ToGoGo Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 hours ago, T master said: Hey a Boss has to be a boss sometimes & in todays very sensitive world in which we live does this really surprise any one that there is a few people that could be whining because they have their boss telling them to get off their a** & do their job or change how they are doing it to what he wants ? I think not & i'd say given the way the team has been going keep up the good work McD & let the wimps fall to the way side & go work for someone else ! If you don't like the heat get out of the kitchen !! Thank you. I trust nobody more than McDermott to call out the hanger-ons. My guess is he had some very true words for a lot of people after the Chiefs debacle. That's when these leaks started happening. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Cray51 said: I read the article from Dunne - it screams of little child syndrome more than anything. McD took accountability for the choke job in the playoffs several times both immediately after and weeks after the game. What more accountability does someone realistically expect? Do we want him to go second by second pointing fingers at everyone/anyone who may have played a part in the breakdown? Let's live in reality here. When you write lines like "You can't clap your way through this loss" I dont really know how you can be taken seriously. It's fandom writing and not journalism. Yeah that was the point where I was like "Oh this is one of those." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said: https://www.golongtd.com/p/it-was-a-bad-bad-situation?s=r “You preach accountability,” one player said. “But you don’t practice it.” 53 players, 53 opinions. And McD publicly takes accountability for everything. I've never heard him deflect and say, "It's not me. I'm doing a great job. It's my stupid players and idiot assistants who cost us the game." He might not have publicly said he screwed up the call. And maybe he didn't. We just don't know because nobody's really talking about it. But he has always taken accountability for the final score of every game. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Coaches don't execute plays. .....this is true, but they do execute decisions. They call plays. If the plays put the team in a poor position to succeed then their execution should be criticized. It's not like this is the first or second time he's struggled in a high leverage (playoff) situation. Love everything about McD except this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Dr. K said: One of the quotes in that article cites is a player saying "You don't get over a game like that." Duh. No kidding Sherlock. This quote says nothing about McDermott or anybody else. The writer just sticks it into his innuendo so that in that context it LOOKS LIKE it supports his implications about McDermott. That's what I mean when I say this is written like a 1956 Hollywood Confidential gossip column. It's adolescent BS pretending to be journalism. My thoughts exactly. It takes a very low opinion of your readership to publish this kind of nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 The head coach is the head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Best to avoid this thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 16 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: .....this is true, but they do execute decisions. They call plays. If the plays put the team in a poor position to succeed then their execution should be criticized. It's not like this is the first or second time he's struggled in a high leverage (playoff) situation. Love everything about McD except this. yeah he’s not the best field general, but the Tyler Dunn article also says he never really disused this in the days after the game—even with the players in private. One player was quoted regarding perceptions of responsibility. This guy is no stranger. He knows the Bills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 This team should have been a Super Bowl winner. If this was a communication problem among the staff, it needs to get fixed because this team will be in pressure situations in elimination games for the foreseeable future. I don't know if you can ever take enough responsibility for what in some players minds was blowing their shot at a ring. I am sure it will be discussed and dealt with internally and I don't really care to know the whole story. This team has a strong and diverse player leadership- Morse, Dawkins, Allen, Diggs, Harry, Edmunds, Hyde, Poyer, White, etc. These guys will make it right internally. I love Coach, but there better be vast improvement in strategy and communication when the Bills face a similar situation. Opportunities to win it all in the NFL are narrow and fleeting. The Bills as a whole need to better at grasping the opportunity with confidence and certainty rather than failing to communicate. This scenario should have been one that was played out not just on paper but in preparation and practice. That there were errors borders on being inexcusable. But hey, we are Bills fans-- we are resilient -- this staff won't make the same mistake twice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: My thoughts exactly. It takes a very low opinion of your readership to publish this kind of nonsense. why? If these are the things players are saying, why is it nonsense? Why wouldn’t the readership be interested in hearing this? TD put this article out there because he thinks Bills fans who follow him are dumb? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Has anyone read the whole story by Dunne? Can they give a breakdown? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Tyler Dunne probably spent too much time with Jerry Sullivan. He writes like him. Snarky, looking to create a controversy, outsider looking in and reporting as such. No real substance. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 hours ago, BillsMafi$ said: Same story which has been circulating around to find legs. Been posted several times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: why? If these are the things players are saying, why is it nonsense? Why wouldn’t the readership be interested in hearing this? TD put this article out there because he thinks Bills fans who follow him are dumb? Not to put too fine a point on it, but yes. If your takeaway is that there’s some festering player ill will toward McDermott because of the one quote this article managed to drag out, that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Not to put too fine a point on it, but yes. If your takeaway is that there’s some festering player ill will toward McDermott because of the one quote this article managed to drag out, that is. Takeaway? It’s the subject of the article. It doesn’t claim all players have voiced displeasure in the way the aftermath of the game was handled internally. So only a reader of lower intellect would believe what Dunne is reporting (as is Josh Reed, separately)? That’s an interesting interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Does anyone else find stories that are completely based on anonymous quotes really annoying? You can say anything that you want, and simply state that you have sources that didn't want to be named. That's where a reporter's credibility comes in question. Anonymous sources are critical in reporting and many important stories were broke with anonymous sources. Then again, you can fling a lot of garbage that way. So how much do you trust the writer? Does he/she have a record of solid work or throwing bombs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) Off-season drama for TBD! Edited March 4, 2022 by YoloinOhio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 I'd rather have McDermott's version of friction coaching this team than Urban Meyer's version down at the chophouse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: Coaches don't execute plays. They do execute play calls and gameplans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 21 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: That's where a reporter's credibility comes in question. Anonymous sources are critical in reporting and many important stories were broke with anonymous sources. Then again, you can fling a lot of garbage that way. So how much do you trust the writer? Does he/she have a record of solid work or throwing bombs? Dunne is known to members of this board. "Josh Reed is a Murrow and Emmy Award winning journalist...and Sports Director" of Buffalo News 4 since 2015. A real flame thrower there. As he just put it: "Some of y’all are funny. You want reporters to give you insight on your team… unless you disagree with it" and " It’s a tweet not a web story. Don’t fans want to hear what we’re being told I credible sources?" Apparently the answer is no for many here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Can someone let me know if this is worth $8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 I don't know what people want from McD. He's taking the highroad. Having been the boss...you do not ever publicly call out your staff. He has taken responsibility without going into specifics because that is what a good CEO does. Those 13 seconds happened on McD's watch. He knows that. Changes are made quietly and behind the scenes. Farwell's contract was not renewed, and he moved on. I think that tells us a lot. I also think Levi Wallace moving on will be a good thing. He gave up the huge completion to Kelce leading to the FG. The season is over. There is no do-over. The team is moving on. The fans need to as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 43 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Takeaway? It’s the subject of the article. It doesn’t claim all players have voiced displeasure in the way the aftermath of the game was handled internally. So only a reader of lower intellect would believe what Dunne is reporting (as is Josh Reed, separately)? That’s an interesting interpretation. Take it however you want… if I had an axe to grind but lacked the source material to make it convincing this is exactly the article I would write. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Good. This actually makes me like McDermott more. Hes not there to make friends or have people like him, he’s got a job to and isnt afraid to ruffle feathers. Good on him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 8 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Good. This actually makes me like McDermott more. Hes not there to make friends or have people like him, he’s got a job to and isnt afraid to ruffle feathers. Good on him Accept they're mad because his decisions cost them a playoff win. No one is perfect but it was a major error by McDermott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Accept they're mad because his decisions cost them a playoff win. No one is perfect but it was a major error by McDermott. Maybe I missed it, but what specifically? Because he's the head coach and ultimately takes responsibility? Or did he call for the touchback and the defensive calls on the last 2 plays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Take it however you want… if I had an axe to grind but lacked the source material to make it convincing this is exactly the article I would write. So the Channel 4 Sports guy has an axe to grind? He has no source material (meaning he's lying about his "credible sources")? Why would you chose to believe he's making this all up to start some beef or axe grinding? How would someone conclude that a respected local reporter with obvious connections to the Bills is putting out fake stories? 19 minutes ago, uticaclub said: Good. This actually makes me like McDermott more. Hes not there to make friends or have people like him, he’s got a job to and isnt afraid to ruffle feathers. Good on him He's there to win AFCC games, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said: yeah he’s not the best field general, but the Tyler Dunn article also says he never really disused this in the days after the game—even with the players in private. One player was quoted regarding perceptions of responsibility. This guy is no stranger. He knows the Bills Then he needs to swallow a little of his pride and level with his players. They will respect him for it. You can't allow this epic mistake(s) to just fester. Part of the process is being honest with your players, well beyond a vague cliche. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 36 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Except some players on his team essentially think he’s full of ***** per the article… as someone already mentioned, we will find out how that last 13 second botch job from McD affect the team early next season. I saw one quote from a player. And usually without context these quotes are made out to be way more than they really are. One player asking about practicing accountability is not “some players think he is full of *****” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: So the Channel 4 Sports guy has an axe to grind? He has no source material (meaning he's lying about his "credible sources")? Why would you chose to believe he's making this all up to start some beef or axe grinding? How would someone conclude that a respected local reporter with obvious connections to the Bills is putting out fake stories? He's there to win AFCC games, at least. Its probably a BS story, who doesnt get mad at their boss and what boss doesnt get mad at their employees when a company has a bad quarter. The end of season sucked, but sometimes there is no lesson to failing, you juat fail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: So the Channel 4 Sports guy has an axe to grind? He has no source material (meaning he's lying about his "credible sources")? Why would you chose to believe he's making this all up to start some beef or axe grinding? How would someone conclude that a respected local reporter with obvious connections to the Bills is putting out fake stories? He's there to win AFCC games, at least. The space between ‘fake stories’ and sensationalism and innuendo is where these types of articles live because unsophisticated audiences eat it up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 I’m sure the story is accurate. And I’m also sure having a bit of friction is not abnormal whatsoever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 12 minutes ago, Doc said: Maybe I missed it, but what specifically? Because he's the head coach and ultimately takes responsibility? Or did he call for the touchback and the defensive calls on the last 2 plays? Sources say he overruled the special teams coach and told Bass to kick deep. The 2 defensive calls I always believed were on McDermott. He called timeout to set them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Pats trying to create doubt at OBD but we don't buy the bull####. Russian disinformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 McKenzie is the leak. He should be executed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: McKenzie is the leak. He should be executed Agreed it's McKenzie. This must be why McDermott keeps talking about execution every time he's asked about it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 49 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Can someone let me know if this is worth $8 This is how the Tweet ended. Literally no one has said what is "Here's what happened....." details. I don't know if it's worth buying or not. Details and context matter to me and I choose to not make judgements without them. The assumption was always that Coach McDermott was withholding any public trashing of a player or coach to save their reputation while taking a "the buck stops here" public mantra. But, it could have been a situation where he was more directly responsible for what happened. I'd believe it if Bass was never told and Milano lined up wrong or did not react correctly at the snap. He is not in any position to help on Kelce and is looking in the wrong direction. That seems like a mistake to me and I doubt they teach it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: McKenzie is the leak. He should be executed Ty and Dirty do a podcast together. https://www.wgrz.com/article/features/buffalo-bills-player-launches-first-episode-of-podcast-wide-reciver-mafia-filming-food-eat/71-be9c138d-1778-4fc2-8862-cf02394d15f4 Edited March 4, 2022 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ga boy Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, JoeF said: This team should have been a Super Bowl winner. If this was a communication problem among the staff, it needs to get fixed because this team will be in pressure situations in elimination games for the foreseeable future. I don't know if you can ever take enough responsibility for what in some players minds was blowing their shot at a ring. I am sure it will be discussed and dealt with internally and I don't really care to know the whole story. This team has a strong and diverse player leadership- Morse, Dawkins, Allen, Diggs, Harry, Edmunds, Hyde, Poyer, White, etc. These guys will make it right internally. I love Coach, but there better be vast improvement in strategy and communication when the Bills face a similar situation. Opportunities to win it all in the NFL are narrow and fleeting. The Bills as a whole need to better at grasping the opportunity with confidence and certainty rather than failing to communicate. This scenario should have been one that was played out not just on paper but in preparation and practice. That there were errors borders on being inexcusable. But hey, we are Bills fans-- we are resilient -- this staff won't make the same mistake twice. My impressions about Coach are very favorable. He seems to be fair and no-nonsense, and his strong sense of accountability is balanced with letting his OC and DC implement their styles. I think Daboll has been a big part of our success, even though Coach probably did some second guessing. However, if he is really a "my way or the highway", then the his shelf life might be something to question. The GOAT coach embraces the "my way or the highway" and made it work, but that kind of leadership usually comes up wanting in every organization. You can get away with it when things are going good, but not otherwise usually. Edited March 4, 2022 by Ga boy "my way or the highway" leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Cray51 said: I read the article from Dunne - it screams of little child syndrome more than anything. McD took accountability for the choke job in the playoffs several times both immediately after and weeks after the game. What more accountability does someone realistically expect? Do we want him to go second by second pointing fingers at everyone/anyone who may have played a part in the breakdown? Let's live in reality here. When you write lines like "You can't clap your way through this loss" I dont really know how you can be taken seriously. It's fandom writing and not journalism. Dunne seems to have a hard-on for hating McDermott. He rips on him every chance it gets... it's kind of weird. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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