Believer Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Sorry for the kid… Sorrier for the girl… Sorry for their families and friends and his Bills teammates… Just a sorry situation… Full of lessons for other young people… and other sports teams… and their managements… Beane and McDermott made the right decision and struck the right tone in their pressers… Impressive men… Beane has plenty to consider in a post mortem review of how this unfolded… Back to football… 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 17 minutes ago, Motorin' said: I got the opposite. Beane wouldn't answer when asked if MA with held info, but inadvertently confirmed that he had. Beane said they didn't know anything during the draft, and that Araiza's agent knew nothing. But Araiza had been investigated by the police prior to the draft, and allegations were made against him on campus at SD State. So Araiza failed to disclose during the pre-draft process to the Bills or his agent. Is this the case of the scouts (or the Bills internal investigations team) doing a piss poor job of NOT knowing of a police complaint against the player ? I think these are the folks who need to be fired for putting this franchise in this position. And if they did know about it and put it under the mat, Kim should be personally firing them 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, SCBills said: Kobe did. Bills are not the lakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Quite possibly another team may not view it as that much of a distraction. It’s the NFL after all. I agree the position isn’t way up in the hierarchy. If he comes to a settlement and DA doesn't prosecute then he could get picked up later in the year, but until that is resolved, not team can touch him without getting a nuclear meltdown of PR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Malazan said: If he comes to a settlement and DA doesn't prosecute then he could get picked up later in the year, but until that is resolved, not team can touch him without getting a nuclear meltdown of PR. I still think that'd be a PR shitstorm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ColoradoBills Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Believer said: Sorry for the kid… Sorrier for the girl… Sorry for their families and friends and his Bills teammates… Just a sorry situation… Full of lessons for other young people… and other sports teams… and their managements… Beane and McDermott made the right decision and struck the right tone in their pressers… Impressive men… Beane has plenty to consider in a post mortem review of how this unfolded… Back to football… Well said. If you look at the whole situation and wanted to do the "Cliff Notes" you nailed it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Just now, Warcodered said: I still think that'd be a PR shitstorm. Its unfair, but he needs something that explicitly shows his innocence. Post-Watson, he got hit with about the worst allegation that could ever be leveled at someone in the NFL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Great move. Had to be done. People are apparently recoiling at the awful details, but yet you still have the handful of always contrarians that feel he, of all people, got a bad deal... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Believer said: Sorry for the kid… Sorrier for the girl… Sorry for their families and friends and his Bills teammates… Just a sorry situation… Full of lessons for other young people… and other sports teams… and their managements… Beane and McDermott made the right decision and struck the right tone in their pressers… Impressive men… Beane has plenty to consider in a post mortem review of how this unfolded… Back to football… > Beane has plenty to consider in a post mortem review of how this unfolded… Well put. This is a black mark on Beane and his team. They missed on a basic red flag. San Diego State is not a tiny college in some no-man borough 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) I’ll simply say that I think the Bills did the right thing. Removing “right and wrong” and the ethics of the situation and simply looking at this from a football and business standpoint…the distraction, PR nightmare, and hit to the team culture and reputation were simply not worth it. The Bills simply could not afford to roster this player — and all of the distraction that that entails — while the legal process played out over a series of weeks or months. I, personally, am relieved that I don’t have to cheer for a man who even MAY have committed such a heinous act. I think the Bills showed sound judgement and made the only logical decision they could make at this point. Here’s hoping for justice to be served in this civil case, whatever that may mean, and for peace for the (alleged) victim and her family. Back to football. On to the Rams. Edited August 28, 2022 by Logic 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I still think that'd be a PR shitstorm. Yes, but at that point I think a team might consider it. Right now, it's beyond any feasibility that he gets picked up. To be clear, any team that does it is disgusting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, ganesh said: > Beane has plenty to consider in a post mortem review of how this unfolded… Well put. This is a black mark on Beane and his team. They missed on a basic red flag. San Diego State is not a tiny college in some no-man borough A quote I always liked. 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, ganesh said: Is this the case of the scouts (or the Bills internal investigations team) doing a piss poor job of NOT knowing of a police complaint against the player ? I think these are the folks who need to be fired for putting this franchise in this position. And if they did know about it and put it under the mat, Kim should be personally firing them IDK. The details included in the civil suit that dropped Friday appear to be entirely new 'information' to the Bills and likely even MA (and who knows, maybe even the police). It's one thing for the plaintiff's lawyer to say, "we're going to sue you" in July but another to lay out their version of events in the civil suit (which, as the lawyer himself said, was intended to be as shocking as possible to motivate the police to file a criminal charge). No one had those details before Friday, so how could the Bills have done a 'piss poor job' of evaluating the situation? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Just now, Logic said: I’ll simply say that I think the Bills did the right thing. Removing “right and wrong” and the ethics of the situation and simply looking at this from a football and business standpoint…the distraction, PR nightmare, and hit to the team culture and reputation were simply not worth it. The Bills simply could not afford to roster this player — and all of the distraction that that entails — while the legal process played out over a series of weeks or months. I, personally, am relieved that I don’t have to cheer for a man who even MAY have committed such a heinous act. I think the Bills showed sound judgement and made the only logical de idiot they could make at this point. Here’s hoping for justice to be served in this case, whatever that may mean, and for peace for the (alleged) victim and her family. Back to football. On to the Rams. Fair. Hope other young athletes are watching how a career gets derailed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 35 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Quite possibly another team may not view it as that much of a distraction. It’s the NFL after all. I agree the position isn’t way up in the hierarchy. The Browns are the clear front runners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Mark Gaughn wrote a pretty good article https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/bills-release-punter-matt-araiza-after-rape-allegations-in-civil-suit/article_2a696b94-2648-11ed-8873-afd9d1a64e51.html Might be paywalled Some fairly clear info on timeline: Quote Beane said the team did not know about allegations when it picked Araiza in the sixth round of the NFL draft in late April. “We did not know about this, and the league did not know about this,” Beane said. “We’ve reached out to I can tell you double-digit teams at this point, and no one had anything on this. These names were sealed, wherever the investigation was at that point. Yes, if we had this, and we get things like this from guys, you know how important the character and the culture is to Sean (McDermott) and me. And anything that would have been lingering, (Araiza) would have been off our board.” Beane said the team did not find out about the allegations until late July. The attorney for the alleged victim in the case, Daniel Gilleon, spoke with Kathryn D’Angelo, the Bills’ assistant general counsel, on July 31. Quote Asked if the release of the 11-page civil suit brought to light details he wasn’t aware of, Beane said: “Well, they were accusations,” Beane said. “It just clarified exactly what they were. And at that point, it's a real civil case. It's not a, this may happen. It's something that you have to respond to, and at this point we're not the judge and jury.” Quote “I would say we had the boulders of what was going to be accused or alleged. But at that point, it wasn't an actual case. And there was, one of the things you look at is, where is this criminally? That’s what you're trying to find out. And so, we were just, again, trying to look at everything. (Any) one of those things on there, if true, would be a no go for us. You know what I mean? So we didn't need all that. We just needed to try and put as many facts together as we could in a limited amount of time.” Quote The Bills released a statement Thursday saying, in part, “Due to the serious nature of the complaint, we conducted a thorough examination of this matter.” Beane acknowledged: “I mean, as thorough as we can be with what we were able to get our hands on. We probably should have said ongoing. It wasn’t completed. We don’t have a lot of things right now, we really don’t. This is very serious.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: And there are posters here who actually believe that the Bills should have stood behind this individual of questionable character who represents a swirling cloud of distraction? The argument that this now shows Bills players that management doesn't have their back may truly be the dumbest thing I've read all week. No, I'm pretty sure that's not the takeaway. I can almost guarantee that veterans who aren't rapists aren't second guessing leadership because of a rookie who at minimum made some absolutely terrible decisions. I wouldn't doubt if some are relieved that they don't have to deal with this distraction. Edited August 28, 2022 by Nelius 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Bye Arapeza. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 16 minutes ago, Malazan said: If he comes to a settlement and DA doesn't prosecute then he could get picked up later in the year, but until that is resolved, not team can touch him without getting a nuclear meltdown of PR. Agree. The optics of the accusations are very very bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 53 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: i think we have one of the most funny pro sports twitters.... but wtf are we doing here?!?! no picture, especially not in our jersey. your choices were stick by him, or distance. they chose distancing, and then use a picture. unreal. roll heads over there, idgaf I took Beane as being in his corner and McD as not. Beane could have said “If Matt is innocent he needs time to manage this. If Matt is guilty he can’t be apart of this organization”. But everything Beane said was about how MA needed time and space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Shake_My_Head said: IDK. The details included in the civil suit that dropped Friday appear to be entirely new 'information' to the Bills and likely even MA (and who knows, maybe even the police). It's one thing for the plaintiff's lawyer to say, "we're going to sue you" in July but another to lay out their version of events in the civil suit (which, as the lawyer himself said, was intended to be as shocking as possible to motivate the police to file a criminal charge). No one had those details before Friday, so how could the Bills have done a 'piss poor job' of evaluating the situation? I mean - there is.a police complaint by the girl registered last year when the event occurred! And two teams by-passed him in the draft in April when he was considered the Best punter coming out of college. Edited August 28, 2022 by ganesh 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nelius said: The argument that this now shows Bills players that management doesn't have their back may truly be the dumbest thing I've read all week. No, I'm pretty sure that's not the takeaway. I can almost guarantee that veterans who aren't rapists aren't second guessing leadership because of a rookie who at minimum made some absolutely terrible decisions. I wouldn't doubt if some are relieved that they don't have to deal with this distraction. Didn't Barkley actually say on the podium that some of that was "very hard to read"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpmfla Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Beane stated several times that they were letting Matt go because they "thought it was best for Matt"...not once stating that they were doing what was best for the Bills organization. While I have always liked and respected Beane from what little I've seen and heard, that seems at the very least an obviously disingenuous statement. 1 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, ganesh said: I mean - there is.a police complaint by the girl registered last year when the event occurred! Is that public information in any way at this point? Just now, rpmfla said: Beane stated several times that they were letting Matt go because they "thought it was best for Matt"...not once stating that they were doing what was best for the Bills organization. While I have always liked and respected Beane from what little I've seen and heard, that seems at the very least an obviously disingenuous statement. Agree Edited August 28, 2022 by Beck Water 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, HOUSE said: I am removing the bag now Oh, why not keep it on! It’s a good look…….for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Just now, rpmfla said: Beane stated several times that they were letting Matt go because they "thought it was best for Matt"...not once stating that they were doing what was best for the Bills organization. While I have always liked and respected Beane from what little I've seen and heard, that seems at the very least an obviously disingenuous statement. I took noticed of this too. It really rubbed me the wrong way. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Nelius said: The argument that this now shows Bills players that management doesn't have their back may truly be the dumbest thing I've read all week. No, I'm pretty sure that's not the takeaway. I can almost guarantee that veterans who aren't rapists aren't second guessing leadership because of a rookie who at minimum made some absolutely terrible decisions. I wouldn't doubt if some are relieved that they don't have to deal with this distraction. well put 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 44 minutes ago, Ralonzo said: Either it was the right thing to support him against an allegation without compelling evidence, or it was the right thing to dismiss him for an allegation with compelling evidence. One of those is the case. Considering that actual Law Enforcement has not found enough evidence to believe any of the civil allegations are chargeable since freaking October, I'm dubious about the latter. Right now, who knows what the evidence of the matter is? There is apparently the one 11-page allegation. One source. This argument that "if he clears his name once we find out what happens, then we will welcome him back" is risible. The Bills should hope and hard as they can that this is not the case, because otherwise management has just served notice to 53 players that the organization does not have their back if someone spuriously accuses them of x-y-z. The "season is too important" "distraction" canard is for knaves who either won't do the right thing or just don't know what it is. There is easily a ton of middle ground. They can support him and recognize at this time the most important thing for Matt if he is truly innocent is to step away from the game and work with his lawyers on his defense. If he stays on the team - there is potential interference to his practice ability along with the team distractions. If you take Beane at his word (and I do within reason) - this was discussed with Matt early on and Matt understood the decision and they parted. Maybe if Matt clears this up and is acquitted- his respect would allow him to return - we will see. It could also be just fine to release him with less than compelling evidence- because there is now a case he has to defend himself in. Based upon McD yesterday and Beane today - I think there are still a lot of gaps in what evidence is available and what is true. I think the Bills Brass feel it is in Matt’s best interest to defend himself and in the Bills best interest to find a stable replacement before other things interfere at horrible times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 46 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Is accusation the better term? I'm just trying to keep things accurate. People think he was criminally charged. He was sued. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mango said: I took Beane as being in his corner and McD as not. Beane could have said “If Matt is innocent he needs time to manage this. If Matt is guilty he can’t be apart of this organization”. But everything Beane said was about how MA needed time and space. I took Beane as letting everyone know this is the last time we are going to discuss this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shake_My_Head Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, ganesh said: I mean - there is.a police complaint by the girl registered last year when the event occurred! And two teams by-passed him in the draft in April when he was considered the Best punter coming out of college. The police have not charged him--in fact, they only finished their investigation this week and sent the results to the DA. So, no police 'complaint' exists as of yet. And he was never considered the best punter coming out of college. He had the best marketing buzz but there was no consensus that he was better than Stoudt of Penn State (who got picked in the 4th round). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBud17 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Glad they released him but don't want to hear nothing about Bills culture from them again. They knew of these accusations before they released Haack and were hoping it would never see the daylight 3 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, rpmfla said: Beane stated several times that they were letting Matt go because they "thought it was best for Matt"...not once stating that they were doing what was best for the Bills organization. While I have always liked and respected Beane from what little I've seen and heard, that seems at the very least an obviously disingenuous statement. It obviously is disingenuous, as it should be.. He’s not going to say “we cut him because failed modernity has forced our hand.” 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Just now, PromoTheRobot said: I'm just trying to keep things accurate. People think he was criminally charged. He was sued. He has a pending/open criminal investigation for rape in which he is named a suspect. In the interest of accuracy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, rpmfla said: Beane stated several times that they were letting Matt go because they "thought it was best for Matt"...not once stating that they were doing what was best for the Bills organization. While I have always liked and respected Beane from what little I've seen and heard, that seems at the very least an obviously disingenuous statement. Agreed. This is a first PR misstep by Beane. Are they really afraid that the players will revolt against the management for this action? Beane made a fair comment that the information was sealed and not available to them during the draft - Fair enough. However, they came to know about it on July 31st. They have ignored such a serious thing and waiting 25 days for the bomb of the civil suit to come out before they took action. This puts them in poor light on such a decision making, especially with a woman owner to whom they were reporting. And now, finally, if they had come out saying that the "Bills Image" was more important for the Owners, Coaches, Players and Staff then the Bills would have come out as an organization that cares. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, Nelius said: The argument that this now shows Bills players that management doesn't have their back may truly be the dumbest thing I've read all week. Agreed. If anything they reinforced that they had the backs of everyone else in the locker room by dealing with this one individual - cutting him loose for the benefit of the team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Rico said: I took Beane as letting everyone know this is the last time we are going to discuss this. I have not seen it yet, but this would be the approach I would hope for. This will NOT drag on, it is now history. Let’s learn from the past, but let’s all look forward. We have a season to play. . Edited August 28, 2022 by Augie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, hemma said: I was wondering if he walked with enough to help his parents with the legal bills. I bet there will be a stack. I was thinking the same thing. Both lawyers, Matt’s parents, her, and Matt all have a very different monetary perspective at the moment. An outcome all should have seen coming when those 11 pages hit the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 11 minutes ago, rpmfla said: Beane stated several times that they were letting Matt go because they "thought it was best for Matt"...not once stating that they were doing what was best for the Bills organization. While I have always liked and respected Beane from what little I've seen and heard, that seems at the very least an obviously disingenuous statement. Only thing that struck wrong. He just have said "what was best for all parties." Not sure why he kept putting it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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