Off Topic guess Lamar’s new contract

[John from Riverside]

What ever it will be it will be too much

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I like Jackson more than most on this board. But if I was the Ravens I would do what Dallas did. I would let him play on his 5th year guarantee and then tag him.  That is two more years to determine if he is a long term fit. History would say guys that run this much just don't last.  He is not built like Allen.  He is a better QB and passer than most on this board give him credit.  But I don't think he is an elite passer.  He is an elite talent but not an elite QB.  I'd pay elite money on the franchise tag for a year but I would not commit long term dollars.  I would take my chances on letting him walk and find another guy in the draft or free agency in the future.  

 

As for QB money in general, I really think the NFL needs to create a salary cap system that allows teams to pay the QB or perhaps any one designated player, as much as they want and then the other 52 count against a smaller cap amount.  The current system punishes teams too much for actually succeeding in the hardest thing in all of professional sports - find an elite QB via the draft.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

Hes a unanimous MVP Qb.  Its the easiest deal to do.  I want x more than Watson fully guaranteed.  I dont have a MBA or passed the bar.  Its not complicated for a good Qb.  

 

 

"No" - Ravens

 

Now what?

 

It definitely isnt the easiest deal to do seeing as how he isnt a typical QB, puts his body at more risk with his running, and missed time due to multiple COVID infections while refusing to be vaccinated (I get all the COVID stuff is over, but who knows what comes up next that he wont play along with and cost himself time). Plus, that MVP award he won is looking more and more like a joke considering he's never made it past the Divisional round while being on a well-built, well-managed, well-coached team.

So nah, I offer him Dak money at best. See how he negotiates with that.

[Matt_In_NH]

49 minutes ago, mushypeaches said:

The Browns really screwed the rest of the league by giving Watson that huge contract.  Every mediocre or better QB is going to basically tell their current teams to pay up or just wait to get traded and get the new desperate team to pay them.  It's a win-win for the QB's

 

As noted earlier, our contract with Josh is going to look smarter and smarter every year down the road

 

Not saying this would happen but what if Josh pulled a Watson and wanted out?  That is how this whole thing started.

[transplantbillsfan]

Sorry, but it's insane that Lamar is going to get money significantly greater than Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes.  I don't think Lamar is going to be out of the league in the next few years, but I really think that MVP season he had will be an outlier for his career.  And I don't think he lasts even 10 more years in the league as a high level starter.

 

But please Baltimore... be stupid and pay him that Watson $230 million guaranteed.  Just insane....

[H2o]

I like Lamar. He's fun to watch. He's not the best passer out of the top 10 QB's though. He relies on his athleticism quite a bit to carry his team. Most of his yards and passing stats (TD's and all) come off of him running around, then finding an open man on a busted play. Last year was just a sample of things to come. A guy who plays like that, running as much as he does, eventually breaks down from injuries. It happened to Vick too. Lamar also doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed. I know he's trying to cut out the middle man and all, but I believe he would benefit from having a Drew Rosenhaus to broker his big contract for him. It would be worth the couple mill it costs him to do so. When it's all said and done I think Lamar gets between $42M-$45M per season on 4 or 5 year deal, somewhere between $150M-$180M guaranteed. 

Edited March 30, 2022 by H2o

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 hours ago, John Adams said:

 

She'd probably be an upgrade. 

 

He represents himself. 

paraphrasing Abraham Lincoln et al, "any man who is his own agent has a fool for a client"

[Nester]

5th year option & Franchise him twice for an average cost of $33mm over next 3 years.

 

no need to do a deal now  

[Southern Bills Fan]

30 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

paraphrasing Abraham Lincoln et al, "any man who is his own agent has a fool for a client"

But Lincoln didn’t say that in a contract year. 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

3 hours ago, TBBills said:

If I am Lamar Jackson I would grab an agent.

Gotta be careful with that.  Could be in the same kind of trouble as Watson...just sayin'

[Estro]

6 year - $260M 

 

Just north of Allen's APy. Just under Pat Mahomes APY. And well under Watson's and Rodgers APYs

[RoyBatty is alive]

No new contract, they will just kick the can down the street, just tag him and  see if he gets hurt, again, and hope the "QB inflation" subsides

1 hour ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

 

Not saying this would happen but what if Josh pulled a Watson and wanted out?  That is how this whole thing started.

no, cant compare the two, not even close.

 

The Watson situation was totally different in that he had a no trade clause despite having a new then $ contract.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

It’s obvious he’s the next in line for a big payday as I think it would be very difficult to trade the best player the franchise has had since Ray Lewis.

So if Watson got 230 million guaranteed you have to think Lamar is using that as a starting point. 
 

Hes next in line. 
 

That doesn’t mean he will get what he’s asking 

 

Young Guns 

 

not young “athletes”

[DrDawkinstein]

1 hour ago, 13 Second Prevent Defense said:

 

Not saying this would happen but what if Josh pulled a Watson and wanted out?  That is how this whole thing started.

 

Wont happen.

 

Remember, the Watson fallout started when the owner reached out to Deshaun and promised he would have a voice in the new HC hiring, and then never bothered to call him.

 

The Bills have shown that Josh has a well-recognized voice within the organization. Citing Josh's request and comfort with Dorsey as being a primary factor in his promotion to OC. And even Josh being comfortable enough to tweet "No" in response to the tweet about trading Diggs to Dallas.

 

Terry and McBeane run a completely different ship than McNair and Easterby. We'll be fine.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Jackson, 25, is entering his fifth-year option, which will pay him $23.016 million this season. If the sides are unable to reach a contract extension by next offseason, Baltimore would have to place the franchise tag on Jackson to keep him from becoming a free agent.
 

He may not see a 6th in B-more 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

No new contract, they will just kick the can down the street, just tag him and  see if he gets hurt, again, and hope the "QB inflation" subsides

 

Has that ever happened?

[Mr. WEO]

This is one QB you don’t blowout your budget on unless he has another monster year—-or at least can get to 3500-4000 passing.  They won’t pay him going coward to rush for 1000 a year.  

[RoyBatty is alive]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Has that ever happened?

Dont know, you look it up but what I do know is the current rate of QB inflation is unsustainable, at this rate in a few year franchise QBs will be getting what, half of the total salary cap.  This qb infation like ANY investment/craze will hit a peak, they always pop  since the great tulip Craze in the 1600s, be it the nifty fifty,  dot.coms, oil and gas, bitcoins, etc etc etc.  Simple human nature.

[Doc]

If the demands the same as, much less more than, Watson and guaranteed, they'll franchise him.  Giving into that would be crazy.

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

If the demands the same as, much less more than, Watson and guaranteed, they'll franchise him.  Giving into that would be crazy.

I agree and already said so.  I think they will franchise tag would be cheaper yhsn s megs QB deal, they dont have to make up their minds right now and see if he gets hurt again.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Dont know, you look it up but what I do know is the current rate of QB inflation is unsustainable, at this rate in a few year franchise QBs will be getting what, half of the total salary cap.  This qb infation like ANY investment/craze will hit a peak, they always pop  since the great tulip Craze in the 1600s, be it the nifty fifty,  dot.coms, oil and gas, bitcoins, etc etc etc.  Simple human nature.

 

The cap will continue going up. And when the new deals are factored in, should go up substantially.

 

And I dont have to look it up to tell you what we both know. It's never happened.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

This is one QB you don’t blowout your budget on unless he has another monster year—-or at least can get to 3500-4000 passing.  They won’t pay him going coward to rush for 1000 a year.  

Well, going coward or not  

 

you do pay him to rush for 1000 IF he passes for well over 4000 yards per season 

[RoyBatty is alive]

Just now, DrDawkinstein said:

 

The cap will continue going up. And when the new deals are factored in, should go up substantially.

 

And I dont have to look it up to tell you what we both know. It's never happened.

If you knew as you calm then why did you bother asking?

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

If you knew as you calm then why did you bother asking?

 

Because youre so fun to converse with

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Well, going coward or not  

 

you do pay him to rush for 1000 IF he passes for well over 4000 yards per season 

lol “forward”.  
 

he’s never close to 4000 yards. 

[Albany,n.y.]

Lamar might be the smartest of them all-let the other QBs hire agents who gets a % of their contract, have them set the market & then go in asking for his market value.  The lawyer will go over the contract at a fraction of the cost.

He could even give the Ravens a 5% discount & still pocket more money than the guys with agents.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Lamar might be the smartest of them all

 

[LABILLBACKER]

6 hours ago, nucci said:

Franchise tag next year....whatever that number is

He's played in 4 playoff games. He's 1-3 with a 68 qb rating. You know the Ravens are factoring this in. He'll make his $23M this year and likely get tagged 2 straight years. So that will buy Baltimore some time to definitively decide if he's long term worthy.

[The Jokeman]

36 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

He's played in 4 playoff games. He's 1-3 with a 68 qb rating. You know the Ravens are factoring this in. He'll make his $23M this year and likely get tagged 2 straight years. So that will buy Baltimore some time to definitively decide if he's long term worthy.

The problem is Lamar's skill set is hard to replicate or have anyone excel at it. As we saw with Tyrod and Kaepernick Roman's offense slowly eventually shows too limited in the passing game. So if the Ravens are looking at other QBs they'd also look at different OCs too. 

[Rochesterfan]

3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Lamar might be the smartest of them all-let the other QBs hire agents who gets a % of their contract, have them set the market & then go in asking for his market value.  The lawyer will go over the contract at a fraction of the cost.

He could even give the Ravens a 5% discount & still pocket more money than the guys with agents.  

 

How would that work - Agents are capped at significantly less than 5% based on NFL/NFLPA rules.

 

He might save 1% maybe doing this - which is potentially 2 million dollars on a 200 million dollar deal.

 

He risks losing more by having a small loophole with a lawyer that missed something because he does not deal with the Salary Cap and NFL lawyers.

 

I have no issue with him doing it, but the reality is the Agents make a lot, but if you are a top end talent - they also spend a lot of time massaging the deal to benefit you as a player because that benefits them as an agent.

 

 

[KDIGGZ]

"Give me the Watson deal"

- Lamar's agent, aka Lamar

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Dont know, you look it up but what I do know is the current rate of QB inflation is unsustainable, at this rate in a few year franchise QBs will be getting what, half of the total salary cap.  This qb infation like ANY investment/craze will hit a peak, they always pop  since the great tulip Craze in the 1600s, be it the nifty fifty,  dot.coms, oil and gas, bitcoins, etc etc etc.  Simple human nature.

 

and yet, as a percentage of the cap, these contracts are pretty darn close to what they were 20 years ago. 

[LABILLBACKER]

31 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

The problem is Lamar's skill set is hard to replicate or have anyone excel at it. As we saw with Tyrod and Kaepernick Roman's offense slowly eventually shows too limited in the passing game. So if the Ravens are looking at other QBs they'd also look at different OCs too. 

Yea but his skillset is still one dimensional. That's why I think they wait this out before making a huge investment. He'll still probably make 95+ million over the next 3 years. Then he can go the Cousins route. 

[Big Turk]

He will probably get more than Allen just because the cap went up and other QB contracts have gone up after Allen's 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

15 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

It’s obvious he’s the next in line for a big payday as I think it would be very difficult to trade the best player the franchise has had since Ray Lewis.

So if Watson got 230 million guaranteed you have to think Lamar is using that as a starting point. 
 

 

Whatever it is he doesn't deserve it, just not a good QB

 

 

[Don Otreply]

17 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

"No" - Ravens

 

Now what?

 

It definitely isnt the easiest deal to do seeing as how he isnt a typical QB, puts his body at more risk with his running, and missed time due to multiple COVID infections while refusing to be vaccinated (I get all the COVID stuff is over, but who knows what comes up next that he wont play along with and cost himself time). Plus, that MVP award he won is looking more and more like a joke considering he's never made it past the Divisional round while being on a well-built, well-managed, well-coached team.

So nah, I offer him Dak money at best. See how he negotiates with that.

Considering that Dak is noticeably over paid, and noticeably under performs, yet is a better QB,   that would be a generous offer for a QB of Lamar Jackson overall skill set and potential, of course he will say he is being disrespected by being offered such a pittance…, will be fun to watch it play out, 😁👍

Edited March 31, 2022 by Don Otreply

[SCBills]

Have to think Lamar’s negotiations begin at the Watson deal.  
 

He’ll point to his MVP and no off-the-field issues.  
 

We can point out his post-season struggles, but it’s not like Watson has been much better.  

[Don Otreply]

How many times are they gonna pay these guys and watch them fail to be any better than they have been in the past, getting to the playoffs a couple of times doesn’t rate a kings ransom, being slightly above average rates a pay check for being slightly above average, how hard is it for a GM to say this to a player?  QBs like Cousins are a prime example of grossly over paying for a bit above average performance, the Watson deal is ludicrous, it in effect nullifies the overall benefit of the cap dollars going up, it remains just as hard to build a team if the percentages of cap use stays the same…,  

[Albany,n.y.]

13 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

How would that work - Agents are capped at significantly less than 5% based on NFL/NFLPA rules.

 

He might save 1% maybe doing this - which is potentially 2 million dollars on a 200 million dollar deal.

 

He risks losing more by having a small loophole with a lawyer that missed something because he does not deal with the Salary Cap and NFL lawyers.

 

I have no issue with him doing it, but the reality is the Agents make a lot, but if you are a top end talent - they also spend a lot of time massaging the deal to benefit you as a player because that benefits them as an agent.

 

 

Thanks for the info, I thought agents got 10%. For 3% or less, he's foolish to be negotiating his own contract.  I once heard an opinion that criticized Lamar in 2018 saying that an agent would have prepared him better in marketing himself for a higher draft spot.  If that is true, he's been costing himself $ for over 4 years already.  

[Heavy Kevi]

20 hours ago, aristocrat said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/29/steve-bisciotti-lamar-jackson-approach-to-contract-unique-as-hell/

 

Apparently Lamar doesn't want an extension right now? 

 

The kid is so obsessed with winning a Super Bowl, that I think deep down, he doesn’t think he’s worthy. I think he wants that to say, ‘Now, I deserve to be on top,'” Bisciotti said.

 

That's nuts if true.

 

He should be trying to take advantage of his status as most overrated QB in the history of the game, and get paid now before the gig is up.

 

Crazy how the former MVP is the 4th best QB in that division right now... Ok maybe 3rd, maybe.