bubba2018 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) I am in the group who wants him gone for a second round pick, but with all the pieces we’ve acquired what would be the point? He can still play a vital role on this defense and why lose that when you also have a full set of picks in the draft. Edited March 18, 2022 by recovery96 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCNC Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Good. With Star gone now, we'll have somebody to gripe about next year. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Like you mean no sense for another team to trade assets for him? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KCNC said: Good. With Star gone now, we'll have somebody to gripe about next year. Yes, thank goodness we have Edmunds to replace Star in that position. Solid depth. Edited March 18, 2022 by Malazan 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Malazan said: Yes, thank goodness we have Edmunds to replace Star in that position. Solid depth. Well the goal is always to develop from within 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 All this talent around him and his college buddy starting in front of him now. I expect Maine to ball out this season. We might be singing a different tune about him next season. Wasn't too long ago Oliver and Knox was the whipping boys. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 It actually does make sense for a number of reasons that have been beat to death including but not limited to: - $12 million in cap space free immediately - would likely get a 2nd round pick at minimum (possibly more) - can sign Wagner or other stop gap LB much cheaper, wagner (and others) would be instant upgrade/at worse lateral move. - despite all the cap maneuvering we aren't going to be able to keep everyone and no way I'm paying $15 - $20 million a season for a guy like Edmunds starting in 2023. At this point he probably stays but still think it's very possible he's moved soon especially the longer guys like Wagner stay on the market. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, FilthyBeast said: It actually does make sense for a number of reasons that have been beat to death including but not limited to: - $12 million in cap space free immediately - would likely get a 2nd round pick at minimum (possibly more) - can sign Wagner or other stop gap LB much cheaper, wagner (and others) would be instant upgrade/at worse lateral move. - despite all the cap maneuvering we aren't going to be able to keep everyone and no way I'm paying $15 - $20 million a season for a guy like Edmunds starting in 2023. At this point he probably stays but still think it's very possible he's moved soon especially the longer guys like Wagner stay on the market. Trading Edmunds would be contingent on signing an instant upgrade. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Trading Edmunds would be contingent on signing an instant upgrade. My grandmother is an upgrade over Edmunds at this point and she has dementia 2 5 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, DJB said: My grandmother is an upgrade over Edmunds at this point and she has dementia That’s not true and that’s silly. Edmunds is a disappointment. But he’s not the worst MLB in the NFL. If your goal is to win a Super Bowl in the next two years, you don’t create a hole at inside linebacker. 2 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Edmunds is playing out of position. I think he could be a Von Miller type pass rusher. It's clear that he's not a 4-3 MLB. Before they give up on him they should let him rush the passer from the edge this year. He has the speed and the length and it looks like he has some bend because every time he gets blocked he folds up like a cheap tent 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerboski Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 He isn’t gonna be traded lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Edmunds is playing out of position. I think he could be a Von Miller type pass rusher. It's clear that he's not a 4-3 MLB. Before they give up on him they should let him rush the passer from the edge this year. He has the speed and the length and it looks like he has some bend because every time he gets blocked he folds up like a cheap tent He's worse at pass rushing than he is at playing MLB. Everyone who wants to move him to OLB/DE is only wishing based on his size. He has no fire or power to get to the QB. 2020 he had something like 76 blitzes and tallied ZERO pressures. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 He'll be here this year to decide if he'll be here next year. Tons of talent upgrades particularly at DT to help him flow to the ball better and be untouched. Better pass rusher to help him in the pass coverage game. No more excuses for this guy. Time to show what he can do or time to find a new team. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 20 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: It actually does make sense for a number of reasons that have been beat to death including but not limited to: - $12 million in cap space free immediately - would likely get a 2nd round pick at minimum (possibly more) - can sign Wagner or other stop gap LB much cheaper, wagner (and others) would be instant upgrade/at worse lateral move. - despite all the cap maneuvering we aren't going to be able to keep everyone and no way I'm paying $15 - $20 million a season for a guy like Edmunds starting in 2023. At this point he probably stays but still think it's very possible he's moved soon especially the longer guys like Wagner stay on the market. im sure Buffalo woukd have negotiated in principle,e a deal with a UFA LB contingent on buffalo trading him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 As much as I want to upgrade the spot, I'm fine with keeping Edmunds this year. If for no other reason than to see him behind an improved DL and one more year of maturity, just to prove to all the apologists and fanboys that he really is Just A Guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 18 minutes ago, DJB said: My grandmother is an upgrade over Edmunds at this point and she has dementia 'It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice'. * 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I don’t even know what started them Edmunds hate? Honestly on every big run the Bills have given up I get more upset at Poyer and Hyde for taking terrible angles. He doesn’t ever stand out, maybe that’s the problem for fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Finkel Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said: He's worse at pass rushing than he is at playing MLB. Everyone who wants to move him to OLB/DE is only wishing based on his size. He has no fire or power to get to the QB. 2020 he had something like 76 blitzes and tallied ZERO pressures. He gets stopped in his tracks every time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don’t even know what started them Edmunds hate? Honestly on every big run the Bills have given up I get more upset at Poyer and Hyde for taking terrible angles. He doesn’t ever stand out, maybe that’s the problem for fans. This is the TB Game. Look at how flat footed he plays. There are a couple of plays where the DTs get worked back to him but man doesn't flow downhill at all on run plays. He doesn't process. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don’t even know what started them Edmunds hate? Honestly on every big run the Bills have given up I get more upset at Poyer and Hyde for taking terrible angles. He doesn’t ever stand out, maybe that’s the problem for fans. This is my biggest beef. He never makes any plays. I understand that MLBs dont make a ton of plays as it is, but he makes NO plays. I'm not expecting an INT every game. But I'd be thrilled with something like 4 tipped balls, 2-3 INTs for himself, and a handful of TFLs across the whole season. Heck, I'd be thrilled if he just stopped overpursuing and learned to take better angles on open field tackles. My bar for him last year was really low, and he didnt even live up to that. Klein came in for two games and immediately made a couple plays (tipped/defended a pass). 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: He's worse at pass rushing than he is at playing MLB. Everyone who wants to move him to OLB/DE is only wishing based on his size. He has no fire or power to get to the QB. 2020 he had something like 76 blitzes and tallied ZERO pressures. Edmund's problems are between the ears, not physical. He's like one of those QB's that is a physical specimen, but gets happy feet or panics with pressure or can't feel the pocket etc. A position change will honestly make it worse. It's depressing in the sense that an instinctual LB should be eating offenses alive in McD's scheme. It's why Milano outperforms him every year as a much lesser athlete. When Milano picks the right gap and shoots it, he makes the play. Edmunds mostly picks the wrong gap, gets trapped in the gap, or washed out in the run. Milano in 71 games played and 54 starts has 45 TFL's. Edmunds in 61 games and starts has 26. That's ROUGH. Even SCARIER, Milano has 31 QB hits in his career. Edmunds has 15. Edmunds hit a QB ONCE last year. Some of that is based on what plays are called. But the MLB who runs a 4.5 and is the size of Gronk should be able to blitz and touch the QB more than ONCE. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, FireChans said: Edmund's problems are between the ears, not physical. He's like one of those QB's that is a physical specimen, but gets happy feet or panics with pressure or can't feel the pocket etc. A position change will honestly make it worse. It's depressing in the sense that an instinctual LB should be eating offenses alive in McD's scheme. It's why Milano outperforms him every year as a much lesser athlete. When Milano picks the right gap and shoots it, he makes the play. Edmunds mostly picks the wrong gap, gets trapped in the gap, or washed out in the run. Milano in 71 games played and 54 starts has 45 TFL's. Edmunds in 61 games and starts has 26. That's ROUGH. I've watched the (very informative) Cover1 breakdowns, so I get that they give him a ton of responsibility. Often covering 2 gaps instead of just one, which makes him pause and wait instead of simply shooting a gap. I'm not out here just hating without understanding everything he does do, and all the responsibility he has. But something is still missing. Kuechly had the same responsibilites in the same position in the same scheme and made a TON of plays. If Edmunds just met those stats HALFWAY, not even expecting him to be a full Kuechly, then I'd be happy. But he's just this shell out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) It never made sense unless he wasn’t in their future plans. Which we still don’t know yet, but our GM, Coaches, players, and even the new players continue to praise him and refer to him as good to even one of the better LBs in the NFL. I keep saying it, what people hate most about Edmunds has more to do with how we use him more than anything. I don’t see us trading him unless we get a really good offer. We are making a big push for SB this year, they aren’t just gonna easily give away the captain of the D and create yet another hole. Edited March 18, 2022 by Alphadawg7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I don’t even know what started them Edmunds hate? Honestly on every big run the Bills have given up I get more upset at Poyer and Hyde for taking terrible angles. He doesn’t ever stand out, maybe that’s the problem for fans. Your last sentence sums it up perfectly and why Beane has no business paying a guy like this $12 million this season and likely much more on a long term extension. Most fans like myself were patient the first few years buying into the 'he's still only 19/20 years old and growing into his frame' idea. But we are now entering the 5th year of the Edmunds experiment still waiting for something that's simply not coming especially since LB is one of the easiest positions to transition from the college to pro level. At some point you just need a fresh start and that would benefit both sides here especially for a team that realizes any potential Edmunds may still have is going to be in a different defense/scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) Great another Edmonds is useless thread. 👏 Edited March 18, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Edmunds is playing out of position. I think he could be a Von Miller type pass rusher. It's clear that he's not a 4-3 MLB. Before they give up on him they should let him rush the passer from the edge this year. He has the speed and the length and it looks like he has some bend because every time he gets blocked he folds up like a cheap tent He has shown 0 ability to rush the passer. No natural bend. I dont see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Great another Edmonds I as useless thread. 👏 We have to get at least one new one in every day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: It never made sense unless he wasn’t in their future plans. Which we still don’t know yet, but our GM, Coaches, players, and even knew players continue to praise him and refer to him as good to even one of the better LBs in the NFL. I keep saying it, what people hate most about Edmunds has more to do with how we use him more than anything. I don’t see us trading him unless we get a really good offer. We are making a big push for SB this year, they aren’t just gonna easily give away the captain of the D and create yet another hole. I'm sorry, but we wouldn't be picking up his fifth year option and waiting on an extension if the Bills brass was completely enamored with his play. I don't think they hate him or think he sucks, but they aren't ready to back up the Brinks truck for him, which honestly, based on his draft status and physical gifts, they should've been. 13 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I've watched the (very informative) Cover1 breakdowns, so I get that they give him a ton of responsibility. Often covering 2 gaps instead of just one, which makes him pause and wait instead of simply shooting a gap. I'm not out here just hating without understanding everything he does do, and all the responsibility he has. But something is still missing. Kuechly had the same responsibilites in the same position in the same scheme and made a TON of plays. If Edmunds just met those stats HALFWAY, not even expecting him to be a full Kuechly, then I'd be happy. But he's just this shell out there. I completely agree. There are guys in the league who are playmakers and pop off the field and guys that aren't. There's a dearth of impact plays when it comes to Edmunds. If he was a 3rd rounder, he wouldn't be so routinely debated. But he was a tradeup. There are a ton of guys who don't rely entirely on their physical gifts to play football. Those guys tend to have longer careers. Guys that are really only in the league because of what they bring to the table physically tend to wash out once they start to slow down, either due to age or nagging injuries. Edited March 18, 2022 by FireChans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said: Your last sentence sums it up perfectly and why Beane has no business paying a guy like this $12 million this season and likely much more on a long term extension. Most fans like myself were patient the first few years buying into the 'he's still only 19/20 years old and growing into his frame' idea. But we are now entering the 5th year of the Edmunds experiment still waiting for something that's simply not coming especially since LB is one of the easiest positions to transition from the college to pro level. At some point you just need a fresh start and that would benefit both sides here especially for a team that realizes any potential Edmunds may still have is going to be in a different defense/scheme. 2nd year he had 11 tackles for loss. Then the DL got weaker and smaller. I believe he was 2nd in the NFL for MLB. I just don’t agree. I think DL play had a lot to do with his timidness the last couple years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: It never made sense unless he wasn’t in their future plans. Which we still don’t know yet, but our GM, Coaches, players, and even the new players continue to praise him and refer to him as good to even one of the better LBs in the NFL. I keep saying it, what people hate most about Edmunds has more to do with how we use him more than anything. I don’t see us trading him unless we get a really good offer. We are making a big push for SB this year, they aren’t just gonna easily give away the captain of the D and create yet another hole. There are plenty of us critics (I wont say haters cause I def dont hate the guy) who are informed enough to know exactly how we use him, and how that may make him look different than the productivity of a lot of other LBs in the league. But are still left wanting and think either he could play better (make more plays) or the Bills could do better at the position. It's not fair or accurate to dismiss the criticisms with "folks dont understand his role". Plenty of us understand it perfectly and are still disappointed. We could definitely do worse at the position. But for the money he will likely want and command, we could do better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 49 minutes ago, recovery96 said: I am in the group who wants him gone for a second round pick, but with all the pieces we’ve acquired what would be the point? He can still play a vital role on this defense and why lose that when you also have a full set of picks in the draft. Because there are better players out there like Bobby Wagner who we could replace him with and use the pick to draft his replacement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 49 minutes ago, recovery96 said: I am in the group who wants him gone for a second round pick, but with all the pieces we’ve acquired what would be the point? He can still play a vital role on this defense and why lose that when you also have a full set of picks in the draft. If we can get a 2nd rd pick for him, I think Beane would pull the trigger no matter what. I don’t feel that anyone would offer that. Or a 3rd for that matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: I just don’t agree. I think DL play had a lot to do with his timidness the last couple years. Fair enough possibility. We will certainly see this year. And I hope for nothing more than Edmunds to have a true All Pro season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 45 minutes ago, DJB said: My grandmother is an upgrade over Edmunds at this point and she has dementia How old are you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: If we can get a 2nd rd pick for him, I think Beane would pull the trigger no matter what. I don’t feel that anyone would offer that. Or a 3rd for that matter. For all the praise he gets by other teams and the media, I think it is very telling that he is going into his 5th year without an extension. It doesnt tell us anything too crazy or alarming. But Beane's MO is to get his guys extended on fair deals well before this. So likely, Beane made a Milano-type offer ($10M/year) which I think is fair for Edmunds. Even as someone who has been disappointed, I could get behind keeping him for that number. And Edmunds thinks he can be worth more than that, but the Bills havent seen it yet to justify it (same as us critics). Hopefully he takes a step up, and shows us he's worth the big bucks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I keep saying it, what people hate most about Edmunds has more to do with how we use him more than anything. Even if that's true, which I don't believe it is, you understand that it doesn't matter right? If we use him in a way that makes him perform poorly, or he performs poorly strictly on merit, it's undeniable that MLB performance is a problem for this team. If you aren't going to dump Frazier (they aren't), then you have to find a player that can do what Frazier is asking him to do. It has to be extremely clear over Edmunds' career that he's incapable of doing that. He's barely even flashed any potential and he's had 4 full seasons to show us what he can do. It's time to move on. Edited March 18, 2022 by BullBuchanan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Booey Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 32 minutes ago, Jerboski said: He isn’t gonna be traded lol He will actually be extended this year. Watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I think we keep Edmunds and draft a possible replacement in April to groom behind him this year. This is one of the things when you build a good team through the draft, it's impossible to keep and pay everyone. One thing about next year is that's when all the new TV $$$ will hit and the cap could go up by $20M. If Edmunds plays well then we'll re-sign him, probably before the new league year in 2023. If he doesn't we'll let him walk. That's the chance you take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 33 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said: Edmunds is playing out of position. I think he could be a Von Miller type pass rusher. It's clear that he's not a 4-3 MLB. Before they give up on him they should let him rush the passer from the edge this year. He has the speed and the length and it looks like he has some bend because every time he gets blocked he folds up like a cheap tent The Edmunds Report disagrees with this assessment. In the cases where he rushed the passer, he was singularly ineffective, not registering any pressures. He's right where he should be, a passing lane clogging, coverage LB, with an occasional TFL on running plays. He also brings the wood when he does hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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