Is Boston Media finally starting to sour on Bilicheat?

[Beast]

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[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

It's the end for him there.  He is a good football coach, but Tom Brady made him the best ever.    

Hard disagree on this one.  People like to just remember the most recent.  But the early days of the Pats, Tom was a game manager with scrubs for offensive weapons to work with and they still won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years.  

 

BB took a weak and depleted roster and a noodle arm rookie QB and got them to the playoffs and had them contending for the divisional crown in a season they weren’t even supposed to be a .500 team.  
 

BB is a terrible GM lately, there is no hiding from the draft record the past 5 seasons.  But the dude is probably the greatest coach to ever live.  
 

BB and Tom elevated each other’s careers.  One wasn’t only the result of the other.  
 

People always want to give just one of them credit, which is puzzling.  They are both the GOATS and both have proven it over and over again respectively.

[Lafromboise]

People forget 9/11 happened and this country needed "PATRIOTS"

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

The Tuck

 

SpyGate 

 

21 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Tom was a game manager with scrubs for offensive weapons to work with and they still won 3 Super Bowls in 4 years.

Pats*** 

Let us not forget that BB had to bend the rules and apologize later when he broke them unnoticed.  
 

 

1 minute ago, Lafromboise said:

People forget 9/11 happened and this country needed "PATRIOTS"

I’ve always thought that myself 

 

THE TUCK 

[Lafromboise]

1 minute ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

The Tuck

 

SpyGate 

 

Pats*** 

Let us not forget that BB had to bend the rules and apologize later when he broke them unnoticed.  
 

 

I’ve always thought that myself 

 

THE TUCK 

I Firmly believe it.

[klos63]

9 hours ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

 

While this is all true...drafting a generational QB in the 6th round will boost a coach and Belicheck is sub 500 without Tom...it shouldn't denigrate Belicheat as a coach.

 

- His plan/defense won SB25 for the Giants.

- His Browns won a playoff game (it was almost 30 years before that happened again)

- He beat the Bills in that stupid wind game.  The Pats had no business doing that.

- He got the Pats to the playoffs with a rookie Mac Jones.

 

He's a cheater and he was helped by Tommy, but he is still a great coach.

 

Thank God he is a terrible GM (and I mean that literally).

People still think that. We had 378 yards in 19 minutes of possession. a point per minute of possession.  We win if we had a FG kicker.

[ganesh]

6 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

The Boston media us like the classic hit "Turn Turn Turn"

 

Every year the Patriots are horrible, haven't done enough in the off season, Doomed (this is during the successful years)

Lose a few games and go 2-2 after 4: Doomed.  Then they win and are in contention and the Boston Media always knew that Belly Cheat was a Genius and the Patriots QB is the Best Ever

 

Compare and contrast early season coverage last season to mid season. 

 

Early season Belicheck was finally done and the Pats were a ***** show

 

Mid season Mac Jones was the greatest rookie QB ever and the Pats were unstoppable.

 

I expect media is the same everywhere but the Boston media seems to take it to an extreme

All big market media are a lot more critical than their counterparts from the smaller regions. 

[Long Suffering Fan]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

People still think that. We had 378 yards in 19 minutes of possession. a point per minute of possession.  We win if we had a FG kicker.

 

Because it is true.  We had beat the Giants earlier in the year, on the road, without Kelly.  We had just obliterated the Raiders.  The offense was the best it ever was.  We only got 19 minutes of possession because the Giants knew we were better than them and they wanted to shorten the game.  Belicheat's defense won the game for them because the Giants got stops.

 

Not counting a kneel down at the end of the 1st half, the Bills had 10 drives.

- 1 FG

- 1 FG Miss

- 2 TD

- 6 punts

 

For comparison, I just looked it up.  In the previous playoff games, we punted 1 time in scoring 44 points against Miami and then we punted 2 times in scoring 51 points against the Raiders after the game was already essentially over.  3 total punts and only 1 first team punt in the playoffs before the SB.

Edited September 4, 2022 by Long Suffering Fan
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[Thurman#1]

I don't see this as the media souring on him.

 

They're just reporting a situation which doesn't look great and now hasn't for a couple of years. This is a rational response to what's going on.

 

Belichick has earned a lot of respect and a lot of latitude, but this is their third year post-Brady and things don't look good.

[Sierra Foothills]

8 hours ago, Beast said:

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Isn't that the lyrics of a Cat Stevens song?

 

Crazy about Salmon Rushdie btw isn't it?

 

5 hours ago, klos63 said:

People still think that. We had 378 yards in 19 minutes of possession. a point per minute of possession.  We win if we had a FG kicker.

 

There were several reasons the Bills lost that game. Norwood is not the first of those reasons IMO. No need to resurrect this debate though.

 

[BullBuchanan]

16 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

It's the end for him there.  He is a good football coach, but Tom Brady made him the best ever.    

If not for Belichick, Tom Brady is working in Admissions at U of M instead of being the GOAT married to a super model richer than he is. He never would have played a down in the NFL. Probably wouldn't have even been invited to a camp. He's the greatest coach the game has ever seen and it's not even close.

Edited September 4, 2022 by BullBuchanan

[QCity]

5 hours ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

 

 We only got 19 minutes of possession because the Giants knew we were better than them and they wanted to shorten the game. 

 

We only got 19 minutes of possession because we couldn't get their offense off the field.

[Dr.Sack]

6 hours ago, Long Suffering Fan said:

 

Because it is true.  We had beat the Giants earlier in the year, on the road, without Kelly.  We had just obliterated the Raiders.  The offense was the best it ever was.  We only got 19 minutes of possession because the Giants knew we were better than them and they wanted to shorten the game.  Belicheat's defense won the game for them because the Giants got stops.

 

Not counting a kneel down at the end of the 1st half, the Bills had 10 drives.

- 1 FG

- 1 FG Miss

- 2 TD

- 6 punts

 

For comparison, I just looked it up.  In the previous playoff games, we punted 1 time in scoring 44 points against Miami and then we punted 2 times in scoring 51 points against the Raiders after the game was already essentially over.  3 total punts and only 1 first team punt in the playoffs before the SB.

Bruce causes a sack fumble in EZ, and not safety we win by 5, likely more as Gmen would have needed more passing late. 

[ganesh]

52 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

We only got 19 minutes of possession because we couldn't get their offense off the field.

or the 6 times we did not convert a 3rd down and had to punt.  Don't blame the defense for the whole failure.

[machine gun kelly]

18 hours ago, Doc said:

 

Ideally, but at some point he's going to realize it's not worth it and/or more likely, Kraft will.  The atrocious drafting and development of players can't be overlooked and I have no doubt he sees what's going on in Tampa Bay.

Doc, with you’re medical knowledge should know that having a dream and a plan if misery is the best medicine for Bills fans everywhere.  I clamor for the 90s hapless patriots mulling in the abyss with those horrendous red and white unis.

 

Cant a boy dream Doc?

 

I know you’re speaking in reality vs. my longing for sweet vengeance. Kraft will probably pull the trigger after next year if he has two more bad years.  He’ll give him some Consulting position to save face like they just did in Tampa with Arians (living here there are a lot of raised eyebrows how that’s going to workout).  Too many chefs in the kitchen.

[Captain Hindsight]

10 hours ago, Lafromboise said:

People forget 9/11 happened and this country needed "PATRIOTS"

This is why I firmly believe the Browns will never win anything with “Whip out my dick Watson” under center 

[billybob71]

Everyone wondering why he has two ex head coaches as his offensive assistants, my take is that if the year starts out badly he can resign (cut and run) and Patricia/ Judge become head coach and OC

[Coffeesforclosers]

Bill Belichick is a great coach. He used to be a great coach with great assistants (Nick Caserio, Dante Scarnnecchia, Josh McDaniels) and great players (Tom Brady, etc.).  Even his shadow and master of the dark arts Ernie Adams is gone. 

 

For whatever reason, for all his talent and experience, he can't develop or hire good assistants. His success rate in the draft is abysmal. 

 

He coaches the hell out of what he's got, and finds a few gems in rounds 4-7. But the gist of the article is, coaching the hell out of what he's got is the bare minimum, and it's not good enough. 

 

I think this is article is decent Boston sports reporters trying to bring spoiled Pats fans down to earth. Much more a piece about how soon, Bill is going to hang them up and the glory days will be well and truly dead. But it might be more a "pull the plug" type exit for Bill rather than riding off into the sunset with a last Lombardi. 

 

[mannc]

21 hours ago, Doc said:

After they don't make the playoffs this year, he'll be politely asked to retire.

I think they might be a 4-13 team this year…if they get blown out by Miami in week 1, watch out.

[benderbender]

Perhaps they're souring on him because the gap has been too long. Enough time has passed so that the default response to any criticism can't be "he just took us to a Super Bowl, cram it." Now they have the time to think about why he's considered an all time coach. 

 

If he is/was such a great coach, why did he develop the most sophisticated practice spying system ever seen? Why were only his teams known league-wide for stealing playbooks? Why was his Super Bowl spying tape so egregious it had to be destroyed? Why did only his QB get caught manipulating balls? Why was only his team responsible for having substitutions/formations made illegal the next season? Why would his protégé Josh McDaniels be accused by his own players of doing the same cheating when he got his own head coaching position in Denver? Why can none of his coaching tree win without the cheating nectar and they always come back? 

 

The man was raised on football. He was a ball boy growing up. He has vast football knowledge. But if all that football acumen wasn't enough for him to believe he could win with, then why should it count for you? And if it does, do you go line by line redacting the scandal years and add up the remainder? This goat talk is fit for the politics section of the board at this point. 

 

 

[Sierra Foothills]

1 hour ago, benderbender said:

If he is/was such a great coach, why did he develop the most sophisticated practice spying system ever seen? Why were only his teams known league-wide for stealing playbooks? Why was his Super Bowl spying tape so egregious it had to be destroyed? Why did only his QB get caught manipulating balls? Why was only his team responsible for having substitutions/formations made illegal the next season? Why would his protégé Josh McDaniels be accused by his own players of doing the same cheating when he got his own head coaching position in Denver? Why can none of his coaching tree win without the cheating nectar and they always come back?

 

 

[Albany,n.y.]

4 hours ago, billybob71 said:

Everyone wondering why he has two ex head coaches as his offensive assistants, my take is that if the year starts out badly he can resign (cut and run) and Patricia/ Judge become head coach and OC

These two are among the worst head coaches ever.  BB is not resigning & handing things over to either one of these incompetent boobs.  

The reason he brought them back is he likes them & knows he can push them around and they'll take it because they have no choice.  That's probably the main reason why he likes them. 

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

22 hours ago, ExWNYer said:

As long as Kraft is the owner, Belichick is more than likely safe. Krafty is probably too preoccupied with scouring strip malls across the country looking for his next 'rub and tug' to care. 

BB knows too much for Kraft to ever let him go involuntarily.  Also, Kraft knows too much for BB to ever go to another team.  Meanwhile, BB brings in "something north of $20 million/year."  They are stuck with each other until one of them checks out.

[Sierra Foothills]

2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

These two are among the worst head coaches ever.  BB is not resigning & handing things over to either one of these incompetent boobs.  

The reason he brought them back is he likes them & knows he can push them around and they'll take it because they have no choice.  That's probably the main reason why he likes them. 

 

Matt Patricia and Joe Judge asking Belichick for their jobs back...

 

[billybob71]

2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

These two are among the worst head coaches ever.  BB is not resigning & handing things over to either one of these incompetent boobs.  

The reason he brought them back is he likes them & knows he can push them around and they'll take it because they have no choice.  That's probably the main reason why he likes them. 

Never said they were good head coaches, don't have to be good to get a bad team through the rest of the year after BB quits, then they hire someone in offseason

[Forlorn hope]

Everything comes to an end. It's imo as hard as it is to admit the greatest dynasty in sports history for a myriad of reasons. 

 

Patriots fans are having a hard time coming back to reality. Like the hilarious comparison between Jones and Brady... It's like dude Mac may be a decent QB, but you're never going back to what you had. 

 

It's like Celtic fans thinking they could replace bird after he retired right away. 

 

It's insane to think like that 

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, billybob71 said:

Never said they were good head coaches, don't have to be good to get a bad team through the rest of the year after BB quits, then they hire someone in offseason

He's not quitting unless he has a fatal illness.  Do you know something his doctors are sworn to secrecy about?  

[vincec]

People make this more complicated than it is. Belichick is a very good coach. There are a lot of very good coaches in the NFL. Tom Brady is what made him great.

[Dirtbag]

53 minutes ago, vincec said:

People make this more complicated than it is. Belichick is a very good coach. There are a lot of very good coaches in the NFL. Tom Brady is what made him great.

yup. also doesn't hurt that the three other teams in the division were paragons of ineptitude for 20 years.

[PromoTheRobot]

Listen to 98.5 the Sports Hub (WBZ-FM) anytime and hear similar thoughts. They know training camp was a cluster****.

Edited September 4, 2022 by PromoTheRobot

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 9/3/2022 at 11:11 AM, muppy said:

I am quoting this thread and link from a bills copadre @MR8 
 

 

Very interesting read: 

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/08/...young-players/



 

 

shoot this is a paywall. Boo. Im sorry this is paywalled.  Thoughts?

I’m not sure their draft last year was even as good as it looked…there were more easy wins than ever on the afc east schedule last season.  
 

I think the dolphins and pats fans could be unpleasantly surprised this season with a tougher schedule.  We choked pretty hard during the regular season last year so i still think we’re gonna win more games than last year 

Edited September 4, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[JohnNord]

Like most GM’s, Belichick had his share of hits and misses.  It always seemed like NE had additional draft picks, so you might argue  he’s missed more than the average GM.  

Brady helped elevate an average cast of players on offense.  Once he left, NE saw how depleted their skills players were in 2020.  Rather than rebuild slowly they tried to overhaul the offense in an offseason and missed badly.  

 

Belichick’s strength has always been defense.  His drafting on defense is better and he seems to always find players he can plug in to become productive.   

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

1 hour ago, vincec said:

People make this more complicated than it is. Belichick is a very good coach. There are a lot of very good coaches in the NFL. Tom Brady is what made him great.

Great coach but I don’t think he’s even a good gm.  His whole philosophy seemed to rely on Brady carrying the weight of the offense with only role players to work with at the skill positions.  Seems like that has caught up to them 

[Behindenemylines]

I would find it very funny to see BB canned by Kraft after what could be a disaster season in 2022. Would put the icing on his career of cheating and screwing over players and cement the fact that Tommy was the magic-which I have no issue with. 
 

[ToGoGo]

How much of his decline is due to not being able to steal play calls anymore?

 

Every time I see fans praise Belichick or Brady, I cringe a bit. How can you cheat as much as they have, and still have any respect from other fanbases? I think it's ESPN/NBC/FOX brainwashing of fans. It's a constant feedback loop of "Brady is the GOAT" until fans start to regurgitate it. If the media treated Brady and Belichick with the permanent asterisks that they deserve, a lot less fans would place them so highly. 

 

Every time Brady turtles when he sees a DE near him I wince. That's the type of cowardice we place on a pedestal now? "It's smart! He can play longer". Whatever. He's a coward in my eyes. Do you know how many other QBs may have played until 45 if they believed they could play touch football in their later years? What's the fun in having the rules in your favor?

 

Every time I used a cheat code in a video game, I quickly lost interest in the game. How does Brady continue to have interest in the game after so much cheating? It all seems very sociopathic to me. And not in a Jordan sort of way. 

[Sierra Foothills]

4 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

Every time I used a cheat code in a video game, I quickly lost interest in the game. How does Brady continue to have interest in the game after so much cheating? It all seems very sociopathic to me. And not in a Jordan sort of way. 

 

So you've admitted to cheating in games more than once but you admonish and condemn Bradychick for cheating?

 

That's kind of funny to me.

[ToGoGo]

19 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

So you've admitted to cheating in games more than once but you admonish and condemn Bradychick for cheating?

 

That's kind of funny to me.

 

Great conclusion. 

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

 

Great conclusion. 

 

Well it's the obvious one...

[ToGoGo]

23 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Well it's the obvious one...

 

For you, it is. 

[Sierra Foothills]

5 hours ago, ToGoGo said:

Every time I used a cheat code in a video game, I quickly lost interest in the game. How does Brady continue to have interest in the game after so much cheating? It all seems very sociopathic to me. And not in a Jordan sort of way. 

 

Okay I give up.

 

What's the moral of the story?