Chicken Boo Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: How many playoff games have Jonathan Taylor and Derrick Henry won??? How many Super Bowls??? Not a great argument as neither has an elite QB to help the balance. Imagine the Bills with Taylor or Henry. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: How is it that different? Sure there are some differences, but you still have to be competent in running the ball. Do you think the Titans are half the team without Henry? If Henry doesn’t get hurt, they likely would have gone to the super bowl. They aren't the same team without Henry because their entire offense is built around Henry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 We needed a body in the RB room. Good pickup, cheap. IMHO: If we sign a vet CB next, we are 100% going to take another RB in the draft and I wouldn't be surprised if it were Breece Hall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, StHustle said: Won't be nowhere near what JD would've been. May not make the team. Has a higher career yards per reception and catch percentage than McKissic. I think we are really overestimating how good JD is, or would be in this offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said: Not a great argument as neither has an elite QB to help the balance. Imagine the Bills with Taylor or Henry. On what Rookie Deals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I’m having a hard time reconciling the two !! in the thread title Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Not a great argument as neither has an elite QB to help the balance. Imagine the Bills with Taylor or Henry. We are unstoppable. Nobody and I mean nobody is stopping us if we have Taylor on this team. Breece Hall is basically Jonathan Taylor. We are stupid if we don’t do it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I'm fine with a dynamic rb as long as its during his 5 yr rookie deal. Most of our money will be wrapped up on Josh, Von, Tre, Stef and eventually Ed & Dawson. We're not going to have the money. As MAJBobby said, it's much more of a 11 personnel passing league. It's ok to want a compelling RB but it doesn't have to be a #1 priority. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 39 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I bet the Steelers don’t consider Najee Harris a wasted pick. Or many of the other top RBs to go high end over the years. If we had a Jonathan Taylor type of RB, we are unstoppable. It’s the missing key. Sure, just completely ignore the 1st round RB picks that DON’T work out. How do you think the Giants feel about Barkley, how do the Panthers feel paying almost $20M a year for an oft injured CMC? I’m sure the Seahawks don’t regret spending a 1st on Rashaad Penny, and that the Chiefs are thrilled they took Clyde Edwards Helaire. First round running backs don’t always work out, however selectively you might like to list them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, MAJBobby said: On what Rookie Deals? That the thing. We won't know unless we try. Henry was in year 4 when he ran for 1500 and Taylor - year 2, 1800 yards rushing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Logic said: You're just on a one-man crusade this year for Breece Hall. Anything the Bills do that negatively impacts their chances of drafting him -- and let's be honest, with holes at CB, WR, and OL, all of which are more important positions than RB, it's not likely that they draft him ANYWAY -- causes you to jump into the thread and make dramatic pronouncements like "if they don't want to win a Super Bowl, it's their prerogative". One of the more dedicated, relentless, humorous draft campaigns I've seen on this forum over the years. Two men. Count me in!! Edited March 21, 2022 by Solomon Grundy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why can’t we just get our Thurman Thomas? It optimized Kelly. Allen deserves his Thurman. Let’s get it, and roll into the Super Bowls. Thurman first two years - 505 carries for 2126 yds and 8 rushing TDs. Also 78 catches for 877 Yds and 6 TDs. Devin 1st 3 years - 495 carries for 2332 yds and 11 rushing TDs. Also 107 catches for 697 yards and 3 TDs. Pretty even performances - within 24 total yds and identical TD totals! The game has changed in 30 years with more Nickel D and less carries by RBs and more platooning at RB. Singletary is an effective runner in the right scheme - he is not the receiver Thurman was - thus the Bills signing Duke Johnson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Logic said: Sure, just completely ignore the 1st round RB picks that DON’T work out. How do you think the Giants feel about Barkley, how do the Panthers feel paying almost $20M a year for an oft injured CMC? I’m sure the Seahawks don’t regret spending a 1st on Rashaad Penny, and that the Chiefs are thrilled they took Clyde Edwards Helaire. First round running backs don’t always work out, however selectively you might like to list them. It’s a real murders row… 2010: CJ Spiller, Ryan Mathews, Jahvid Best 2011: Mark Ingram 2012: Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, David Wilson 2015: Todd Gurley, Melvin Gordon 2016: Ezekiel Elliot 2017: Leonard Fournette, Christian McCaffrey 2018: Saquon Barkley, Rashaad Penny, Sony Michel 2019: Josh Jacobs 2020: Clyde Edwards-Helaire 2021: Najee Harris, Travis Etienne 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: That the thing. We won't know unless we try. Henry was in year 4 when he ran for 1500 and Taylor - year 2, 1800 yards rushing. Ultra productive RBs with speed are the best indicator of success in the NFL. Breece Hall runs a 4.39 and had two seasons of 1,400+ yards and is dangerous in the passing game. He had Brock Purdy. Imagine what he’d do with Josh Allen. I haven’t felt this confident about a RB since Jonathan Taylor. I honestly hope we find a way to draft him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I like Duke over Moss but we still need a speedy/breakaway threat. Ty Chandler from UNC might be a guy we could take later that could be such a RB and help in the return game too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Logic said: Sure, just completely ignore the 1st round RB picks that DON’T work out. How do you think the Giants feel about Barkley, how do the Panthers feel paying almost $20M a year for an oft injured CMC? I’m sure the Seahawks don’t regret spending a 1st on Rashaad Penny, and that the Chiefs are thrilled they took Clyde Edwards Helaire. First round running backs don’t always work out, however selectively you might like to list them. Neither do the CBs, WRs, OL, etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I wanted Jonathan Taylor so badly when he was drafted. I don’t want to see a Taylor 2.0 . Breece Hall is it, he does it all. Speed, runs, catches, blocks, goal line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, freddyjj said: Thurman first two years - 505 carries for 2126 yds and 8 rushing TDs. Also 78 catches for 877 Yds and 6 TDs. Devin 1st 3 years - 495 carries for 2332 yds and 11 rushing TDs. Also 107 catches for 697 yards and 3 TDs. Pretty even performances - within 24 total yds and identical TD totals! The game has changed in 30 years with more Nickel D and less carries by RBs and more platooning at RB. Singletary is an effective runner in the right scheme - he is not the receiver Thurman was - thus the Bills signing Duke Johnson. Not as explosive as Thurman either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 hours ago, StHustle said: Won't be nowhere near what JD would've been. May not make the team. Some supremely bad takes on this board right now McK is probably better......but a back that can catch AND pass protect WILL make this team 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 24 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Not a great argument as neither has an elite QB to help the balance. Imagine the Bills with Taylor or Henry. Who was the last elite rb to win a super bowl? 21 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: We are unstoppable. Nobody and I mean nobody is stopping us if we have Taylor on this team. Breece Hall is basically Jonathan Taylor. We are stupid if we don’t do it. You’ve gone off the deep end bruh. Are you going to be rooting against the bills when we inevitably don’t draft him just so the Bills don’t win a SB and prove you wrong. And you’re saying Brandon Beane is stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 44 minutes ago, freddyjj said: So how many games did we win with Shady and Josh in 2018? This team had OJ, Thurman, Marshawn, Fred Jackson and Shady and won nothing. It is a QB league! Bills need a 3rd down option now that Beasley is gone. Duke is a very good 3rd down back. Shady, OJ and FredEx never had a QB of Josh’s caliber. Thurman was an effect of bad coaching decisions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who was the last elite rb to win a super bowl? You’ve gone off the deep end bruh. Are you going to be rooting against the bills when we inevitably don’t draft him just so the Bills don’t win a SB and prove you wrong. And you’re saying Brandon Beane is stupid. Of course not. Will always root for the Bills. It’s a curse. Been cheering during the failure this long, I can manage another year or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: Meh Me too. Would've loved him 4 years ago. Only 28 so we'll see what he can do with a real QB as a 3rd down back/ check down option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Of course not. Will always root for the Bills. It’s a curse. Been cheering during the failure this long, I can manage another year or more. You think that Brandon Beane is stupid if he doesn’t draft a Rb with his first round pick. You’re taking this too hard. You don’t believe this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, No_Matter_What said: You can never have enough Dukes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Rico said: Duke Preston Duke Williams S Duke Williams WR Maybe the 4th Duke is the charm. 5. Duke Preston OL how soon people forget. 🙃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 @IronMaidenBills, I’ll be doing my Jesse Jackson and “keep hope alive” on the Breece Hall selection. No need to keep debating 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, NewEra said: You think that Brandon Beane is stupid if he doesn’t draft a Rb with his first round pick. You’re taking this too hard. You don’t believe this. I wonder how many teams would have wished they didn’t pass on Jonathan Taylor. The key to taking a RB high in the draft is being able to identify 1st round or upper 2nd round talent to justify it. The key is to find a ultra productive RB that has speed and can do it all. Taylor fit that criteria, Breece Hall fits that criteria. 4.39 speed, size comparison to Beast mode, and the catching abilities of McKissic. Absolutely I think any GM would be stupid to pass up a late first rounder on talent like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who was the last elite rb to win a super bowl? People may not see Fournette as being elite, but he's an above average 3-down RB. Given the opportunity, he'd be a top 5ish back and Joe Mixon was just in the Super Bowl. The Bills *can win without an elite RB. My argument is that it can happen far easier with than without. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I'm neither excited nor angry about this signing. Looks like a decent veteran depth RB signing. Given that the Bills are his 4th or 5th team, he's not likley in high demand and his price tag isn't likely too high, but he's carved out a role on all of these teams and has been productive. From what I have seen, he's a better pass receiving option than Singletary or Moss and he can pass block, so he fills a need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) I don't know not much about Mckissick and Duke, but nothing really changed they both look good in the receiving game Edited March 21, 2022 by motorj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I wonder how many teams would have wished they didn’t pass on Jonathan Taylor. I wonder if Indy wishes they didn't pass on Josh Allen.... I wonder which of the two teams has greater regrets now? Maybe the one who isn't favored to win the SB next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I think this is a move we would have made even McKissic was here. I expect him to compete with Zack Moss and possibly push him off the roster. I'd still expect a quick pass catcher in the Draft. I like James Cook in the 3rd (so long as Ryan Bates re-signs). But I also think even a 3rd Round pick is pushing it. These discussions about Breece Hall make me laugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I wonder if Indy wishes they didn't pass on Josh Allen.... I wonder which of the two teams has greater regrets now? Maybe the one who isn't favored to win the SB next year? Completely different draft class and situation. Come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I wonder if Indy wishes they didn't pass on Josh Allen.... Andrew Luck was still tossing the ball for them, and had a solid year, but it was his last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said: He definitely had a role in Cleveland. They just had Hunt and Chubb to play instead…and he certainly was not playing over them. He was productive without any competition. I understand the full room in Clev but not able to find a role with Houston or Miami is a concern. Dont get me wrong I liked him coming off his 70 or so catch season in Cle. Im not expecting alot. He could fill the pass catcher back role. With the new play caller im curious if they will utilize it. Unlike what they did with Yeldon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: That will work. Good out of backfield. And also good at blitz pickup. This will work. so now just need one CB and a WR and head to draft. That is what I am saying......does everything the bills need Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: Completely different draft class and situation. Come on. No, you are the one telling everybody here how much the Bills are going to regret not taking Breece Hall - and how every team in the NFL is regretting not taking Jonathan Taylor. I think it is entirely relevant to point out which team has greater regrets at the moment for their draft choices... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Completely different draft class and situation. Come on. This is going completely over your head (like everything else) 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: I’ve already said numerous times on here, a RB alone can’t win it all, but if they are coupled with an elite QB, that team is nearly unstoppable. If KC had Derrick Henry, nobody is stopping them. Henry needs touches in order to be effective and you think he is getting that with Mahommes LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I guess that means our running backs will have to Duke it out! Is he a high-Motor guy? He shouldn't let any Moss grow on his training plan! OK, that's all I can think of for now, my work here is done. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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