Opportunity for Leslie Frazier.

[gjv]

With six out of eleven starters out, Coach Frazier will face a career highlight opportunity. An opportunity that might put him in the front of someone's head coaching line. Good Luck Coach. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

😝 

 

He calls the plays 

 

He’s not on the field making them 
 

the QB of the D is still barking orders. 
Von is still 💯 

Milano is still 💯 
Groot is still 💯

 

oh and In

 

Quote

Hot take: Secondary will be fine this week vs the fish.

 

Quote

How in the world do you stop this offense?

 

Now that 

is what matters 

[frostbitmic]

Edmunds is 💯

 

You forgot him

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, frostbitmic said:

Edmunds is 💯

 

You forgot him

 Not at all 

he’s 
the QB of the D 

I just didn’t want the “debate” again 😆 

Keeping him  🥸 

[frostbitmic]

But every thread devolves around him, I thought I'd just get moving in that direction.

[Bills2022]

Leslie Frazier is old and a defensive coach.  The league likes young offensive minds.  It works.  Look who won the Super Bowl last year.  A young offensive mind.  Look at how the Dolphins turned their team around.  A young offensive mind.  Look at the Giants turn around.  A young offensive mind.   Even the Bills have to admit it was a young offensive mind, Daboll, and now Dorsey that turned the Bills around.  Our GM and head coach put together a great team, but it was our offense that made the Bills elite. The league likes points.  It is exciting and it leads to better fantasy/gambling interest.  The NFL is an offensive league.  Even Belichick is now a dinosaur. 

 

Who would you hire right now?  Dorsey or Frazier?   No brainer.  I expect Dorsey will be gone at the end of the year.  My guess, Carolina. 

 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Bills2022

[Don Otreply]

46 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

But every thread devolves around him, I thought I'd just get moving in that direction.

Yup, the QB of the D that has allowed only 17 points in two games, that guy sucks…, 

 

am I doing this right? 

 

 

 

 

 

😂

[benderbender]

 

5 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Yup, the QB of the D that has allowed only 17 points in two games, that guy sucks…, 

am I doing this right? 

😂

That's the ticket! And then I say something like, oh yeah Edmunds is so good, he even injures his own DBs just to intimidate other teams.

 

But seriously, the only thing Frazier can do to make the league forget about 13 seconds is to win games like against the "fastest offense" in the league with half of his defense tied behind his back. If he can do that, he will have plenty of interview opportunities come playoff time. Although it still hurts my heart that he missed out on the Chicago job. I wanted that for him.  

Edited September 24, 2022 by benderbender

[Mr Info]

26 minutes ago, Bills2022 said:

Leslie Frazier is old and a defensive coach.  The league likes young offensive minds.  It works.  Look who won the Super Bowl last year.  A young offensive mind.  Look at how the Dolphins turned their team around.  A young offensive mind.  Look at the Giants turn around.  A young offensive mind.   Even the Bills have to admit it was a young offensive mind, Daboll, and now Dorsey that turned the Bills around.  Our GM and head coach put together a great team, but it was our offense that made the Bills elite. The league likes points.  It is exciting and it leads to better fantasy/gambling interest.  The NFL is an offensive league.  Even Belichick is now a dinosaur. 

 

Who would you hire right now?  Dorsey or Frazier?   No brainer.  I expect Dorsey will be gone at the end of the year.  My guess, Carolina. 

 

Going in a different direction with this thread. I expect Dorsey is poached if Bills are successful this season. Think Brady, the QB coach who the Bills hired this year, is a W&M alumnus and also mentored under Payton and might be a possibility for OC if Dorsey leaves. Another great move by Beane & McD.

[Einstein's Dog]

I agree, huge opportunity for Frazier.  I was going to select him in the "pick one player" thread but technically he doesn't qualify.  It is Frazier's time to shine, everyone knows we're shorthanded and yet I have a feeling this D is going to contain the Fish.

 

I also think it will take a good plan out of Frazier to do it.  I've seen people say "keep everything in front of you" stuff and I disagree.  Frazier needs to mix it up.  Letting the Fish keep it in front plays to the lack of arm strength of Tua.

 

And to the Bills2022, I believe you're jumping the gun a bit by claiming the Dolphins have turned their team around.  If Frazier shows the blue print to stifle the Fish in a decent beatdown with our backups, the whole narrative about the upstart Dolphins will come crashing down.

 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Bills2022 said:

Leslie Frazier is old and a defensive coach.  The league likes young offensive minds.  It works.  Look who won the Super Bowl last year.  A young offensive mind.  Look at how the Dolphins turned their team around.  A young offensive mind.  Look at the Giants turn around.  A young offensive mind.   Even the Bills have to admit it was a young offensive mind, Daboll, and now Dorsey that turned the Bills around.  Our GM and head coach put together a great team, but it was our offense that made the Bills elite. The league likes points.  It is exciting and it leads to better fantasy/gambling interest.  The NFL is an offensive league.  Even Belichick is now a dinosaur. 

 

Who would you hire right now?  Dorsey or Frazier?   No brainer.  I expect Dorsey will be gone at the end of the year.  My guess, Carolina. 

 

 

And often times those guys don't work out.  The skillset for a coordinator versus a head coach are completely different...almost to the point they are two different jobs completely.

 

We are not talking about his merits as a head coach.  We are talking about his merits as a DC and one of the best ones in the game for scheming and getting the most out of his talent on the field and ensuring backups are ready to step in and perform at a high level, which he is again, one of the best in the league at.

 

How offensive do most teams look against the Bills when 58% of the teams they play are unable to even generate 200 yards passing against us over the last 2+ seasons? We aren't talking 300 yards...we are talking 200 yards.  In a league all about offense where the rules heavily favor it, that's absurd.

Edited September 24, 2022 by Big Turk

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, Bills2022 said:

Leslie Frazier is old and a defensive coach.  The league likes young offensive minds.  It works.  Look who won the Super Bowl last year.  A young offensive mind.  Look at how the Dolphins turned their team around.  A young offensive mind.  Look at the Giants turn around.  A young offensive mind.   Even the Bills have to admit it was a young offensive mind, Daboll, and now Dorsey that turned the Bills around.  Our GM and head coach put together a great team, but it was our offense that made the Bills elite. The league likes points.  It is exciting and it leads to better fantasy/gambling interest.  The NFL is an offensive league.  Even Belichick is now a dinosaur. 

 

Who would you hire right now?  Dorsey or Frazier?   No brainer.  I expect Dorsey will be gone at the end of the year.  My guess, Carolina. 

 

Anchoring your new NFL regime around a guy like Leslie Frazier would make no sense at all.

 

Therefore, expect him to be hired as HC by either the Browns or Jets.

 

😂

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, gjv said:

With six out of eleven starters out, Coach Frazier will face a career highlight opportunity. An opportunity that might put him in the front of someone's head coaching line. Good Luck Coach. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really cool point.   I have no idea what Frazier's future holds, but shutting down that offense with this defensive lineup would be a signature achievement on his resume. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Bills2022 said:

Leslie Frazier is old and a defensive coach.  The league likes young offensive minds.  It works.  Look who won the Super Bowl last year.  A young offensive mind.  Look at how the Dolphins turned their team around.  A young offensive mind.  Look at the Giants turn around.  A young offensive mind.   Even the Bills have to admit it was a young offensive mind, Daboll, and now Dorsey that turned the Bills around.  Our GM and head coach put together a great team, but it was our offense that made the Bills elite. The league likes points.  It is exciting and it leads to better fantasy/gambling interest.  The NFL is an offensive league.  Even Belichick is now a dinosaur. 

 

Who would you hire right now?  Dorsey or Frazier?   No brainer.  I expect Dorsey will be gone at the end of the year.  My guess, Carolina. 

 

 

I still think there is a place for defensive minded Head Coaches. Head Coach is about a lot more than Xs and Os. McDermott turned the Bills around but it was Josh's development (McDermott played a part in that but so did the two OCs and obviously Josh himself) that made them Superbowl contenders. 

 

But Frazier isn't getting another shot because it isn't just that he is a defensive guy. It is that he is a retread who is the wrong side of 60 as well. If Frazier had never been a Head Coach before and was 45 he would have been gone already to a HC opportunity. But trying to sell a fanbase on a 60 something year old, defensive guy, who failed in Minnesota 10 years ago is going to be tough. 

[scuba guy]

I get it yes lf is a good coach #1 d last year but there are only 32 nfl coaches not many spots to go around.

 

Unlike college 🙃 

[LEBills]

I hope Leslie gets another chance but his age and being a defensive minded guy may hold him back from ever getting another opportunity

 

On the flip side, we are likely going to get a little preview of how our defense could look in a few years with JJ and Hamlin in the Safety spots.
 

Its not ideal to be down so many starters but I think we saw in the preseason that our young players can step in and perform really well. And of course our front 7 is still supercharged even without Oliver and Phillips. Could see a lot of Groot and Basham at 3 tech this week which won’t be good for a Miami team that isn’t running very well.

[PrimeTime101]

3 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

😝

 

He calls the plays 

 

He’s not on the field making them 
 

the QB of the D is still barking orders. 
Von is still 💯 

Milano is still 💯 
Groot is still 💯

 

oh and In

 

 

 

Now that 

is what matters 

was everyone saying this with 13 seconds left? or were people blaming him for the formations he put the players in. The buck starts somewhere with the players... of course... but it ends with McD and has a dude named Frazier not to far back. If the DC can lock this game up with 21 points or less.. people will be talking about Frazier as HC at end of year.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

8 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

was everyone saying this with 13 seconds left? or were people blaming him for the formations he put the players in. The buck starts somewhere with the players... of course... but it ends with McD and has a dude named Frazier not to far back. If the DC can lock this game up with 21 points or less.. people will be talking about Frazier as HC at end of year.

He is the DC. 

 

You are talking about the ST blunder of not squib kicking to run down the time. 
 

woulda coulda shoulda 

 

13 seconds 

Music City forward “lateral”

Wide Right 

 

Stop living in the past 

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

He is the DC. 

 

You are talking about the ST blunder of not squib kicking to run down the time. 
 

woulda coulda shoulda 

 

The kickoff was just the initial blunder. Our coaches played the last 13 seconds like they didn’t understand that KC had timeouts remaining. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

The kickoff was just the initial blunder. Our coaches played the last 13 seconds like they didn’t understand that KC had timeouts remaining. 

coaches. 
 

not just Frazier 

 

WTF knows what KC would have done with a Live Ball 🏈 

 

[K-9]

6 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

coaches. 
 

not just Frazier 

 

WTF knows what KC would have done with a Live Ball 🏈 

 

Oh, absolutely. It was a coaching failure from McD to Frazier and right on down the line to the position coaches and players as well. Somebody has to know the game situation, speak up, and make sure everyone is on the same page. We were confused and that made it way too easy for an offense like KC’s and the players they had. 

[3rdand12]

3 hours ago, Bills2022 said:

Leslie Frazier is old and a defensive coach.  The league likes young offensive minds.  It works.  Look who won the Super Bowl last year.  A young offensive mind.  Look at how the Dolphins turned their team around.  A young offensive mind.  Look at the Giants turn around.  A young offensive mind.   Even the Bills have to admit it was a young offensive mind, Daboll, and now Dorsey that turned the Bills around.  Our GM and head coach put together a great team, but it was our offense that made the Bills elite. The league likes points.  It is exciting and it leads to better fantasy/gambling interest.  The NFL is an offensive league.  Even Belichick is now a dinosaur. 

 

Who would you hire right now?  Dorsey or Frazier?   No brainer.  I expect Dorsey will be gone at the end of the year.  My guess, Carolina. 

 

They should just pay Frazier as the Top DC in the League or very nearly , and everyone should be okay with that. Especially Leslie.
SB are what matters. Not  coaching titles. be selfless and be a team Guy. I am sure he is though. 

 Go Bills 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I agree, huge opportunity for Frazier.  I was going to select him in the "pick one player" thread but technically he doesn't qualify.  It is Frazier's time to shine, everyone knows we're shorthanded and yet I have a feeling this D is going to contain the Fish.

 

I also think it will take a good plan out of Frazier to do it.  I've seen people say "keep everything in front of you" stuff and I disagree.  Frazier needs to mix it up.  Letting the Fish keep it in front plays to the lack of arm strength of Tua.

 

And to the Bills2022, I believe you're jumping the gun a bit by claiming the Dolphins have turned their team around.  If Frazier shows the blue print to stifle the Fish in a decent beatdown with our backups, the whole narrative about the upstart Dolphins will come crashing down.

 

 

I’m curious, are you ever embarrassed by your owner? 

 

 

😋

[BigDingus]

I already think he's criminally underrated, even by Bills fans.

 

It's fortunate for us, because we get to keep him around for longer, but the guy is a great strategist & knows how to get the best out of his personnel. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

The kickoff was just the initial blunder. Our coaches played the last 13 seconds like they didn’t understand that KC had timeouts remaining. 

I think Levi Wallace admitted on someone’s podcast that he played the sideline when he shouldn’t have on that last play before the fg….I can’t remember what he said word for word though so I may be misremembering 

 

 

[RyanC883]

I agree with this.  But Frazier may be the next Dick LeBeau.  Great DC, not HC.  As others said teams seem to want an offensive minded guy.  

[ganesh]

4 hours ago, Bills2022 said:

Leslie Frazier is old and a defensive coach.  The league likes young offensive minds.  It works.  Look who won the Super Bowl last year.  A young offensive mind.  Look at how the Dolphins turned their team around.  A young offensive mind.  Look at the Giants turn around.  A young offensive mind.   Even the Bills have to admit it was a young offensive mind, Daboll, and now Dorsey that turned the Bills around.  Our GM and head coach put together a great team, but it was our offense that made the Bills elite. The league likes points.  It is exciting and it leads to better fantasy/gambling interest.  The NFL is an offensive league.  Even Belichick is now a dinosaur. 

 

Who would you hire right now?  Dorsey or Frazier?   No brainer.  I expect Dorsey will be gone at the end of the year.  My guess, Carolina. 

 

Dorsey will not become a HC next season (not after just 1 year as a OC).  I am sure indy is now bitten by Frank Reich.  The same has happened in LA (Chargers).  What about Arthur Smith..There are so many Offensive HC who have failed or failing.  Even McDaniels had a lousy outing in Denver.

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

 

I also think it will take a good plan out of Frazier to do it.  I've seen people say "keep everything in front of you" stuff and I disagree.  Frazier needs to mix it up.  Letting the Fish keep it in front plays to the lack of arm strength of Tua.

 

 

Yes it needs to be changed to "keep everyone under bottom of you".  Physical game is key.

[Ya Digg?]

4 hours ago, Bills2022 said:

Leslie Frazier is old and a defensive coach.  The league likes young offensive minds.  It works.  Look who won the Super Bowl last year.  A young offensive mind.  Look at how the Dolphins turned their team around.  A young offensive mind.  Look at the Giants turn around.  A young offensive mind.   Even the Bills have to admit it was a young offensive mind, Daboll, and now Dorsey that turned the Bills around.  Our GM and head coach put together a great team, but it was our offense that made the Bills elite. The league likes points.  It is exciting and it leads to better fantasy/gambling interest.  The NFL is an offensive league.  Even Belichick is now a dinosaur. 

 

Who would you hire right now?  Dorsey or Frazier?   No brainer.  I expect Dorsey will be gone at the end of the year.  My guess, Carolina. 

 

So you give all sorts of credit to other teams head coaches and then immediately put down McDermott and give all of the credit to his OC…nice

 

also can we pump the breaks on giving so much praise to teams that have only played 2 games with a new head coach? 

[CircleTheWagons99]

Edmunds ends the Miami hype by him self this weekend!

[Bills2022]

33 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

So you give all sorts of credit to other teams head coaches and then immediately put down McDermott and give all of the credit to his OC…nice

 

also can we pump the breaks on giving so much praise to teams that have only played 2 games with a new head coach? 

Offensive coaches are the key to everything.  Blame the NFL.  After the boring 13-3 Super Bowl the league created the current NFL. They want points.  Sorry but our OC is more important than our head coach right now.  The Bills are going to go as far as the Offense takes them. The defense still matters, but you aren't winning anything without an elite offense. 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 24, 2022 by Bills2022

[Rockinon]

Just a side note. McDermott was a defensive coordinator too. Frazier may very well be a great defensive mind, but the Buffalo defense looks much more like the Carolina defense that McDermott ran than the defense that Frazier ran in previous jobs. As far as Frazier going somewhere else, he is getting old. Perhaps, a team will overlook that and hire him. Perhaps not. For now, I'm just happy that he is here.

[HOUSE]

He DOESN'T chew big wads of gum, run around the side line like a lunatic , doesn't even have a clapper. He just stands there like a normal person

NOT A HEAD COACH...

 

Edited September 25, 2022 by HOUSE

[PrimeTime101]

7 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

He is the DC. 

 

You are talking about the ST blunder of not squib kicking to run down the time. 
 

woulda coulda shoulda 

 

13 seconds 

Music City forward “lateral”

Wide Right 

 

Stop living in the past 

read what I quoted and you have a better understanding of why i said it. not living in the past.

[Matt_In_NH]

His age is a huge negative for a HC job.  Also a defensive guy is not first choice.   Fortunately for us this benefits the Bills.  It would be good karma if he got a shot though.  

[Ralonzo]

14 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

His age is a huge negative for a HC job.  Also a defensive guy is not first choice.   Fortunately for us this benefits the Bills.  It would be good karma if he got a shot though.  

 

Karma, and a 3rd round comp pick.

[EmotionallyUnstable]

5 hours ago, Rockinon said:

Just a side note. McDermott was a defensive coordinator too. Frazier may very well be a great defensive mind, but the Buffalo defense looks much more like the Carolina defense that McDermott ran than the defense that Frazier ran in previous jobs. As far as Frazier going somewhere else, he is getting old. Perhaps, a team will overlook that and hire him. Perhaps not. For now, I'm just happy that he is here.

I find this interesting because we all obviously know this, but does the average NFL fan? They look at buffalo, see 40+ points and the best offense in football and do they really look at McD and think defense?

 

The HC position is so much more than what side of the ball you have experience with. The intricate knowledge and experience needed at this level often makes coordinators masters of both sides of the ball. 
 

Once a guy becomes an HC, he no longer, in theory, has a side of the ball. He just wants to win football games

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, PrimeTime101 said:

read what I quoted and you have a better understanding of why i said it. not living in the past.

Did you mention 13 seconds?

 

if you did 

Let it go 

 

 

if not then I was in the wrong 😑 

 

[Einstein's Dog]

7 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I’m curious, are you ever embarrassed by your owner? 

 

 

😋

Yes.  I had the handle before he came on here.  I may have to change.

[qwksilver]

I understand the NFL wants Young Offensive minds point, but I give you Lovie Smith and his 3rd attempt at head coaching in NFL.