS combined for 14 rushing attempts. 
 

My guess is Josh Allen missed that throw bc his legs were wiped out. 

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

And they were supposed to do what? Run behind a line that didn't exist?

That’s the point. Why isn’t there an oline at this point?  Don’t even start talking about injuries. We haven’t been able to run for more than just this season. 

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

That’s the point. Why isn’t there an oline at this point?  Don’t even start talking about injuries. We haven’t been able to run for more than just this season. 

 

C'mon man. Give me a break. There is no team in the NFL that is overcoming being on their 3rd center and with backups all over the line playing positions they never played before. Is this you playing Madden and plugging in guys and they all play the same so you think it works like that in real life?

 

To be honest they actually did pretty well for the situation they were facing. Allen didn't get sacked after all those injuries and had time to throw for the most part...had to scramble a few times but whatever...it happens.

Edited September 25, 2022 by Big Turk

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Big Turk said:

 

C'mon man. Give me a break. There is no team in the NFL that is overcoming being on their 3rd center and with backups all over the line playing positions they never played before. Is this you playing Madden and plugging in guys and they all play the same so you think it works like that in real life?

 

To be honest they actually did pretty well for the situation they were facing. Allen didn't get sacked and had time to throw for the most part...had to scramble a few times but whatever...it happens.

 

The O Line is pretty poor even when fully fit. We don't have the greatest of running backs but it's very rare they get channels to run through.

[Big Blitz]

That Akers TD run just now is something we have to have in the arsenal inside the 20.  That whole drive was Akers

[Billever76]

This game showed what happens when your entire starting secondary and starting oline is hurt and you have udfa rookies and practice squad callups playing starters 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

 

The O Line is pretty poor even when fully fit. We don't have the greatest of running backs but it's very rare they get channels to run through.

 

They do quite well pass blocking usually. Run blocking they aren't great, but they didn't assemble them to be great run blockers.

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Every team relies on their Elite QB when they have one

63 passes?

[Locomark]

Its great when we complain that we lost a game when we still put up a differential of 500-200 yards with 7 actual starters out before the game been started and then had to have our team broil in 100 degree heat on top of it.  These are the glory days my friends.  KC and the Chargers  today so basically and we get to throttle Miami here later, so no harm no foul today. 

[Solomon Grundy]

3 hours ago, CDogg20 said:

Josh is gonna win us more games than he loses us. I’m ok with it. Josh is a dog and will always keep us in it

Sometimes you need to put the dog on a leash when walking. This team still lacks a consistent running game. Like the guy said on GR, the Bills sometimes need to be able to play complimentary football

[Ya Digg?]

6 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

63 passes?

With the line as beat up as it was, there was no way they were going to be able to run the ball effectively (which they didn't).  This one was going to have to be all on Josh

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

With the line as beat up as it was, there was no way they were going to be able to run the ball effectively (which they didn't).  This one was going to have to be all on Josh

And we lost.

[boater]

3 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Allen is by all accounts the closest this league has to Superman. But man he should not have to pass the ball 63 freaking times! In a low scoring game like this with the heat as intense as it was my goodness run the ball just a little bit more please. 

To have JA and restrict his running and throwing is akin to having a Jeep Rubicon, and only driving it to church on Sundays.

[Ya Digg?]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

And we lost.

I'll still take my chances with Josh

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Without Allen they had no chance.

But he made some bad throws today and he bobbled the snap before the half. Dolphins dropped 3 INT and he missed McKenzie wide open in the end-zone.

 

Two things can be true. He is amazing and played well enough to win and he made some bad mistakes that cost them the game. 

[BananaB]

10 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Without Allen they had no chance.

But he made some bad throws today and he bobbled the snap before the half. Dolphins dropped 3 INT and he missed McKenzie wide open in the end-zone.

 

Two things can be true. He is amazing and played well enough to win and he made some bad mistakes that cost them the game. 

You look at all the guys that were dropping and it’s kind of amazing he finished without missing a snap. Exhaustion can lead to mistakes, that happens. Allen had bad throws the receivers had a good number of bad drops…. Bills got beat by the heat not the Dolphins.  

[Alphadawg7]

41 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

63 passes?

We were missing 5…let me repeat…5 offensive lineman.   We did not have a single OL on the bench to even give anyone a rest.
 

What do you expect?  3 starters out.  Backups got hurt.  We literally had 3rd stringers out there.  
 

We also ran 90 offensive plays, that is insane.  So that means all 5 OL were on the field in the heat a lot.  The defense gets to rotate players in and out, but our OL made up mostly of 2nd and 3rd stringers was on the field almost the whole 4th quarter.  
 

So sorry, don’t know what you expect.  We have heat exhausted OL on the field almost an entire quarter with no shade like our opponents in the few instances they were on the sideline. 
 

Of course Allen had to try and carry our dismantled team over the finish line.  Not to mention Diggs was hurting, Davis wasn’t 100%, McKenzie was in and out hurting, and Knox was out.  

Edited September 26, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[78thealltimegreat]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

We were missing 5…let me repeat…5 offensive lineman.   We did not have a single OL on the bench to even give anyone a rest.
 

What do you expect?  3 starters out.  Backups got hurt.  We literally had 3rd stringers out there.  
 

We also ran 90 offensive plays, that is insane.  So that means all 5 OL were on the field in the heat a lot.  The defense gets to rotate players in and out, but our OL made up mostly of 2nd and 3rd stringers was on the field almost the whole 4th quarter.  
 

So sorry, don’t know what you expect.  We have heat exhausted OL on the field almost an entire quarter with no shade like our opponents in the few instances they were on the sideline. 
 

Of course Allen had to try and carry our dismantled team over the finish line.  Not to mention Diggs was hurting, Davis wasn’t 100%, McKenzie was in and out hurting, and Knox was out.  

Again when you are down that many players it becomes even more important to run the ball as you are asking backup and third string linemen to hold their blocks against the Melvin Ingrams of the world long enough for pass plays to develop so your franchise qb can find receivers that weren’t cramping up 

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

C'mon man. Give me a break. There is no team in the NFL that is overcoming being on their 3rd center and with backups all over the line playing positions they never played before. Is this you playing Madden and plugging in guys and they all play the same so you think it works like that in real life?

 

To be honest they actually did pretty well for the situation they were facing. Allen didn't get sacked after all those injuries and had time to throw for the most part...had to scramble a few times but whatever...it happens.

You missed the point…we weren’t running the ball well the first two games and it goes back as far as most of last season. 

[TheBrownBear]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

What total nonsense!
 

We had 90 plays in this game; Miami had 39.

 

We got 497 yards; Miami got 212.

 

We had the ball for 40:40.  Miami had the ball for 19:20.

 

We dominated much of this game.  The difference?

Miami was more efficient than we were at converting offense into POINTS.

 

Having only 19 points on a day like today (with 2 coming from the safety) is not a good day's offensive  point production.

 

Had the game been played again, we probably would have won, maybe by a lot.

 

Losses of this type will happen.

 

Josh is most of the team and he needs to play as much as he can!  He's our most important player by far! 

 

The team will rise and all as Josh rises and falls.

 

 

The presnap miscommunication on the early fumble gifted the Fins 7 points and we had three empty drives that should have ended in FGs at worst.  Could have easily been a 27-14 Bills win.  Actually, should have been if we'd executed competently in those key situations.  

 

Not sure if I've ever seen a team lose when dominating TOP and yardage to that extent.

[MasterStrategist]

i don't know if it was Van Roten snapping, or another reason, but we didn't go under center much at all.  That eliminates the "threat" of running & playaction looks.

 

I also don't get whey we NEVER go into a 'bunch' formation, against man/blitz looks.  Daboll didn't do this either, I feel like it's easy to get clean releases & rub routes when stacking WRs. 

 

Difficult to complain about 490+ yards and 90 plays ran though.  It's all about finishing drives with points though, specifically TDs.  We stalled out too much, same problem plagued us at times LY, I have a feeling they will get it corrected.  Big loss to the OL with Morse out, and then several guys going down in the heat.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Allen is by all accounts the closest this league has to Superman. But man he should not have to pass the ball 63 freaking times! In a low scoring game like this with the heat as intense as it was my goodness run the ball just a little bit more please. 

I did think after moss broke that big run, there was an opportunity to keep pounding Moss. The fins D had to be tired too by that point.

[BIGFOOTspaceman]

Maybe if the would let Singletary get into a rhythm, instead of switching RBs every series, maybe the run game would be more effective. 
 

It baffles me that they refuse to leave him in. 

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

63 passes?

 

It was actually more like 70 called pass plays. Allen ran 8 times, mostly on scrambles. And yes that game script in a one score game is a big problem. Whether on coaching or personnel, they need to figure it out. A lack of run game plus a lack of YAC means almost the entire offense is on Allen. Brady never had to do it all on his own. Neither did Manning. This season for the first time in his career Mahomes is being asked to create a lot more production on his own and it isn't going as well as they're used to. Any offense that is too one-dimensional is going to have some issues eventually, even if that one dimension is headlined by an elite player.

 

Edited September 26, 2022 by HappyDays

[Max Fischer]

2 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

 

The O Line is pretty poor even when fully fit. We don't have the greatest of running backs but it's very rare they get channels to run through.

The Bills starting OLINE is not “pretty poor.”  It’s at worse average and when cooking, it’s Top 10. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

39 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

The presnap miscommunication on the early fumble gifted the Fins 7 points and we had three empty drives that should have ended in FGs at worst.  Could have easily been a 27-14 Bills win.  Actually, should have been if we'd executed competently in those key situations.  

 

Not sure if I've ever seen a team lose when dominating TOP and yardage to that extent.

 

Story of the Bills since the start of last year. Everyone executes on nearly every drive and they win by 10+. If that doesn't happen they lose by one score. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I did think after moss broke that big run, there was an opportunity to keep pounding Moss. The fins D had to be tired too by that point.

They tried and the Dolphins stopped them. 

 

They lost the game when Milano dropped the pick 6 and they lost yards and 2nd and goal from the 6 inch line.  

[Protocal69]

3 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Without Allen they had no chance.

But he made some bad throws today and he bobbled the snap before the half. Dolphins dropped 3 INT and he missed McKenzie wide open in the end-zone.

 

Two things can be true. He is amazing and played well enough to win and he made some bad mistakes that cost them the game. 

Missing Mitch Morse really hurt today among others