benderbender Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Doing our part to make him the Fitz of RBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I’m tired of neglecting top RB talent. We will always be one dimensional until we get that guy. Maybe you should start a thread about this! Oh, wait.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Meh, a receiving back who can’t run anymore. Which means if he’s in on 3rd down, teams basically know what we are doing. Better of drafting a RB who can do everything. And what would that be? Just because if he's in on 3rd down don't mean a thing. There's no telling what they do.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Maybe you should start a thread about this! Oh, wait.... Well when we have a scrambling Josh on a designed run play that breaks a few ribs, don’t come crying to me. I appreciate Allen as a runner, but it’s a stupid risk considering what he means to this team. Just get a speed work horse RB that can do it all. Edited March 21, 2022 by IronMaidenBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Does he hold for kicks?? Just thinking about a way to free up another roster spot.... 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I just love the Obsession with RBs in the Bills fan base. Give me WRs, TEs, CBs, OL, DL, QBs, etc etc heck even Punters and Kickers over a RB (Can find them all over the place) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Well when we have a scrambling Josh on a designed run play that breaks a few ribs, don’t come crying to me. I appreciate Allen as a runner, but it’s a stupid risk considering what he means to this team. Just get a speed work horse RB that can do it all. I'm not worried about it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I bet the Steelers don’t consider Najee Harris a wasted pick. Or many of the other top RBs to go high end over the years. If we had a Jonathan Taylor type of RB, we are unstoppable. It’s the missing key. Najee Harris was a waste of a pick. He was a volume guy on an average (at best) team. Almost 400 touches and he averaged under 4 yards per carry 😂. They could’ve used that pick on MUCH more impactful positions. You realize the numbers bear out that taking a RB1 in round 1 is one of the worse values you can get, right? I’m not just making this up. Jonathan Taylor was a 2nd round pick… Edited March 21, 2022 by JGMcD2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, MAJBobby said: I just love the Obsession with RBs in the Bills fan base. Give me WRs, TEs, CBs, OL, DL, QBs, etc etc heck even Punters and Kickers over a RB (Can find them all over the place) Yeah, can find a Jonathan Taylor and a Derrick Henry all over the place. Lol . Do you know what a Jonathan Taylor would mean for this team? Why wouldn’t any sane fan want that? Just now, JGMcD2 said: Najee Harris was a waste of a pick. He was a volume guy on an average (at best) team. Almost 400 touches and he averaged under 4 yards per carry 😂. They could’ve used that pick on MUCH more impactful positions. You realize the numbers bear out that taking a RB1 in round 1 is one of the worse values you can get, right? I’m not just making this up. Jonathan Taylor was a 2nd round pick… I know he was a 2nd round pick, but an upper 2nd round pick. Likely where Breece Hall is going to go. We either take him, trade down, or trade up into the 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Healthy scratch for 2/3 of the season. I like Duke, but I do not like Beane's vision for RBs, so far, as GM of the Bills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, boater said: Heh. Beane is signing lots of Dolphins today. He got Duke and his Mancz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Back2Buff said: Hopefully he doesn't make the team. Solves zero need. Need to draft a speed back. his stats do show some ability to catch the ball out of the backfield with a 8+ yards/reception, which is what we had (temporarily) with the JD Makes-Me-Sick signing, yeah the Duke not a a big play/speed guy but perhaps Dorsey is going to add that feature to the scheme where the safeties are playing deeper and the under-wheel-flat routes show some opportunities...will take 8-9 yards at-a-time to keep the chains moving for sure as there are going to be plenty of long drives that eat clock, rest the D, and end in FGs, to go along with the big plays https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/duke-johnson-16801/stats-valuation/ Edited March 21, 2022 by First Round Bust sp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 He was a good signing on my Fantasy team about 3 years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, MAJBobby said: I just love the Obsession with RBs in the Bills fan base. Give me WRs, TEs, CBs, OL, DL, QBs, etc etc heck even Punters and Kickers over a RB (Can find them all over the place) Yeah, and I mean I for one wasn't expecting much done especially with how much they improved last few games when finally getting the OL personnel worked out. I expected Breida to be replaced, but who didn't really lol.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Well when we have a scrambling Josh on a designed run play that breaks a few ribs, don’t come crying to me. I appreciate Allen as a runner, but it’s a stupid risk considering what he means to this team. Just get a speed work horse RB that can do it all. his running is a big part of why we're a good team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Yeah, can find a Jonathan Taylor and a Derrick Henry all over the place. Lol . Do you know what a Jonathan Taylor would mean for this team? Why wouldn’t any sane fan want that? I know he was a 2nd round pick, but an upper 2nd round pick. Likely where Breece Hall is going to go. We either take him, trade down, or trade up into the 2nd. How many playoff games have Jonathan Taylor and Derrick Henry won??? How many Super Bowls??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Well when we have a scrambling Josh on a designed run play that breaks a few ribs, don’t come crying to me. I appreciate Allen as a runner, but it’s a stupid risk considering what he means to this team. Just get a speed work horse RB that can do it all. I mean I guess I'll feel a little bad if Josh breaks some poor guys ribs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeHateMe Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I don't see how people are up in arms about this... He's a decent depth back who can catch and fills that roll. There are no Johnathan Taylors sitting out there to be picked up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, nucci said: his running is a big part of why we're a good team That isn’t sustainable though long term. Mobile QBs don’t last long in the league, that’s just a fact. At some point, I hope Allen and management realize that they have to stop it and maximize his longevity. I want Allen to have a long career, that won’t happen if he continues to run like he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 hour ago, CapeBreton said: Love it, he was great for Miami last year. Great receiving back has been under utilized his whole career. Hope he doesn't get the Yeldon/Brieda treatment though. Voted awesome just for the music! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: How many playoff games have Jonathan Taylor and Derrick Henry won??? How many Super Bowls??? I’ve already said numerous times on here, a RB alone can’t win it all, but if they are coupled with an elite QB, that team is nearly unstoppable. If KC had Derrick Henry, nobody is stopping them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 18 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: I don’t even know why we are wasting money on a scrub RB anyways. Rather bring in a vet CB with that money. I’m tired of neglecting top RB talent. We will always be one dimensional until we get that guy. Otherwise we are just going to get Allen hurt at some point. I bet the Steelers don’t consider Najee Harris a wasted pick. Or many of the other top RBs to go high end over the years. If we had a Jonathan Taylor type of RB, we are unstoppable. It’s the missing key. So how many games did we win with Shady and Josh in 2018? This team had OJ, Thurman, Marshawn, Fred Jackson and Shady and won nothing. It is a QB league! Bills need a 3rd down option now that Beasley is gone. Duke is a very good 3rd down back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, HeHateMe said: I don't see how people are up in arms about this... He's a decent depth back who can catch and fills that roll. There are no Johnathan Taylors sitting out there to be picked up. And if there was SMART teams would not pay the contact the Jonathan Taylors demand, they NEVER live up to that second contract. Just now, IronMaidenBills said: I’ve already said numerous times on here, a RB alone can’t win it all, but if they are coupled with an elite QB, that team is nearly unstoppable. If KC had Derrick Henry, nobody is stopping them. Really? So who comes off the KC team to pay Derrick Henry's contract? the Proper way to address RB, take many swings in the mid rounds, and never pay that second contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, nucci said: his running is a big part of why we're a good team I'm guessing there aren't too many people on this board who wouldn't replay the KC Divisional game and have Allen run it on 3rd down on the two drives they handed off on 3rd and 2...and then punted 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 It is so funny watching the obsession with RBs, you can clearly tell the era of fan when it comes to that. The reality though is in todays NFL Kicker has more value than a RB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: And if there was SMART teams would not pay the contact the Jonathan Taylors demand, they NEVER live up to that second contract. Really? So who comes off the KC team to pay Derrick Henry's contract? the Proper way to address RB, take many swings in the mid rounds, and never pay that second contract. Why would they pay for a Derrick Henry? They will draft an elite RB. I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up drafting Breece Hall. If they do, they will go to the super bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why would they pay for a Derrick Henry? They will draft an elite RB. I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up drafting Breece Hall. If they do, they will go to the super bowl. I would BE willing to BET that RB will not be selected before the 3rd round. it is MORE likely you will see a Double Dip at CB, than a RB in rounds 1 or 2 Edited March 21, 2022 by MAJBobby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: That isn’t sustainable though long term. Mobile QBs don’t last long in the league, that’s just a fact. At some point, I hope Allen and management realize that they have to stop it and maximize his longevity. I want Allen to have a long career, that won’t happen if he continues to run like he does. I personally don't believe Dorsey will risk Allen like Daboll did. Not saying there won't be ANY QB designed runs or anything, but I highly feel that's an area that Dorsey will change 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Chances that this thread turns into Breece Hall 2.0? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, Sheneneh Jenkins said: I personally don't believe Dorsey will risk Allen like Daboll did. Not saying there won't be ANY QB designed runs or anything, but I highly feel that's an area that Dorsey will change And that is fine with me.... Allens Runs are better off script anyway. I dont need to see the Bills Running the Student Body Right and Left with their QB like it is 1970s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: And that is fine with me.... Allens Runs are better off script anyway. I dont need to see the Bills Running the Student Body Right and Left with their QB like it is 1970s Why can’t we just get our Thurman Thomas? It optimized Kelly. Allen deserves his Thurman. Let’s get it, and roll into the Super Bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: And that is fine with me.... Allens Runs are better off script anyway. I dont need to see the Bills Running the Student Body Right and Left with their QB like it is 1970s Bobby Douglass era for da Bears - ha ha LOL!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why can’t we just get our Thurman Thomas? It optimized Kelly. Allen deserves his Thurman. Let’s get it, and roll into the Super Bowls. Different Era of Football. I really suggest people stop trying to compare the Eras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why would they pay for a Derrick Henry? They will draft an elite RB. I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up drafting Breece Hall. If they do, they will go to the super bowl. Wasn’t everyone saying that when they took CEH? 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Different Era of Football. I really suggest people stop trying to compare the Eras. How is it that different? Sure there are some differences, but you still have to be competent in running the ball. Do you think the Titans are half the team without Henry? If Henry doesn’t get hurt, they likely would have gone to the super bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 I think Moss will be gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, JGMcD2 said: Wasn’t everyone saying that when they took CEH? 😂 No. At least I wasn’t. CEH is overrated and a terrible selection. Imagine thinking Snail boi is better than a 4.39 prospect like Taylor and Hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Why can’t we just get our Thurman Thomas? It optimized Kelly. Allen deserves his Thurman. Let’s get it, and roll into the Super Bowls. TreVeyon Henderson will not be available until the 2024 draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: How is it that different? Sure there are some differences, but you still have to be competent in running the ball. Do you think the Titans are half the team without Henry? If Henry doesn’t get hurt, they likely would have gone to the super bowl. How did they do in the Playoffs with Henry? Yes it is massively different, the NFL changed to a passing league with the Rules Changes. I am glad it seems that the Bills have finally started seeing the value reduction in RBs, now if they would just see also you do not need 3QBs and can free a roster spot. Barkley would have been available June 1st, no need to do it now. Edited March 21, 2022 by MAJBobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Hall is literally a Jonathan Taylor. It’s why I want him on this team so badly. And if he’s not, a year from now, everyone is going to be mad we didn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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