2022 MVP: Mahomes wins. Allen gets 1 vote? (42 TDs, 19 TOs, 315 YPG & 63.3%% Comp %--EOY talk 54+)

[Seoulofstone]

Josh Allen is an incredible QB. But until he stops having meltdowns he simply doesn’t deserve the MVP. A pity.

[Bangarang]

Josh Allen’s MVP campaign: September 2022 - October 2022

 

RIP

[FireChans]

Just now, Bangarang said:

Josh Allen’s MVP campaign: September 2022 - October 2022

 

RIP

Disagree. You can have a stinker and still win. 
 

He just needs to have a Joe Burrow like surge.

[muppy]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

He is going to really have to step it up over the last half of the year because he hasn't looked good for 6 quarters.

that's a good point regarding his slide in the last 6 quarters. So now the Bills are going to need to face more scrutiny and #17 adversity. I trust he will overcome it.  He is too talented  driven and dialed into his craft.  I'm certainly not gonna dog him. He is still Our QB . He'll figure it out.  

Edited November 6, 2022 by muppy

[Scott7975]

Well thats a game and a half that Allen has played pretty bad.  That probably knocks him out of the race unless he lights it up the rest of the season.  At this point I think Tua has a better shot.

[CoudyBills]

10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Disagree. You can have a stinker and still win. 
 

He just needs to have a Joe Burrow like surge.

He's had 2 in a row.

On 10/31/2022 at 5:48 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

He fell back in the MVP race. Still in the lead but his lead got tighter. 

The lead wears 15 and plays in KC. 

[No_Matter_What]

Like I said in GDT - this is a 4D chess from Allen.

 

He doesn't want regular season MVP since those guys don't win SBs. 

 

I for one really don't mind if he doesn't get it this year.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

He's had 2 in a row.

The lead wears 15 and plays in KC. 

If I had a vote today Tyreek Hill wins it.

[beebe]

Am I wrong in saying the Packers/Jets (and also the Chiefs) played far more coverage vs the Bills than they are accustomed to seeing? We went from seeing Josh Allen throwing to wide open receivers every time - everyone literally running in wide open space everywhere - to now it seeming like almost no one is open outside of Diggs when he runs a brilliant route. The Bills ran it quite a bit (for them) vs the Chiefs and Packers. Likely were on a track of running quite a bit today until game flow/situation dictated that they don't (Jets possessed ball 8 mins to open 2nd half, then built small leads etc.) 

[Bangarang]

42 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Disagree. You can have a stinker and still win. 
 

He just needs to have a Joe Burrow like surge.

He needs to stop throwing bad picks and throw more TDs. Somebody should tell him that for me.

[Aussie Joe]

49 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

And this thread bites the dust for another year.

 

It will be back after Week 1 next year though when they stroll through the season opener...

[transplantbillsfan]

Oy, that was

 

First game since I can't remember I'd primarily put on Josh for the L. 

 

If we're being even and honest about this game, though: it was a divisional road game against a surprisingly good (and probably overachiever) team with 2 of our best defenders out due to injury.

 

I won't speak for the rest of Bills Mafia, but I think I overrated our offensive weapons. Thought Knox would be a top 10 TE this year. He's not. Diggs is absolutely one of the top 3-5 WRs in the NFL, but I really though Davis was about to prove he's a 1B to Diggs this year and now I don't even know if he's a good #2. Yeah that last play he couldn't catch it because of the defender (DPI???) but there was a 3rd and long play where Josh put it right on him as he was coming back to the football and he dropped it. Not an easy catch, but an NFL WR should catch that. He's had too many of those lately.

 

Starting to jump on the Odel Beckam train...

 

On a final note related to all the "Josh shouldn't run so much! It'll shorten his career!"...

 

Injury today on a passing play... 

But hey... with Josh there's still always some positive:

 

1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said:

Allen has thrown 9 picks in 8 games. Say what you want but that is not MVP caliber play. 

 

8 picks

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

And this thread bites the dust for another year.

 

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

Josh Allen’s MVP campaign: September 2022 - October 2022

 

RIP

 

It's 6 quarters of bad football from Josh. He was the clear and obvious MVP through 26 quarterz. He still has 36 quarters to play.

 

Relax.

 

Throughout his career Josh tends to bounce back pretty strong after crap games.

 

I'm most worried about that potential arm injury right now. 

[HappyDays]

Allen obviously played his worst game of the season today, but it's a little disconcerting that we have no one on offense to step up for him. Maybe Hines can be that guy or maybe we'll actually go out and sign OBJ. QBs sometimes have below average games and their team still finds a way to win. With the Bills that NEVER happens.

[UKBillFan]

13 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

It's 6 quarters of bad football from Josh. He was the clear and obvious MVP through 26 quarterz. He still has 36 quarters to play.

 

Relax.

 

Throughout his career Josh tends to bounce back pretty strong after crap games.

 

I'm most worried about that potential arm injury right now. 

Well he didn’t bounce back after the Packers.

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

If I had a vote today Tyreek Hill wins it.

Agree. I knew he was good, but he’s an absolutely game changing player, week in, week out. 

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Allen obviously played his worst game of the season today, but it's a little disconcerting that we have no one on offense to step up for him. Maybe Hines can be that guy or maybe we'll actually go out and sign OBJ. QBs sometimes have below average games and their team still finds a way to win. With the Bills that NEVER happens.

we beat the Ravens in Baltimore

[transplantbillsfan]

4 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

Well he didn’t bounce back after the Packers.

 

We won that game by 10. Not exactly the potent "medicine" (as Von Miller called it in his PC) today's loss was.

[CoudyBills]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Oy, that was

 

First game since I can't remember I'd primarily put on Josh for the L. 

 

If we're being even and honest about this game, though: it was a divisional road game against a surprisingly good (and probably overachiever) team with 2 of our best defenders out due to injury.

 

I won't speak for the rest of Bills Mafia, but I think I overrated our offensive weapons. Thought Knox would be a top 10 TE this year. He's not. Diggs is absolutely one of the top 3-5 WRs in the NFL, but I really though Davis was about to prove he's a 1B to Diggs this year and now I don't even know if he's a good #2. Yeah that last play he couldn't catch it because of the defender (DPI???) but there was a 3rd and long play where Josh put it right on him as he was coming back to the football and he dropped it. Not an easy catch, but an NFL WR should catch that. He's had too many of those lately.

 

Starting to jump on the Odel Beckam train...

 

On a final note related to all the "Josh shouldn't run so much! It'll shorten his career!"...

 

Injury today on a passing play... 

But hey... with Josh there's still always some positive:

 

 

8 picks

I can help you, he is not a good number 2.  54% catch rate is unacceptable.

[transplantbillsfan]

2 minutes ago, CoudyBills said:

I can help you, he is not a good number 2.  54% catch rate is unacceptable.

 

Thanks for the help. I'm still reserving some judgment, but leaning towards that assessment.

[DapperCam]

Mahomes had a pretty meh game imo, but a huge number of yards will help his volume stats at the end of the year. He may have taken the lead, but it’s still a toss up imo.

[transplantbillsfan]

16 minutes ago, DapperCam said:

Mahomes had a pretty meh game imo, but a huge number of yards will help his volume stats at the end of the year. He may have taken the lead, but it’s still a toss up imo.

 

Yet Josh is still ahead of Mahomes in terms of total yards...

 

and total TDs...

 

and won the head to head.

 

Certain posters are calling this race over, but the truth is Josh is still right up in front even if he's lost steam in the last 6 quarters.

 

I expect a big bounce back game for him next week.

 

 

 

 

And also... is anyone honestly expecting the Eagles to go undefeated even with that schedule? When they lose one or two, Hurts falls out of this conversation.

[Big Blitz]

Tyreek Hill is the MVP

 

If the season ended today it would probably be Allen

 

You could argue that if the Bills had another QB they’d win 3-4 games because the Defense is so good - I said you COULD make that argument and people will.  
 

 

 

But I’m 100% certain if Hill isn’t in Miami that team has 2 wins or less.  

Edited November 7, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Chicken Boo]

There's a lot of football left to be played.  

 

It's Allen, Mahomes and Hurts in any order.

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Tyreek Hill is the MVP

 

I checked his stats on the heels of your comment. It's unreal that he has 76 rec for 1,100 yards already.  Madness!

 

In a fair world he would be in the conversation as well, but no non-QB will win it.  

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, UKBillFan said:

Well he didn’t bounce back after the Packers.

We're not beating anyone regardless of Josh's arm condition if we don't get back Milano, Poyer & Tre soon.

[Nelius]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Tyreek Hill is the MVP

 

I'm fine with this. He's on a pretty incredible run. Legit shot at a 2k season, even before the extra game.

 

So sick of this Allen MVP talk honestly. Let somebody else run away with it.

[Dr.Sack]

Hurts 8-0, Mahomes 6-2, Hill 6-3, Jefferson 7-1, Allen 6-2 at this point. 

[transplantbillsfan]

 

[QCity]

Josh Allen +260
Patrick Mahomes +260

Jalen Hurts +260
Lamar Jackson +950
Joe Burrow +2000
Geno Smith +2600
Kirk Cousins +3500
Justin Herbert +3800
Tua Tagovailoa +3900

 

After Sunday's games it's currently a 3-way tie between Allen, Mahomes, and Hurts.

[Big Blitz]

Allen is still on pace for over 5600 total yards - 5000 passing and 600 rushing 

 

On pace for almost 50 TDs

 

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Yet Josh is still ahead of Mahomes in terms of total yards...

 

and total TDs...

 

and won the head to head.

 

Certain posters are calling this race over, but the truth is Josh is still right up in front even if he's lost steam in the last 6 quarters.

 

I expect a big bounce back game for him next week.

 

 

 

 

And also... is anyone honestly expecting the Eagles to go undefeated even with that schedule? When they lose one or two, Hurts falls out of this conversation.

Who do you have the Eagles losing to? The rest of their schedule is pretty much a cake walk. They have two remaining opponents with winning records: the cowboys and the Giants x2. They should be favorites in all of those games. As much as it pains me to say it, Tua is also re-entering the conversation. \

 

Josh is on very thin ice after these last two games as far as the MVP race is concerned.

[Scott7975]

Allen needs a legit #2 or a legit slot receiver.  I really thought Gabe would do well but he aint it. A #3 maybe or relief #2 but he aint a full time receiver.  Drops too many have to have passes.  Its too easy to defend this receiver core.  Knox has disappeared almost completely.  I dont know if its Dorsey's new offense/play calling or Josh isnt seeing the field well right now but its concerning.

[Aussie Joe]

It’s a team sport .., don’t worry so much about an individual award and win the freakin Championship 

Just now, Scott7975 said:

Allen needs a legit #2 or a legit slot receiver.  I really thought Gabe would do well but he aint it. A #3 maybe or relief #2 but he aint a full time receiver.  Drops too many have to have passes.  Its too easy to defend this receiver core.  Knox has disappeared almost completely.  I dont know if its Dorsey's new offense/play calling or Josh isnt seeing the field well right now but its concerning.

Anyone #2 available on waivers? 

[transplantbillsfan]

10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Who do you have the Eagles losing to? The rest of their schedule is pretty much a cake walk. They have two remaining opponents with winning records: the cowboys and the Giants x2. They should be favorites in all of those games. As much as it pains me to say it, Tua is also re-entering the conversation. \

 

Josh is on very thin ice after these last two games as far as the MVP race is concerned.

 

Weird you left out their toughest remaining game...

 

and also the fact that despite the final score they were tied well into the 2nd half against one of the worst teams in the NFL.

 

Nah... they aren't going undefeated 

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Anyone #2 available on waivers? 

 

Beckam is a UFA

[Scott7975]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

It’s a team sport .., don’t worry so much about an individual award and win the freakin Championship 

Anyone #2 available on waivers? 

 

Im not sure as I dont track those things.  Im hoping that we sign OBJ and he can play well enough after his injury.  In the meantime I hope we can stack some wins before that happens.  Hopefully Hines can also learn quick and get some chemistry with Josh.  He really is a good pass catching back.

Edited November 7, 2022 by Scott7975

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

 

Beckam is a UFA

I want Beckham and he will be an improvement on what they have .. I even think he will end up here …but there are questions about his fitness  

[Alphadawg7]

I love how if Mahomes loses...which he has to Josh Allen and to the lowly Colts...people here barely bat an eye on his MVP odds.  When Allen (under extreme circumstances with a decimated team) loses to the Dolphins (which wasn't Allens fault) and then has a bad 2nd half against the Jets after the Jets shut the whole offense down people here declare the race over and Allen out of it.  

 

So Mahomes has lost to Allen and a bad Colts team.  Allen lost to 2 teams who would be the 3rd and 4th seeds in the playoffs right now, and one of which took us having a decimated team and extreme weather to lose.  Not to mention, had Bass just hit his FG's in both games we likely don't lose either game.  

 

The reactions to a Bills loss this board are so stupid it makes being on the boards practically unbearable.  Allen is still on pace to break season records, still the #1 seed in the AFC, still first in the division, still leads the NFL in total yards and total TD's, and has been a one man wrecking crew for the Bills.  

 

Not to mention...during the first half, Allen was trending on twitter saying he is the MVP and its not close after his 2 TD runs.  One bad half later and Bills fans are on here saying he cant win now.  

 

I don't know how some of you get through your days with all the roller coaster of emotions you have on over the top hot takes off every little thing.  

[Gunsgoodtime]

Currently running from behind after 2 brutal performances 

23 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I love how if Mahomes loses...which he has to Josh Allen and to the lowly Colts...people here barely bat an eye on his MVP odds.  When Allen (under extreme circumstances with a decimated team) loses to the Dolphins (which wasn't Allens fault) and then has a bad 2nd half against the Jets after the Jets shut the whole offense down people here declare the race over and Allen out of it.  

 

So Mahomes has lost to Allen and a bad Colts team.  Allen lost to 2 teams who would be the 3rd and 4th seeds in the playoffs right now, and one of which took us having a decimated team and extreme weather to lose.  Not to mention, had Bass just hit his FG's in both games we likely don't lose either game.  

 

The reactions to a Bills loss this board are so stupid it makes being on the boards practically unbearable.  Allen is still on pace to break season records, still the #1 seed in the AFC, still first in the division, still leads the NFL in total yards and total TD's, and has been a one man wrecking crew for the Bills.  

 

Not to mention...during the first half, Allen was trending on twitter saying he is the MVP and its not close after his 2 TD runs.  One bad half later and Bills fans are on here saying he cant win now.  

 

I don't know how some of you get through your days with all the roller coaster of emotions you have on over the top hot takes off every little thing.  

Nobody watched that game in full and said thats a MVP.  Last week either.  Get a grip instead of just bashing people that are being honest

[Alphadawg7]

17 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

Currently running from behind after 2 brutal performances 

Nobody watched that game in full and said thats a MVP.  Last week either.  Get a grip instead of just bashing people that are being honest

You are confusing the word honest with the phrase over dramatic.  
 

There are people in here declaring that the man (Allen) leading the NFL in total yards and touchdowns, and on pace to break the NFL record, who is the number one seed in the AFC and already beat Mahomes in KC is now done and out of the MVP race.

 

And I am the one who needs to get a grip?  LMAO

[Gunsgoodtime]

40 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

You are confusing the word honest with the phrase over dramatic.  
 

There are people in here declaring that the man (Allen) leading the NFL in total yards and touchdowns, and on pace to break the NFL record, who is the number one seed in the AFC and already beat Mahomes in KC is now done and out of the MVP race.

 

And I am the one who needs to get a grip?  LMAO

Well I'm not that person, but feel free to call me out on a honest post

Edited November 7, 2022 by Gunsgoodtime