HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 (edited) Andy Reid and was all set to sign him as the KC backup QB until he got acquitted. Edited March 11, 2022 by HereComesTheReignAgain 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Just now, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Andy Reid was all set to sign him as a backup QB until he got acquitted. Yer bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: how so? It was a grand jury. Only the public and public employees were present. no money involved It has nothing to do with money. It almost certainly has to do with a lack of 3rd party corroboration. I have been saying for a year that unless there is a lot more that is not in the public domain the evidence we have all seen is insufficient to secure a criminal prosecution. Just now, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Andy Reid was all set to sign him as a backup QB until he got acquitted. Don't worry he has found Henry Ruggs' number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 Should have been a class action lawsuit, with so many involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: But McDaniel has already given Tua a promise ring He might as well be saying goodbye. If Miami wants him even remotely this is where Watson wants to be this is where he's going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: It's got to be Seattle right? Seattle, Pittsburgh, Indy? others Vegas, AZ w/the Murray stuff, Cleveland w/the Baker looming extension, Baltimore w/the Lamar looming extension, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dopey said: Should have been a class action lawsuit, with so many involved. How does a criminal lawsuit brought by the state get brought as a class action? I do not profess to be an expert in US criminal law but I don't see how that is possible. The only parties in a criminal case are the defendant and the state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 1 hour ago, IronMaidenBills said: Well the court of public opinion doesn’t mean anything at the end of the day. The only thing that matters is legal decisions and team owners. Owners have penalized players even though they won in legal courts. it is easier to punish players when they were also convicted in legal courts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: How does a criminal lawsuit brought by the state get brought as a class action? I do not profess to be an expert in US criminal law but I don't see how that is possible. The only parties in a criminal case are the defendant and the state. It was a joke, but I was referring to the 22 women who were suing him. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chron.com/sports/texans/amp/22-women-lawsuits-Texans-Deshaun-Watson-named-16104043.php https://www.classaction.org/learn/how-to-start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Just now, Dopey said: It was a joke, but I was referring to the 22 women who were suing him. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chron.com/sports/texans/amp/22-women-lawsuits-Texans-Deshaun-Watson-named-16104043.php https://www.classaction.org/learn/how-to-start Yes I know what a class action is. I advise the UK government on civil and administrative law. I was questioning how it works in criminal prosecutions. It can work in some quasi criminal administrative proceedings - the typical one being health and safety at work disputes. But in a classic criminal case a class action is impossible. The 22 would be witnesses, not parties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Panthers bucs or saints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Augie said: The funny thing is, something creepy happened, of that I’m sure. What it was exactly, I really don’t think I want to know. At the very least we know he was constantly seeking out new massage therapists on Instagram. That isn't normal for professional athletes, most of them like to stick to a professional they have used before. It's clear to me at least that Watson was looking for thrills. But the jump from that to criminal charges is large and nearly impossible to prove. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Blainorama5 said: Colin Kaepernick would probably disagree with that statement. The NFL is a perception-heavy league - internally and externally. or skipping a tryout and having about 1/1000th of Watson’s talent. Tampa makes the most sense for him. But do they have the cap space? Seattle is interesting, with all those draft picks then getting possibly a QB upgrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 30 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said: Between toes and this, you're downright 'straight razor totin' nasty' the past couple of days! 😁 Lock down crazy. The Ottawa convoy protests were in our neighborhood. We had to get through police checkpoints to get to our place. Then the horns ran all night and helicopters circled overhead during the day. On top of that it's been minus 25 Celsius most of the new year. I also had omicron for most of January. So yeah. Cabin fever has taken hold. Good news is I retire at the end of the month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yes I know what a class action is. I advise the UK government on civil and administrative law. I was questioning how it works in criminal prosecutions. It can work in some quasi criminal administrative proceedings - the typical one being health and safety at work disputes. But in a classic criminal case a class action is impossible. The 22 would be witnesses, not parties. Again, JOKE. Good thing I don't make a living being a stand up comedian. You would have heckled me. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: I think he can just settle the civil suits Yep…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, stuvian said: Lock down crazy. The Ottawa convoy protests were in our neighborhood. We had to get through police checkpoints to get to our place. Then the horns ran all night and helicopters circled overhead during the day. On top of that it's been minus 25 Celsius most of the new year. I also had omicron for most of January. So yeah. Cabin fever has taken hold. Good news is I retire at the end of the month. Good to hear the BS is over, and retirement is soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: It has nothing to do with money. It almost certainly has to do with a lack of 3rd party corroboration. I have been saying for a year that unless there is a lot more that is not in the public domain the evidence we have all seen is insufficient to secure a criminal prosecution. Don't worry he has found Henry Ruggs' number. yeah the “rich guy gets off” and “ Monet talks” are really lazy takes here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 hours ago, SCBills said: Carolina makes all the sense in the world. Low key media market. Only two hours from Clemson and four hours from his hometown Unless Lovie Smith pounds the table for him to stay in Houston. Carolina would make sense yet would Houston be dumb enough to take on Darnold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 3 hours ago, njbuff said: He wouldn’t wave it to go to them? Or he won’t? Or can’t? Wait.. he is waving it around again already? Dude just got outta court 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 3 hours ago, DapperCam said: I thought that you could indict a ham sandwich? Hey man! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Blitz said: He might as well be saying goodbye. If Miami wants him even remotely this is where Watson wants to be this is where he's going. I can't see him in Miami after the Flores fiasco. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: I can't see him in Miami after the Flores fiasco. It was rumored he still wants to go to Miami regardless of Flores no longer being with the team Edited March 12, 2022 by BuffaloBills1998 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) He's going to have to settle all the civil suits to make this all go away. It could be 2M per hand*** but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do Edited March 12, 2022 by JakeFrommStateFarm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) The timing of it all was really weird. Watson was vocal about leaving the Texans and all of a sudden all these women came crawling out of hiding to prosecute him? Hmm. Watson definitely is no angel, but did he rape those women or force them to do anything against their will ala R Kelly? Guess we’ll never know but I have my doubts. I’m sure they were all well paid after their “massage sessions” as well. Edited March 12, 2022 by JayBaller10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrPJax Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 2 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Well the court of public opinion doesn’t mean anything at the end of the day. The only thing that matters is legal decisions and team owners. And OJ was also found not guilty. Sorry but this is a narcissist with so many complaints , and I will hold off wishing to see him play again until he is cleared in all civil suits. This is not normal behavior , how many people have had this many complaints filed against them ; how many people in your life do you know with even one suit like this against them? Just because it’s a he said / she said case is no reason to excuse this pattern of behavior as ok because they dropped criminal charges. If it was a single case , I would totally be understanding. Not all those women coming forward are motivated by money and wish to put themselves thru all this scrutiny. Why does a guy have so many masseuses when most pros have their own personal team of people they surround themselves with, let alone most teams also employ people for these services yet he had to have his massages outside of team facilities? Hmmmm. Just the fact that he kept moving on to so many different women ( also why haven’t we heard of any males he hired for massage? Seems unusual again as there are many male trainers and masseuses around NFL teams) suggests something unusual was going on. Hard to believe so many women would be outright lying as opposed to just this one male; doesn’t pass the sniff test or common sense approach. Our legal system is terrible, and I have seen many unbelievable things while testifying in malpractice cases as an expert ( facts get twisted or ignored and evidence can be disallowed etc) and even in contract disputes from a business standpoint where corporations or individuals with money work the system against those who can’t afford to hire high paid representation, so all I am saying is where there is smoke etc! I a sure the high morality NFL will have a place for this guy and he will continue to be enabled because of his ability to play football. Just for a comparison , I wonder how many women Josh goes to for massage and how many suits will be filed against him for this type of behavior ? Yeah , I am betting it never happens because his pattern of behavior is the antithesis of this guy. Good luck to the franchise getting him because behavior is a hard thing to change and good luck with the chance this never happens again. Patterns mean something and that’s why history is an important learning tool in behavioral science. I am sure he will settle, of course , because he can afford to , not because he wants to prove his complete innocence, and the NFL will embrace him like he did nothing ( however they did suspend him for a year so again they must have felt some justification legally to do so ). The court of “ public” opinion may mean a lot more in civil court since it’s members will be deciding things unless all cases are settled. Hey , the NFL has creeps like Snyder as owners, so one more at QB will just continue the status quo. Behavior matters, not statements or legal loopholes. I do understand your point and this was not meant to In any way attack you ; I am just saying our legal system is a mess ( people are not being charged caught walking out of places stealing things while all was seen on camera and assaulting people without being charged etc , so not a great period for our courts ), so a millionaire getting off without criminal charges is not very surprising in todays legal climate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 My guess is Carolina. But Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Seattle, & Pittsburgh all make a lot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saint Doug Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 54 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: He's going to have to settle all the civil suits to make this all go away. It could be 2M per hand*** but a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do He may be working for free next year. With the number of girls and lawyers knowing what he’ll make, he’d be lucky it’s just 1 year salary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: It was rumored he still wants to go to Miami regardless of Flores no longer being with the team Doesn’t matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 4 hours ago, transient said: Git’r done Beane!! 🤪 If we got him it will be by the usual route.....Carolina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) Not surprising with little to no evidence. "It's not what you know, it's what you can prove." Edited March 12, 2022 by Chicken Boo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 6 hours ago, IronMaidenBills said: Well the court of public opinion doesn’t mean anything at the end of the day. The only thing that matters is legal decisions and team owners. Are you kidding? The public are the ones who buy or don't buy tickets. That is huge to the owners. Huge. He'll play, but this will affect who will be willing to take him, how much he'll get paid .... It'll be part of his public image for the rest of his life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Are you kidding? The public are the ones who buy or don't buy tickets. That is huge to the owners. Huge. He'll play, but this will affect who will be willing to take him, how much he'll get paid .... It'll be part of his public image for the rest of his life. People still watch the NFL and go to the games with other more shady characters that are currently employed. I sincerely doubt Watson is going to be what keeps ticket sales down. I mean after all, you are talking about modern day gladiator viewership. People in Rome watched murderers fight to the death for entertainment. Not that much big of a difference to be honest. Edited March 12, 2022 by IronMaidenBills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 3 hours ago, DrPJax said: And OJ was also found not guilty. Sorry but this is a narcissist with so many complaints , and I will hold off wishing to see him play again until he is cleared in all civil suits. This is not normal behavior , how many people have had this many complaints filed against them ; how many people in your life do you know with even one suit like this against them? Just because it’s a he said / she said case is no reason to excuse this pattern of behavior as ok because they dropped criminal charges. If it was a single case , I would totally be understanding. Not all those women coming forward are motivated by money and wish to put themselves thru all this scrutiny. Why does a guy have so many masseuses when most pros have their own personal team of people they surround themselves with, let alone most teams also employ people for these services yet he had to have his massages outside of team facilities? Hmmmm. Just the fact that he kept moving on to so many different women ( also why haven’t we heard of any males he hired for massage? Seems unusual again as there are many male trainers and masseuses around NFL teams) suggests something unusual was going on. Hard to believe so many women would be outright lying as opposed to just this one male; doesn’t pass the sniff test or common sense approach. Our legal system is terrible, and I have seen many unbelievable things while testifying in malpractice cases as an expert ( facts get twisted or ignored and evidence can be disallowed etc) and even in contract disputes from a business standpoint where corporations or individuals with money work the system against those who can’t afford to hire high paid representation, so all I am saying is where there is smoke etc! I a sure the high morality NFL will have a place for this guy and he will continue to be enabled because of his ability to play football. Just for a comparison , I wonder how many women Josh goes to for massage and how many suits will be filed against him for this type of behavior ? Yeah , I am betting it never happens because his pattern of behavior is the antithesis of this guy. Good luck to the franchise getting him because behavior is a hard thing to change and good luck with the chance this never happens again. Patterns mean something and that’s why history is an important learning tool in behavioral science. I am sure he will settle, of course , because he can afford to , not because he wants to prove his complete innocence, and the NFL will embrace him like he did nothing ( however they did suspend him for a year so again they must have felt some justification legally to do so ). The court of “ public” opinion may mean a lot more in civil court since it’s members will be deciding things unless all cases are settled. Hey , the NFL has creeps like Snyder as owners, so one more at QB will just continue the status quo. Behavior matters, not statements or legal loopholes. I do understand your point and this was not meant to In any way attack you ; I am just saying our legal system is a mess ( people are not being charged caught walking out of places stealing things while all was seen on camera and assaulting people without being charged etc , so not a great period for our courts ), so a millionaire getting off without criminal charges is not very surprising in todays legal climate. Yeah, he'd be nuts not to settle. And yet if he'd been operating in his own best interest, he'd have done so long since. He can't want these women to testify in open court. Some of them will be very believable. If he's smart, he'll settle and do it soon. But again, he hasn't been operating in his own best interests so far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: People still watch the NFL and go to the games with other more shady characters that are currently employed. I sincerely doubt Watson is going to be what keeps ticket sales down. I mean after all, you are talking about modern day gladiator viewership. People in Rome watched murderers fight to the death for entertainment. Not that much big of a difference to be honest. Doubt away. It will depress demand. It will have negative repercussions for the team. Some will be willing to deal with that. But there will absolutely be problems. Will everyone stay away? No, of course not. Will some? Without question. Will the core fans of the team? Probably very few. But teams don't want to appeal only to those who are already core fans. Will this cause publicity problems for the team that picks him up? Possibly for many years? Yeah, absolutely. Will signing Watson also have positive effects? Sure, in the on-the-field product. It'll go both ways, but there will absolutely be negative effects. He'll have a chance to reform his image gradually over the years. I hope he does so. But this will affect him forever. And it will also affect the image of the team that brings him in. It won't destroy it or anything close, but it will affect the relationship with the community for years. Edited March 12, 2022 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 He's still got to be suspended at least 4 - 8 games by the league right? 3 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: The timing of it all was really weird. Watson was vocal about leaving the Texans and all of a sudden all these women came crawling out of hiding to prosecute him? Hmm. He wanted out of Houston so bad because he knew he had burned so many bridges around town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said: Doubt away. It will depress demand. It will have negative repercussions for the team. Some will be willing to deal with that. But there will absolutely be problems. Will everyone stay away? No, of course not. Will some? Without question. Will the core fans of the team? Probably very few. But teams don't want to appeal only to those who are already core fans. Will this cause publicity problems for the team that picks him up? Possibly for many years? Yeah, absolutely. He'll have a chance to reform his image gradually over the years. I hope he does so. But this will affect him forever. And it will also affect the image of the team that brings him in. It won't destroy it or anything close, but it will affect the relationship with the community for years. We have players in the league that have actually been convicted of domestic violence and other violent crimes. We had a team with such behavior similar to Watson, cough Pittsburgh. The league is making more money now then they ever have even with questionable characters. Nobody and I mean nobody is concerned about this in the NFL circle as long as no legal issues exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 I heard he's going to Seattle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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