Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: Huh? Milano WAS restructured this offseason and it saved us about §5.2M in cap space. Complete brain fart on my part. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, BillsCuse said: Nothing like hearing non-stop nonsense rumors for the next month! They usually aren’t nonsense at all. We telegraph what we’re trying to do and there’s been leaks each year. People just pretend there isn’t. Edited March 31, 2022 by Governor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I’m sure every possibility short of trading JA is bounced around with other teams…. Probably looking for some naive GM on another team who overvalues a current Bills player … Doesnt mean it’s going to happen though… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: I don't want to trade Diggs at all but I think these are realities we have to start considering. 2 weeks ago I couldn't see a scenario where Diggs doesn't retire here.... thanks to MIA JAX LVR, there's a chance we might not be able to re-sign him. If Diggs wants top 3 money... what do we do? Ugly thought to consider Beane is a WIZARD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 41 minutes ago, Draconator said: The only that that would make any sense with this report... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Beane and McDermott discussing their draft plans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, mannc said: Trading up for a QB in round 1? *****. You win. Trading up for a safety is the SECOND least likely thing they could do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Logic said: Yeah I’ve heard the Giants want to turn one of their 1sts into a 2023 1st. I wonder if the Bills would trade #25 and next year’s first for Sauce Gardner or Derek Stingley. They certainly seem to be in an aggressive “win now” mindset, and while it would suck to give up next year’s 1st, corner IS a high value position, and a White/Stingley or White/Gardner pairing could take this defense to the next level. The presence of close Beane buddy Joe Schoen in the top ten — twice, no less — and wanting to trade down is certainly interesting… I love draft picks and I hate giving them up. But more I think about this the more it makes sense. Just as you said. Giants want to trade down. There is a connection between GMs. Beane has clearly decided to go more "all-in" than last year (already evidenced by Von Miller signing). If, from any reason Beane believes that some player available at 7 gets us over the top (Gardner?), I can see him pullting the trigger. And I probably wouldn't be fully against it. Problem I see is that even our 1st rounder next year isn't probably enough - Giants know that most likely it will again be 25th pick at best, probably much worse. Therefore, adding an established vet who might have some value to Giants makes sense. I have no idea who that might be. I seriously doubt we are trading away Edmunds if we don't have his replacement. It also requires additional $2.3M or so cap space this year (for higher drafted rookie), which means even more mortgaging of the future. However, if they think this way, deal can happen on draft night only. They are not moving up like this without being certain that their guy is there. Edited March 31, 2022 by No_Matter_What 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) No starters. If a team wants a Zack Moss, AJ Epenesa, or a Cody Ford to sweeten the pot, sure, go nuts. But I don't like the idea of creating extra holes and unnecessarily messing with the continuity of our starting units as part of a trade up for guys who aren't sure things. Edited March 31, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I wonder how much love Daboll had for Motor? What do the Giants depth at RB look like? If Motor nets a 3rd, would Beane use that and the Bills 2nd to move up in the 2nd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo619 said: Please trade Edmunds!! For the life of me I don’t understand these posts. There are logical reasons to trade him because it’s his final year but I’ve never seen a fan base want to trade a young captain on a successful team so badly. He’s a great teammate and always professional. He’s not in the news asking for money. I will never understand. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, Logic said: Yeah I’ve heard the Giants want to turn one of their 1sts into a 2023 1st. I wonder if the Bills would trade #25 and next year’s first for Sauce Gardner or Derek Stingley. They certainly seem to be in an aggressive “win now” mindset, and while it would suck to give up next year’s 1st, corner IS a high value position, and a White/Stingley or White/Gardner pairing could take this defense to the next level. The presence of close Beane buddy Joe Schoen in the top ten — twice, no less — and wanting to trade down is certainly interesting… I don't like giving up 1sts either but I agree, getting a lockdown corner to go opposite Tre suddenly fills the only real hole on this defense. Then grab a WR in the second and a OG in the 3rd, then a speedy RB. Wow, that would be hard for me to fault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 On a related note, I think people who are adamant that trading Edmunds is completely out of question and are 100% sure that he is in Bills longterm plans could be possibly in for a big surprise. I think Milano restructure this offseason (the only one known right now along with Hyde) is very telling. Milano is definitely in longterm plans, and we are paying second LBs big money only in case that he really deserves it (and I am not sure of that even in such case, given that we still need to pay Diggs, Oliver, Knox, etc.). I really think Edmunds is on trading block. Only problem I see is that trading him creates a hole. It can be filled by 2nd round LB, but we still need OG and WR drafted fairly high. This will be fun to watch. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I love draft picks and I hate giving them up. But more I think about this the more it makes sense. Just as you said. Giants want to trade down. There is a connection between GMs. Beane has clearly decided to go more "all-in" than last year (already evidenced by Von Miller signing). If, from any reason Beane believes that some player available at 7 gets us over the top (Gardner?), I can see him pullting the trigger. And I probably wouldn't be fully against it. Problem I see is that even our 1st rounder next year isn't probably enough - Giants know that most likely it will again be 25th pick at best, probably much worse. Therefore, adding an established vet who might have some value to Giants makes sense. I have no idea who that might be. I seriously doubt we are trading away Edmunds if we don't have his replacement. It also requires additional $2.3M or so cap space this year (for higher drafted rookie), which means even more mortgaging of the future. However, if they think this way, deal can happen on draft night only. They are not moving up like this without being certain that their guy is there. Someone earlier in this thread looked up the trade value chart and saw that our 1st this year, 1st next year, 3rd this year gets us almost to the Giants' pick, but falls a bit short. More likely it would have to be our 1st AND 2nd this year and our 1st next year, and we could maybe get a late round throw-in pick back, too. That's a lot of cheddar. It's hard to believe Brandon "I love my draft picks" Beane would give up that much. Then again, corner really is a premium position, five years of cheap labor there would be huge, and it's hard to argue that a Tre White/Sauce Gardner pairing wouldn't potentially push this defense into a new stratosphere. We also can't overlook the sudden increase in offensive potency of the AFC as a whole, or the fact that giving up 35+ to the Chiefs in back to back playoffs kept us out of the Super Bowl. I'll tell ya what: If a truly top tier pass defense can get us past the Chiefs and the rest of the potent AFC playoff field and help us win a title, I won't give a second thought to the draft capital it took to help make it happen. I doubt Rams fans are crying about all the draft picks THEY'VE given up in recent years as they order their "Super Bowl Champions" gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I love draft picks and I hate giving them up. But more I think about this the more it makes sense. Just as you said. Giants want to trade down. There is a connection between GMs. Beane has clearly decided to go more "all-in" than last year (already evidenced by Von Miller signing). If, from any reason Beane believes that some player available at 7 gets us over the top (Gardner?), I can see him pullting the trigger. And I probably wouldn't be fully against it. Problem I see is that even our 1st rounder next year isn't probably enough - Giants know that most likely it will again be 25th pick at best, probably much worse. Therefore, adding an established vet who might have some value to Giants makes sense. I have no idea who that might be. I seriously doubt we are trading away Edmunds if we don't have his replacement. It also requires additional $2.3M or so cap space this year (for higher drafted rookie), which means even more mortgaging of the future. However, if they think this way, deal can happen on draft night only. They are not moving up like this without being certain that their guy is there. Considering the Giants have oline issues, Dawkins might appeal to them. Dabol could also want Knox, but either way the Giants will know how we value our vets and would have an advantage in putting a package together. But, as I've looked at these drafts it seems like a move up via the Eagles to 19 would get us above the steelers and pats or even up to 16 to get us above the chargers. Don't have an idea of how a trade would look with them though. Edited March 31, 2022 by 4BillsintheBurgh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 Ahmad "Sauce" Gardner would look REALLY good in a Bills uni. Just sayin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: On a related note, I think people who are adamant that trading Edmunds is completely out of question and are 100% sure that he is in Bills longterm plans could be possibly in for a big surprise. I think Milano restructure this offseason (the only one known right now along with Hyde) is very telling. Milano is definitely in longterm plans, and we are paying second LBs big money only in case that he really deserves it (and I am not sure of that even in such case, given that we still need to pay Diggs, Oliver, Knox, etc.). I really think Edmunds is on trading block. Only problem I see is that trading him creates a hole. It can be filled by 2nd round LB, but we still need OG and WR drafted fairly high. This will be fun to watch. I think they tried to move him last season but had no takers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Beane just doesnt let this kind of info out Not true. Its entirely possible that Beane's friend showed Zig Beane's texts !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 Maybe we all have it wrong. Maybe Beane plans to sign a veteran CB, really likes Dane Jackson, and only wants to move ahead of the Pats to 19 or so to ensure that he gets a prime WR. Certainly a move up from 25 to 19 is more doable and less expensive in terms of draft capital than a move all the way to 7 would be. Maybe Jameson Williams gives Beane a half chub? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, Logic said: Someone earlier in this thread looked up the trade value chart and saw that our 1st this year, 1st next year, 3rd this year gets us almost to the Giants' pick, but falls a bit short. More likely it would have to be our 1st AND 2nd this year and our 1st next year, and we could maybe get a late round throw-in pick back, too. This imo really depends and is not set in stone. I use drafttek https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=buf. Our pick has value of 720, lets say Bills next year is in average 27 which is 680. Together it is 1400, while pick 7 is 1500. So maybe we need to throw in this year's 3 or really a player. People often say that next years draft picks have smaller value. I am not sure why, but if that is really the case then in theory it should be more expensive for us. But if Giants want that extra 1st round next year badly and have no other offers, then who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 As much as I don’t like Edmunds and his terrible awareness, we kind of need him this year. I can’t see him being traded and then replaced with a LB in this year’s draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: This imo really depends and is not set in stone. I use drafttek https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=buf. Our pick has value of 720, lets say Bills next year is in average 27 which is 680. Together it is 1400, while pick 7 is 1500. So maybe we need to throw in this year's 3 or really a player. People often say that next years draft picks have smaller value. I am not sure why, but if that is really the case then in theory it should be more expensive for us. But if Giants want that extra 1st round next year badly and have no other offers, then who knows. Fair enough. Teams also don't ALWAYS get the draft trade value chart value on trades like this. If I'm not mistaken, the Bills didn't get full trade chart value on the trade-down in 2017, when they took Tre White. If Schoen likes the deal, I doubt 100 points on a value chart is gonna stop him. OR...I could be totally wrong, and he sticks to the chart like glue, and the Bills have to throw in another pick. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 2 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: Matt Barkley should take us all the way up to the 1st overall pick. Need to trade J.A. for 100 draft picks...and then draft Malik Willis, the “next Josh Allen”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Logic said: Maybe we all have it wrong. Maybe Beane plans to sign a veteran CB, really likes Dane Jackson, and only wants to move ahead of the Pats to 19 or so to ensure that he gets a prime WR. Certainly a move up from 25 to 19 is more doable and less expensive in terms of draft capital than a move all the way to 7 would be. Maybe Jameson Williams gives Beane a half chub? Dane Jackson only allowed 50% completions last year, I want to say opposing QBs were 22-44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 32 minutes ago, Greg S said: Beane and McDermott discussing their draft plans. What…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Dane Jackson only allowed 50% completions last year, I want to say opposing QBs were 22-44 When asked about corners recently, McDermott basically said "first, let me mention that Tre White is doing great in rehab. Second, we have great faith in Dane Jackson and Cam Lewis." Now, obviously a coach is going to say he has faith in his guys, and we know McDermott's answers are pretty vanilla in general, but...It doesn't seem inconceivable to me that they really DO like Dane Jackson and Cam Lewis, that Tre White will be ready by October, and that they plan to sign a veteran CB. We already know they were in on Patrick Peterson. A cornerback depth chart of: Dane Jackson Joe Haden or Steven Nelson Taron Johnson Mid round draftee (Cam Taylor-Britt or Josh Williams type) Cam Lewis ...until Tre White comes back...would not shock me. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: What…, Get Smart. The cone of silence. It was a TV comedy show back in the 60's. Whenever they wanted to have a private conversation they used the cone of silence . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: This imo really depends and is not set in stone. I use drafttek https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp?RequestTeam=buf. Our pick has value of 720, lets say Bills next year is in average 27 which is 680. Together it is 1400, while pick 7 is 1500. So maybe we need to throw in this year's 3 or really a player. People often say that next years draft picks have smaller value. I am not sure why, but if that is really the case then in theory it should be more expensive for us. But if Giants want that extra 1st round next year badly and have no other offers, then who knows. This is not true. NFL teams dont value future 1st rounders as 1st rounders. They always take future picks and lower it a round since they have to wait. So the Giants are 1,500 for the 7th overall pick The Bills in your scenario are really trading a 2022 1st, a 2022 2nd(in your scenario a 2023 1st), and a 2022 3rd rounder 720+330+145=1195= That would leave the Bills roughly 300 short. We would have to throw in another likely high pick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I think this rumor is nothing but smoke. This draft is weak by most experts. There are no benifide super star stud coming out of this draft. Sure there could be a few that turn into something special. Which ones is anyone's guess. This draft class doesn't fit the bill for the Bills to move up. The WR class is pretty deep so moving up for one seems to be premature. I'm sure the Bills can get a WR without moving up that may be even better than the previous drafted wide out. Look at Sammy Watson for an example. In short, I just don't see the Bills moving up in the first round. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 31, 2022 Author Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, newcam2012 said: I think this rumor is nothing but smoke. This draft is weak by most experts. There are no benifide super star stud coming out of this draft. Sure there could be a few that turn into something special. Which ones is anyone's guess. This draft class doesn't fit the bill for the Bills to move up. The WR class is pretty deep so moving up for one seems to be premature. I'm sure the Bills can get a WR without moving up that may be even better than the previous drafted wide out. Look at Sammy Watson for an example. In short, I just don't see the Bills moving up in the first round. The first round of the draft is said to be weak OVERALL by most experts' reckoning, this is true. The 1st round draft pool is shallow, meaning that after the first 10-12 picks, anyone you pick probably has a "true" 2nd round value. All the more reason for a team like the Bills, sitting at 25, to say "I'd rather get a true 1st rounder with my 1st round pick by trading up than staying at 25 and getting a guy that would be a 2nd rounder most years". It also doesn't mean that there aren't some superstar level talents coming out. Sauce Gardner and Derek Stingley both profile as Pro Bowl caliber cornerbacks. The rumor may very well be just smoke, as you say. But if anything, the draft having a big dropoff in talent after the first half of the first round is MORE reason to trade up, not less. Edited March 31, 2022 by Logic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, Greg S said: Get Smart. The cone of silence. It was a TV comedy show back in the 60's. Whenever they wanted to have a private conversation they used the cone of silence . Missed it by THAT much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 I really hope that the Bills do NOT trade their first round pick in 2023. This draft sucks. It is the worst that I have seen in many years. I cannot imagine the 2023 draft not being better than this one. Trading away picks from 2023 would be a move that would be reminiscent to the Whaley type of lack of discipline and sheer incompetence. I'm hoping that we are finally above this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Perk71 said: Haven't seen that pic in a minute 😂😆 Somebody always has to go and dox Gugny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Edmunds tackle depth is actually good. You are correct on that. Gotta give props when due Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 3 hours ago, LeGOATski said: I anticipate a move up. Doesn't mean it'll be in the first round. 2nd Round makes more sense to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 This would be out of character for this front office, mainly because since 2019 the front office has mainly just “let the draft come to them” there have been some trade ups but nothing major. I just don’t buy rumors coming out of this tight lipped front office. I suspect they just stay at pick 25 and see who the best corner is and take them if the value is solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Bill from NYC said: I really hope that the Bills do NOT trade their first round pick in 2023. This draft sucks. It is the worst that I have seen in many years. I cannot imagine the 2023 draft not being better than this one. Trading away picks from 2023 would be a move that would be reminiscent to the Whaley type of lack of discipline and sheer incompetence. I'm hoping that we are finally above this. I am certainly no judge, but I’ve heard multiple people say there are only 6-8 true first round talents in this draft, about half of what is more typical. IDK, maybe they are all parroting each other, but getting into the top 8 is crazy expensive. Having said that, maybe there is a guy or two they love, but they expect them to go off the board a half dozen picks ahead of them. We all know Beane likes to hop around, so nothing would shock me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 58 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said: Please trade Edmunds!! Troy Anderson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Greg S said: Get Smart. The cone of silence. It was a TV comedy show back in the 60's. Whenever they wanted to have a private conversation they used the cone of silence . I was goofing on the picture Edited March 31, 2022 by Don Otreply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 31, 2022 Share Posted March 31, 2022 4 hours ago, glazeduck said: Moss was the name that came to mind for me. We can move from 240 to 239 with his value 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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