OT Deshaun getting ready for a sit down with NFL

[78thealltimegreat]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Can we title threads with actual words and full names instead of slang and street talk? Sheeesh

Yet despite it being street talk somehow you knew who the topic was about.  A Gold Star for you. Nice job! 

[SirAndrew]

28 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

I don't believe he has any criminal charges pending, so why would they wait for civil cases to dispo?

 

 

Exactly, the NFL not having their “punishment” figured out at this point is an embarrassment. 

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Yet despite it being street talk somehow you knew who the topic was about.  A Gold Star for you. Nice job! 

Hey….I had to read thru a whole bunch of responses just to figure it out. Sort of a fun scavenger hunt. 😉

[Buffalo Junction]

5 hours ago, Mikie's Bills said:

Hoping Baker shows up on the first day on Mini Camp with a T-shirt that says "I believe sexual assault victims" for maximum drama

Can Baker use “me too” for social justice message on his helmet?

[78thealltimegreat]

58 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Hey….I had to read thru a whole bunch of responses just to figure it out. Sort of a fun scavenger hunt. 😉

You know it. 

[KDIGGZ]

Trevor Bauer got 2 years for 1 girl so Deshaun deserves 44 years for 22 girls. It's math

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

Exactly, the NFL not having their “punishment” figured out at this point is an embarrassment. 

they haven’t spoken to the guy yet

[SirAndrew]

43 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

they haven’t spoken to the guy yet

That’s kind of my point. Is there a reason for that? Football season begins relatively soon. The league had plenty of time to speak with him to come up with potential discipline in a timely manner. The issue has been hanging over the league for a while. Either discipline the dude or not. I’m at the point where it seems like the league shouldn’t even bother. The dude should have been suspended a long time ago if that’s the end goal anyway. 

[BillsShredder83]

12 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

That’s kind of my point. Is there a reason for that? Football season begins relatively soon. The league had plenty of time to speak with him to come up with potential discipline in a timely manner. The issue has been hanging over the league for a while. Either discipline the dude or not. I’m at the point where it seems like the league shouldn’t even bother. The dude should have been suspended a long time ago if that’s the end goal anyway. 

The longer they wait the more it simmers down. How many league altering trades, FA signings, draft pick implications have taken place to move media story lines elsewhere.

 

You can't drop a 4 or 5 game suspension on the guy, like they ABSOLUTELY want to, when the fires burning hot. 

 

Cleveland is a hot mess, or as owners see it 1 of 32 (3%), is a dumpster fire that needs stability asap. Get this charade punishment over with, and get a premier player back in.

 

I will be absolutely shocked if it's more than 4 games. If its messing with owners pockets, that's all they care about.

[SirAndrew]

1 minute ago, BillsShredder83 said:

The longer they wait the more it simmers down. How many league altering trades, FA signings, draft pick implications have taken place to move media story lines elsewhere.

 

You can't drop a 4 or 5 game suspension on the guy, like they ABSOLUTELY want to, when the fires burning hot. 

 

Cleveland is a hot mess, or as owners see it 1 of 32 (3%), is a dumpster fire that needs stability asap. Get this charade punishment over with, and get a premier player back in.

 

I will be absolutely shocked if it's more than 4 games. If its messing with owners pockets, that's all they care about.

Great points, but you articulate the very thing that bothers me about the league. They’re waiting for the smoke to clear to come down with a short suspension. It’s a charade punishment, or it would have happened long ago. The league doesn’t require legal guilt to suspend a player, so it should have happened in Houston imo. I really wish they had the courage to not suspend him at all, as that’s what they want, but are worried about a negative response. Watson’s future suspension relies upon people who can’t see through the charade. There’s no sincerity in any of this, but I shouldn’t expect much better. 

 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

He shouldn't get too attached to the cash from his guaranteed contract.  When the civil cases are concluded, he may be really light in the old wallet.  Juries will be hard pressed to completely disregard 20 plus claims against him.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

That’s kind of my point. Is there a reason for that? Football season begins relatively soon. The league had plenty of time to speak with him to come up with potential discipline in a timely manner. The issue has been hanging over the league for a while. Either discipline the dude or not. I’m at the point where it seems like the league shouldn’t even bother. The dude should have been suspended a long time ago if that’s the end goal anyway. 

NFL is talking to him this week I believe but … oh *****…

 

 

Edited May 17, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[BillsShredder83]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

NFL is talking to him this week I believe but … oh *****…

 

 

This feels click baity in intent. This news story is always available in the back pocket when nothings going on. Mind as well time it with Watson coming to town, get all the engagement from jokes 😆 pretty smart really

1 hour ago, SirAndrew said:

Great points, but you articulate the very thing that bothers me about the league. They’re waiting for the smoke to clear to come down with a short suspension. It’s a charade punishment, or it would have happened long ago. The league doesn’t require legal guilt to suspend a player, so it should have happened in Houston imo. I really wish they had the courage to not suspend him at all, as that’s what they want, but are worried about a negative response. Watson’s future suspension relies upon people who can’t see through the charade. There’s no sincerity in any of this, but I shouldn’t expect much better. 

 

I completely agree. I'd rather they came out, said 1 game, we won't be taking any more questions and move on.

I could respect "there's about 10 good qbs in the world, this morons one, and we gotta business to run".

 

It's a slap in the face seeing Goodell mope around, talk all somber. The dude literally looks like a robot trying to imitate human emotions lol

 

We all know what this is... don't treat us all like we're too dumb to understand.

[ArtVandalay]

Trevor Bauer got 2 years, give Watson the same or more. 

 

Heck a fan running on the field gets you banned for life. 

Edited May 17, 2022 by ArtVandalay

[Mr. WEO]

9 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

That’s kind of my point. Is there a reason for that? Football season begins relatively soon. The league had plenty of time to speak with him to come up with potential discipline in a timely manner. The issue has been hanging over the league for a while. Either discipline the dude or not. I’m at the point where it seems like the league shouldn’t even bother. The dude should have been suspended a long time ago if that’s the end goal anyway. 

maybe he hasn’t made himself available.  
 

if they gave him 6 or 8 games in February or if they do it next month, what’s the difference?  Suspension begins week 1, not in May

[CircleTheWagons99]

I guess kneeling is more of a crime to the NFL then raping people.

[mannc]

15 hours ago, NoSaint said:

right so he’s getting a full paycheck this year even if suspended. Only 1m at risk for him. 

Well, Watson received full pay last year, while serving an unacknowledged suspension.  If Watson has to sit out all or a substantial portion of this season, you have to wonder if he’ll ever be anything close to what he was as a player….

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

15 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I don't know if Baker is smart enough to realize the opportunity in front of him.  Instead of collecting $18 million & getting a chance to get a big next contract with another team if he lights it up while Watson is suspended, he's whining and asking for a trade to a team where he has to learn a whole new offense.  

*Narrator*

 

He was, in fact, not smart enough

[Don Otreply]

11 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

The longer they wait the more it simmers down. How many league altering trades, FA signings, draft pick implications have taken place to move media story lines elsewhere.

 

You can't drop a 4 or 5 game suspension on the guy, like they ABSOLUTELY want to, when the fires burning hot. 

 

Cleveland is a hot mess, or as owners see it 1 of 32 (3%), is a dumpster fire that needs stability asap. Get this charade punishment over with, and get a premier player back in.

 

I will be absolutely shocked if it's more than 4 games. If its messing with owners pockets, that's all they care about.

The owners/NFL made it clear a long time ago that dirt bags are totally welcome in their private money making charade, money is their god and the single motivation in their lives, it is the corporate way.  

[ILBillsfan]

Imagine if the NFL was like the MLB and handed out a 2yr suspension

[BillsShredder83]

16 minutes ago, ILBillsfan said:

Imagine if the NFL was like the MLB and handed out a 2yr suspension

Bauer is bigger to baseball than Watson is to nfl too, I think

[The Wiz]

4 hours ago, CircleTheWagons99 said:

I guess kneeling is more of a crime to the NFL then raping people.

Don't forget gambling. 

[benderbender]

Other players have been suspended for far fewer allegations. If the NFL really wanted to send a message that they supported women, they'd suspend Watson for a year and let Cleveland suffer with Mayfield. 

[Punching Bag]

On 5/16/2022 at 3:14 PM, BillsShredder83 said:

Im pretty sure the legal side of this is strictly civil at this point, unless a new accuser comes forward

 

Unless he is found lying under oath in civil charges for which criminal charges can be brought.

On 5/17/2022 at 8:00 AM, CircleTheWagons99 said:

I guess kneeling is more of a crime to the NFL then raping people.

 

Kneeling is fine as long as you are kneeling to football god (money).

[frostbitmic]

On 5/17/2022 at 8:00 AM, CircleTheWagons99 said:

I guess kneeling is more of a crime to the NFL then raping people.

Not defending Watson here but when was he charged with rape ?

 

He asked girls for extras during a massage which I'm sure they get often in their profession. That makes him a horn dog not a rapist.

 

He also moved around trying to get his junk touched by the girls, which makes him a scumbag, which will end up costing him millions and destroy whatever reputation he has left. But he's rich, famous and a football player, they don't live by the same laws as the rest of us.

 

 

Edited May 18, 2022 by frostbitmic

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, frostbitmic said:

Not defending Watson here but when was he charged with rape ?

 

He asked girls for extras during a massage which I'm sure they get often in their profession. That makes him a horn dog not a rapist.

 

He also moved around trying to get his junk touched by the girls, which makes him a scumbag, which will end up costing him millions and destroy whatever reputation he has left. But he's rich, famous and a football player, they don't live by the same laws as the rest of us.

 

 

He wasn’t actually “charged” with anything but he was accused of rape, as it is defined in Texas. 

Edited May 18, 2022 by YoloinOhio

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

ruh roh.....

[eball]

On 5/16/2022 at 8:53 AM, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea its $10m cap hit but only $1m base salary. Its by far the smallest hit on the deal. Done that way almost certainly for suspension reasons. 

 

Yet another reason why it’s so unseemly.  The sheer arrogance of structuring a deal in anticipation of a suspension for abusing women…it’s repulsive.

 

[Richard Noggin]

On 5/17/2022 at 10:40 AM, BillsShredder83 said:

Bauer is bigger to baseball than Watson is to nfl too, I think

 

I don't think a single player in any other sport is more pivotal than an elite NFL QB. 

 

Trevor Bauer, in particular, was a decent top of the rotation SP when healthy, but had a somewhat uneven career prior to his current disruptions. So I disagree with your claim on several levels.

 

He did a youtube video a few years back that taught me how to throw a knuckle curve, for what it's worth. 

[BillsShredder83]

21 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

I don't think a single player in any other sport is more pivotal than an elite NFL QB. 

 

Trevor Bauer, in particular, was a decent top of the rotation SP when healthy, but had a somewhat uneven career prior to his current disruptions. So I disagree with your claim on several levels.

 

He did a youtube video a few years back that taught me how to throw a knuckle curve, for what it's worth. 

Def wont argue against this. I like watching WS, and a few random games a year. Basically if a pitcher is a name i know, i assume theyre pretty huge. Especially in a market like LA, but shows ya what I know lol hows your kn-urve ball now 😆

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Def wont argue against this. I like watching WS, and a few random games a year. Basically if a pitcher is a name i know, i assume theyre pretty huge. Especially in a market like LA, but shows ya what I know lol hows your kn-urve ball now 😆

 

I will likely NEVER get to test it out, unfortunately. It exists almost exclusively in my imagination, although I practice the motion and release on almost any handsize spherical object I encounter.

[TBBills]

If the NFL only gives him 1 year suspension it will not go over well. Not only would the massage rapist be laughing at them but Cleveland would also b.c they set his contract up thinking it will only be 1 year. 

 

He better get 2 years... HC Payton got a year for the stupid bounty gate. This should be 2 minimum. 

Edited May 19, 2022 by TBBills

[GunnerBill]

48 minutes ago, TBBills said:

If the NFL only gives him 1 year suspension it will not go over well. Not only would the massage rapist be laughing at them but Cleveland would also b.c they set his contract up thinking it will only be 1 year. 

 

He better get 2 years... HC Payton got a year for the stupid bounty gate. This should be 2 minimum. 

 

There is a conceptual distinction between the Payton example - an on field offence, and the Watson example which is a breach of the personal conduct policy. It is pretty unprecedented so I'm not sure looking back at prior cases is much use. What is clear is the Commissioner has a very broad range of discretion with regards to punishment for personal conduct offences and he retains that even in this revised structure with a named disciplinary officer. Only if the disciplinary officer recommends no punishment (which isn't going to happen in this case) are the Commissioner's hands tied. There is still no appeal route beyond the Commissioner, so any further legal challenge could only arise where the question becomes whether the commissioner has acted ultra-vires. I think a long ban is very much on the table. I'm not sure he will get 2 years personally, but I think an entire season with absolutely no contact with the team, the facility or his teammates is very much in play. 

Edited May 19, 2022 by GunnerBill

[cle23]

On 5/16/2022 at 2:53 PM, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea its $10m cap hit but only $1m base salary. Its by far the smallest hit on the deal. Done that way almost certainly for suspension reasons. 

 

They've actually done that with all of the big contracts (Garrett, Chubb, Ward) recently,  not just Watson. 

8 hours ago, eball said:

 

Yet another reason why it’s so unseemly.  The sheer arrogance of structuring a deal in anticipation of a suspension for abusing women…it’s repulsive.

 

 

To be fair,  they've done the exact same with Ward, Chubb, Garrett,  etc. as well.

Edited May 19, 2022 by cle23

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, cle23 said:

 

They've actually done that with all of the big contest (Garrett, Chubb, Ward) recently,  not just Watson. 

 

Yea when you are taking people off a rookie deal onto their 2nd contract it is generally the way to go so you still get the benefit of the 4th (or 5th) "cheap" year that the rookie deal gives you before the numbers rocket. The Watson situation is a little different, but it is a fair point that generally Cleveland does backload contracts in any event. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

[T master]

In reality how can they pass judgement when there is only accusations isn't the way it works here is Innocent until proven guilty only then for a judgement to be passed ? This is still America last i looked .

 

I know the NFL marches to it's own drum and if they have done a complete investigation & have enough proof as to what happened then they can more than likely do what they feel the right thing but it seems as a little unusual that 22 + people have the same story for it to be all of them lying about the same thing .

I think Watson should have at least 1 year suspension with no pay if in fact the allegations show to be true !

 

It sounds from what little i have read on it that he would try subtle things to invoke actions that were on the cusp of not being right to where he could go "Oh excuse me i'm sorry" and feel he was okay after he would touch a masseuse with his private part which is BS on his part .

 

My thing is why would the Browns give him all the cash if there is no verdict yet that's jumping the gun a bit but that's the Browns . I hope they make a example of him !

[What a Tuel]

3 hours ago, T master said:

In reality how can they pass judgement when there is only accusations isn't the way it works here is Innocent until proven guilty only then for a judgement to be passed ? This is still America last i looked .

 

I know the NFL marches to it's own drum and if they have done a complete investigation & have enough proof as to what happened then they can more than likely do what they feel the right thing but it seems as a little unusual that 22 + people have the same story for it to be all of them lying about the same thing .

I think Watson should have at least 1 year suspension with no pay if in fact the allegations show to be true !

 

It sounds from what little i have read on it that he would try subtle things to invoke actions that were on the cusp of not being right to where he could go "Oh excuse me i'm sorry" and feel he was okay after he would touch a masseuse with his private part which is BS on his part .

 

My thing is why would the Browns give him all the cash if there is no verdict yet that's jumping the gun a bit but that's the Browns . I hope they make a example of him !

 

Not speaking on the Watson case at all as I dont follow it too closely but not sure where you have been but social media has turned America into a country in which the court of public opinion can assign punitive damages to you based on their gut feeling on a situation. They are allowed to harass you, your employer, your family, all based on their personal view of your wrong doing and whatever facts/opinions/views they find might align with their perspective.

 

This is apart from the actual justice system that assigns punitive damages based on a trial by judge/jury of your peers.

 

There actually needs to be something that protects people while the justice system works because people are impatient and want immediate retribution. I am not at all saying Watson isnt getting a fair shake especially with that crazy cleveland deal but there are many people that aren't given the chance to defend themselves because the social media mob has already passed down their decision and see fit to destroy your life in retribution.

Edited May 19, 2022 by What a Tuel

[mikemac2001]

They should just put him in the commissioners exempt list for the year while they get the facts then suspend him the next year to totally f the browns and his payday