RD 1, Pick 23: CB Kaiir Elam, Florida

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

It’s pretty obvious Devin Lloyd should be a Buffalo bill now. Elam was a reach at 23 and a waste of an asset to trade up for him 

 

I don't see how that's obvious at all. Why would the Bills draft a LB to sit all year when there's a big, gaping hole at CB. You don't have to agree with the Bills but it's clear they like Edmunds.

 

You were also talking this whole time about how the Bills are doing Allen dirty, so I don't see how drafting a LB supports what you were saying previously.

[Zerovoltz]

I haven’t read through all these posts, but I’d just add - 

 

we won’t ever know if Beane liked McDuffie better than Elam or not, but we do know the Chiefs did.  Will be a fun item to monitor  in the coming seasons.

 

I am inclined to think the Bills were a team KC thought they had to get in front of for McDuffie.  I think KC had a good idea that NE at 21 would be a spot they could get to if it came down to it because they are a team that is typically inclined  to trade back and that they also would be a trade partner who would not want to make a deal with a division rival. 
 

 

[Bangarang]

We desperately needed help at CB and I’m not going to question McD’s (and Frazier’s) ability to coach them up. Especially a guy with elite traits like Elam.

[Doc Brown]

19 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

You also thought Dwayne Haskins(RIP) was going to be better than Josh Allen.

 

Elam is a nice prospect but that take certainly warrants an "IMO" attached.

One of my pet peeves is someone using "IMO".  Of course it's your opinion.  You're the one who typed it.  That's the only time I'll ever type that again and the acronym should be banned IMHO.

Edited April 29, 2022 by Doc Brown

[The Dean]

6 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Or you could say he gave away a fourth round pick for a player that is no more likely to be star as the next 5 CBs to be drafted. 

 

At the end of the day, he filled a huge need.  

 

I could say that about any trade/different pick in ANY draft. This isn't about who we think is "more likely" to be a star. It's about what the Bills FO thinks. And if they think Elam is worth giving up a 4th for, then who am I to argue?  Then I become a second guesser now and/or Captain Hindsight.

 

From what I hear the Bills loved him and he was really their only Rd 1 graded player left. If they think that highly of him I'm sold.

[jkeerie]

Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:

What the Cowboys took the Tulsa offensive tackle when if they wanted corner could have taken Dax Hill whose every bit as good as Elam 

Or...the only CB they wanted in the first round was Elam.    Dax Hill is a safety that could play slot corner...but is not the same as a starting outside CB.  Perhaps they took the tackle because the CB they wanted was off the board.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Beane is using the Aaron Rogers Green Bay model with Josh not so sure it’s the best idea. If they don’t win a Super Bowl in the next 3 years it wasn’t but if they do it was. 

I am confused by this

 

Beane did the exact OPPOSITE of the Aaron Rogers Green Bay model.

 

Green Bay traded away Rogers number one option

Buffalo signed Josh Allen's number one option to a huge extension

 

They also have Davis and Crowder (the jets pretty much only offensive weapon last year) at the WR positions.....this is the Buffalo big 3.  I am not even counting McKenzie because he is more of a gadget player.

[78thealltimegreat]

Just now, Bruffalo said:

 

I don't see how that's obvious at all. Why would the Bills draft a LB to sit all year when there's a big, gaping hole at CB. You don't have to agree with the Bills but it's clear they like Edmunds.

 

You were also talking this whole time about how the Bills are doing Allen dirty, so I don't see how drafting a LB supports what you were saying previously.

What was the problem with the Bills offense last year? 

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, Kingston Bills Fan said:

For people saying they don’t mind trading a 4th…..what? Why just give away any pick? You could have used that 4th to move up in the second round, there was no way that Dallas was going corner. Bean just got nervous and ***** up. I like Elam but that just made zero sense

 

You realize that Green Bay let Adams go, KC let Hill go, TENN let AJ Brown go, Seattle let Wilson go etc etc, yet some on this board are apoplectic about Buffalo giving up a 4th 🤣🤣🤣

 

BUF wanted a 6'1" 200 CB with 4.39 speed. He has given up a paltry 45.5% completion %, and a 55 QB rating against.

Both are top 4 stats for all CBs in all of FBS football since 2019.

 

If McDermott and Frazier can make Dane Jackson and Levi Wallace legitimate DBs, what is he going to do with a guy like this?

 

CB was clearly the position of need. Don't be surprised to see another CB and even a S. The secondary has largely been neglected in the draft since White.

 

[purple haze]

1 hour ago, MasterStrategist said:

We had a HUGE need for speed, both at CB and playmakers.  2nd rounder will be a speed guy on offense.

Yep.  And for those who are more worried about picks than players, tomorrow will likely bring more heartburn.  I see a trade up coming in round 2.  Hall or Moore is my guess.

[78thealltimegreat]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I am confused by this

 

Beane did the exact OPPOSITE of the Aaron Rogers Green Bay model.

 

Green Bay traded away Rogers number one option

Buffalo signed Josh Allen's number one option to a huge extension

 

They also have Davis and Crowder (the jets pretty much only offensive weapon last year) at the WR positions.....this is the Buffalo big 3.  I am not even counting McKenzie because he is more of a gadget player.

I’m not 

[The Dean]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

One of my pet peeves is someone using "IMO".  Of course it's my opinion.  I'm the one who typed it.  That's the only time I'll ever type that again and the acronym should be banned IMHO.

 

 

Humility is best expressed, and not assumed. IMO, of course.

 

And you really don't need to keep your peeves as pets.

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

What was the problem with the Bills offense last year? 

I don't really think there was a clear problem. They were very good, one of the best in the league.  I don't know why you're asking me that though.  If you think there was a problem, by all means enlighten me.

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

I was being a smartass, but I would guess that a 4th rounder at that camp may well be fighting for a practice squad spot this year.

 

 

Last year, maybe.  

 

This year........more reserve roles up for grabs.

 

Need backups with some actual replacement potential for pending UFA's Edmunds, Knox, Poyer, Singletary and Saffold.

 

Absolutely need an upgrade from Jake Kumerow at WR3(outside) and Stevenson should have more competition.  

 

Ques would seem like the only roster lock reserve OL........and they will carry 4 of them.........Tommy Doyle could stand to have some competition.   

 

And of course, a punter.

 

More spots than picks.........and cap space is only going to get tighter so the more young players they can plug in the this season the better off they will be the following 2.  

 

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

You realize that Green Bay let Adams go, KC let Hill go, TENN let AJ Brown go, Seattle let Wilson go etc etc, yet some on this board are apoplectic about Buffalo giving up a 4th 🤣🤣🤣

 

BUF wanted a 6'1" 200 CB with 4.39 speed. He has given up a paltry 45.5% completion %, and a 55 QB rating against.

Both are top 4 stats for all CBs in all of FBS football since 2019.

 

If McDermott and Frazier can make Dane Jackson and Levi Wallace legitimate DBs, what is he going to do with a guy like this?

 

CB was clearly the position of need. Don't be surprised to see another CB and even a S. The secondary has largely been neglected in the draft since White.

 

I'm not too worried about it but the only two 4th picks Beane has made was Taron Johnson and Gabe Davis to make everyone feel better.  

[The Dean]

5 minutes ago, Simon said:

I predict the biggest issue he is going to have in his first season is that he's going to draw a lot of flags. 

 

Agreed. 

[HappyDays]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Breece Hall!!

 

If you don't have a better answer don't complain.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

I’m not 

ok.......

[Doc]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I am confused by this

 

Beane did the exact OPPOSITE of the Aaron Rogers Green Bay model.

 

Green Bay traded away Rogers number one option

Buffalo signed Josh Allen's number one option to a huge extension

 

They also have Davis and Crowder (the jets pretty much only offensive weapon last year) at the WR positions.....this is the Buffalo big 3.  I am not even counting McKenzie because he is more of a gadget player.

 

With the top-4 WR spots set, I didn't see who a rookie at 25 (or even 23) was going to replace.  And the draft is deeper at WR than CB. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, The Dean said:

 

Agreed. 

Definately a possibility

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Even Beane couldn’t fool anyone into thinking Corner was not a need for us. 
 

I am going on record as really loving this  pick.. Truthfully, I don’t want to be called out on His Draft Angry Tweets Four Years from now. 

 

Sounds like he is most comfortable in a Zone D, I am not too  concerned about the tackling issue with this staff. 
 

Now can we find a gem in round 2? 

[78thealltimegreat]

1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:

I don't really think there was a clear problem. They were very good, one of the best in the league.  I don't know why you're asking me that though.  If you think there was a problem, by all means enlighten me.

They are the most quarterback centric team Greg Cosell has ever seen as in if Josh Allen isn’t Superman they don’t win games 

[NewEra]

9 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

He may need to improve the muscle memory on his technique, but there is no little ***** in this kid.

He tackles like a little kid. Soft.  Coaches will coach him up.  Hopefully he has the mentality that allows him to adapt and adjust 

[BillsFanForever19]

"Beane doesn't value CB2 and won't spend a 1st"

 

"The plan is still to sign a veteran CB, we may not even draft one at all"

 

😆😆😆😆😆

Edited April 29, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[K-9]

1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

What the Cowboys took the Tulsa offensive tackle when if they wanted corner could have taken Dax Hill whose every bit as good as Elam 

Enough about Dallas already. You act as if Dallas was the only concern because they were IN FRONT of the Bills and that there weren’t teams BEHIND the Bills on the phone with the Ravens inquiring about pick 23. I’d bet any amount of money that there were and that Beane had been in touch with the Ravens and other teams picking in the low twenties for days leading up to the draft. I’d also bet money that KC moving up to get a CB had the Ravens’ phone ringing off the hook immediately afterward tonight. 

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

You realize that Green Bay let Adams go, KC let Hill go, TENN let AJ Brown go, Seattle let Wilson go etc etc, yet some on this board are apoplectic about Buffalo giving up a 4th 🤣🤣🤣

 

BUF wanted a 6'1" 200 CB with 4.39 speed. He has given up a paltry 45.5% completion %, and a 55 QB rating against.

Both are top 4 stats for all CBs in all of FBS football since 2019.

 

If McDermott and Frazier can make Dane Jackson and Levi Wallace legitimate DBs, what is he going to do with a guy like this?

 

CB was clearly the position of need. Don't be surprised to see another CB and even a S. The secondary has largely been neglected in the draft since White.

 

The Titans replaced Brown with a younger, likely better version of Brown with identical size that won’t cost 100 million bucks.

 

That was the pick/trade of the night!

 

Looks like numerous teams went in with a similar strategy.

[Simon]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

He tackles like a little kid. Soft.  Coaches will coach him up.  Hopefully he has the mentality that allows him to adapt and adjust 

 

I've yet to see a single piece of film of him playing soft.

[NewEra]

Just now, Simon said:

 

I've yet to see a single piece of film of him playing soft.

Are you watching highlights?  If not, which game?

Edited April 29, 2022 by NewEra

[junior]

48 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think if you look across the league(especially after tonight) the depth at wide out is considerable better everywhere…. Just about every team has two solid starting receivers…. And the better ones have at least 3…. It’s pushed the Bills down the league at the position IMO.
 

Teams are absolutely loading up at the position and for good reason…. Would love to see the Bills take this approach. Let’s see tomorrow. 

 

Then we better have some good CBs to slow them down, right?

 

I'm sure WR will be a position we go after in the coming days. 

[The Dean]

Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

"Beane doesn't value CB2 and won't send a 1st"

 

"The plan is still to sign a veteran CB, we may not even draft one"

 

😆

 

 

Honestly I won't be at all surprised if they sign a vet CB and/or double down in the draft for a DB (versatile safety perhaps).

[ganesh]

6 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

You realize that Green Bay let Adams go, KC let Hill go, TENN let AJ Brown go, Seattle let Wilson go etc etc, yet some on this board are apoplectic about Buffalo giving up a 4th 🤣🤣🤣

 

BUF wanted a 6'1" 200 CB with 4.39 speed. He has given up a paltry 45.5% completion %, and a 55 QB rating against.

Both are top 4 stats for all CBs in all of FBS football since 2019.

 

If McDermott and Frazier can make Dane Jackson and Levi Wallace legitimate DBs, what is he going to do with a guy like this?

 

CB was clearly the position of need. Don't be surprised to see another CB and even a S. The secondary has largely been neglected in the draft since White.

 

Agree 100%.  I wouldn't be surprised if they find a replacement for Poyer or Hyde in the 3rd or 5th round.

 

[Norcalbillsfan]

4 minutes ago, jkeerie said:

Or...the only CB they wanted in the first round was Elam.    Dax Hill is a safety that could play slot corner...but is not the same as a starting outside CB.  Perhaps they took the tackle because the CB they wanted was off the board.

It did seem like Jerry Jones was quiet and didn't look happy when the bills pick came in, especially he's usually all smiles and high fives. But we will probably never know what conversations went down. All I know is ill sleep well knowing cb2 is addressed.

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Governor said:

The Titans replaced Brown with a younger, likely better version of Brown with identical size that won’t cost 100 million bucks.

 

That was the pick/trade of the night!

 

Looks like numerous teams went in with a similar strategy.

 

Likely?  Yeah, that's a "needs to be proven first."

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Simon said:

 

I've yet to see a single piece of film of him playing soft.

I actually dont see soft.....I see someone that will fight you for it....perhaps a little too much but would much rather have a dog like him

 

His tackling techique is what bothers me a little....but that is coachable

1 minute ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Honestly I won't be at all surprised if they sign a vet CB and/or double down in the draft for a DB (versatile safety perhaps).

I am expecting it....and I dont think that should be some kind of knock on Elam

[Bruffalo]

Just now, 78thealltimegreat said:

They are the most quarterback centric team Greg Cosell has ever seen as in if Josh Allen isn’t Superman they don’t win games 

Okay. So I'm going to ask you again, who was available at 23 or 25 that would contribute to alleviate that?  Last time I asked you, you gave me a linebacker, which wouldn't do anything to answer the problem that you're putting out there.

 

You seem upset with the Elam pick, mainly because you think the offense needs shoring up, right?  Well I'm saying that there's nobody left in that first round that makes sense to take for our offense.  So you're left with trading down, or filling that clear need at CB with a guy with incredible tools, something that Beane loves. 

 

I'm just trying to understand why you're upset. It just seems irrational.

[The Dean]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

I actually dont see soft.....I see someone that will fight you for it....perhaps a little too much but would much rather have a dog like him

 

His tackling techique is what bothers me a little....but that is coachable

 

 

I see no softness. Some bad technique though

[BillsFanForever19]

2 minutes ago, The Dean said:

 

 

Honestly I won't be at all surprised if they sign a vet CB and/or double down in the draft for a DB (versatile safety perhaps).

 

Wouldn't surprise me either. My stance is that none of these guys left over are someone you count on as anything more than spot duty at this point. I was referring to fans who were saying we just sign Joe Haden or Xavier Rhodes and we were good to go without having to Draft anyone.

Edited April 29, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[BillsShredder83]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

Let me ask Could Baltimore or Dallas also trade out to a team say like NE that also has CB needs?  Simple yes or No. 

especially when everyone and their mother knew we were very likely going CB

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Likely?  Yeah, that's a "needs to be proven first."

Literally the knocks on the kid were route running and speed

 

Those are not things you really want to have as a negative when you come into the leage......I dont think they drafted the next AJ Brown

[JerseyBills]

1 hour ago, Ross Murdock said:

Then go to bed. Who cares. Great upside player. All the tools. Fabulous pick.  

He was likely their BPA and also a position of need!