KingBoots8 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) So, we obviously have a few needs to address like lost teams in the draft. With where we are picking, it’ll likely be the 3rd or 4th best player in their respective position in Round 1. We have a few players on Defense who were early picks and have been rotational in our system, which I am fine with as they get acclimated to the NFL. That being said, Punter is a definite need for this team. Haack certainly had some ugly punts this year, and while I don’t think we will or should address punter in round 1, it does beg the question on where we could potentially select him. This isn’t just some kid with a decent leg- he’s the holder of multiple NCAA record and has an average of over 50 yards per punt. He’s a legitimate generational talent at his position, and could significantly help the special teams in pinning back our opponents. If we were to go for him, what round do you feel comfortable taking him, and so you think he will last that long? I’d be totally fine in round 4 if he lasts that long, or moving a few late rounders to get back into the end of round 3 Edited March 3, 2022 by KingBoots8 3 2 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I’m not against drafting a punter But not as early as the fourth round draft a different one 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted March 3, 2022 Author Share Posted March 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I’m not against drafting a punter But not as early as the fourth round draft a different one Normally I would agree, but for an immediate impact player I would absolutely do it. Day 1 starter. I’d rather have him than a potential PS player waiting to make a start 3/4 of the way into the season 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 If he truly is that impactful, I would go the 3rd. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I would not use a 3rd or 4th round pick on a punter...particularly since the Bills don't punt very often in most games. 3 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 If they are sold on him being a generational player I would say round 2. May sound crazy but if he is that good the one pick could make a big change in the field position battle every week. As a punter the transition to the NFL should be one of the easiest. That is hard to say about any other position. I dont know the guy at all but would expect him to have more than a strong leg. He would need to drop the ball inside the 20 every time. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Can he hold for FGs though? Not joking as he was also a PK so has no experience holding i wouldn’t be opposed to spending our late 5th on him but nothing earlier. I can’t remember his name but there’s a 2nd elite punter in this years draft class, some rankings have him higher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Turbo44 said: Can he hold for FGs though? Not joking as he was also a PK so has no experience holding i wouldn’t be opposed to spending our late 5th on him but nothing earlier. I can’t remember his name but there’s a 2nd elite punter in this years draft class, some rankings have him higher But value added as a backup kicker. Maybe see if he can hold at a pro-day workout. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Bills had a top ranked D despite a mediocre at best punter. Plus a dynamic Offense. This combo makes the Punter less valuable. Let the crappy teams blow capital on a Punter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverboat Ritchie Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceSlayne Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Trade for that Bojorquez kid up in Green Bay I heard he is pretty good 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubbaT Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 If he doesn’t hold he isn’t going to be a Bills punter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyNoodles Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 IMO 6th round is the earliest you look at punters/kickers unless you’re the Raiders. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 He’s not as good as people make him out to be. Stout from Penn State and the Georgia punter are also great options and won’t take a 3rd rounder to get him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Bills had a top ranked D despite a mediocre at best punter. Plus a dynamic Offense. This combo makes the Punter less valuable. Let the crappy teams blow capital on a Punter. this would benefit the D, which to be honest obtained its rankings against a crop of average QBs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) I would be extremely disappointed to see the Bills use anything higher than a 6th round pick on a punter. There were multiple games where the Bills punter only got on the field to hold for FGs. Edited March 3, 2022 by HereComesTheReignAgain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, jkeerie said: I would not use a 3rd or 4th round pick on a punter...particularly since the Bills don't punt very often in most games. We basically lost the Steeler game because of Haack. And in week 17 Haack had punts of 28, 22 & 7, while the Jets punter averaged 50 yards. This Araiza kid is supposed to be pretty amazing. I realize you can use the argument that our offense is so good, do we really need a great punter? A 4th might be a little rich but if he's there in the early 5th, I'd grab him. We're moving on from Haack and you can train Araiza to hold Bass's kicks. If Bass got hurt, Araiza can also kick fgs. Edited March 3, 2022 by LABILLBACKER 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 6 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: I would be extremely disappointed to see the Bills use anything higher than a 6th round pick on a punter. There were multiple games where the Bills punter only got on the field to hold for FGs. There was a reason for this. And it wasn’t just about Josh Allen skills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 I want to see him punt an NFL ball. One of the slick, unprepared, properly inflated balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: this would benefit the D, which to be honest obtained its rankings against a crop of average QBs. Punter won’t change anything 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Punter won’t change anything better field position, offense has to drive longer to score. Gives the D, esp the playmaking secondary more time to make a play. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: We basically lost the Steeler game because of Haack. And in week 17 Haack had punts of 28, 22 & 7, while the Jets punter averaged 50 yards. This Araiza kid is supposed to be pretty amazing. I realize you can use the argument that our offense is so good, do we really need a great punter? A 4th might be a little rich but if he's there in the early 5th, I'd grab him. We're moving on from Haack and you can train Araiza to hold Bass's kicks. If Bass got hurt, Araiza can also kick fgs. Oh I agree we need a solid punter. I just wouldn't draft one with a midround pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Take a punter in round 6 or 7. There will be good ones available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Draft 3 punters and let them battle it out in training camp....competition is a good thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 16 minutes ago, jkeerie said: Oh I agree we need a solid punter. I just wouldn't draft one with a midround pick. How many 5th round picks actually even make the team. This guy could be a 10 year Moorman type investment. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbo44 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 GA guy might be the better prospect. Do what we did with our PK, invest one of our 6’s in a punter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) I'm willing to separate with up to a 5th IFFFF Beane is convinced he'd be a 10-15yr guy of winning field position. We easily could've lost 2 to 3 games based on punting. A 5th is a lotto pick, nice to have but I'll take the sure thing if it's there. If we need the extra pick we can always find a way to get it back, but it's house $ when you have a roster this well built Edited March 3, 2022 by BillsShredder83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 12 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: How many 5th round picks actually even make the team. This guy could be a 10 year Moorman type investment. Actually Beane has done well in the 5th round...Matt Milano, Siran Neal, Wyatt Teller, Tommy Doyle. He got Bass in the 6th. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 There's a supposed "generational punter" in every draft. No thanks. A 6th or a 7th on a punter, sure. People are projecting this guy to get drafted as high as the 4th. That's insane. Any team that drafts a punter in the 4th round deserves to see him utilized as much as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Punter? HELL NO. Offense and more offense. Go for it on every 4th. No punts 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeam Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Thank you for sharing. First time exposed to that prospect, and what a talent he is. He has an absolute canon of a leg, can kick fieldgoals, can tackle and wait for it... he's left footed! Wow! That being said, I'm in agreement with some posters here that I would not want to draft a punter/kicker before the 6th round. Especially in this draft, since it's so deep, given so many players electing to stay an extra year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, KingBoots8 said: So, we obviously have a few needs to address like lost teams in the draft. With where we are picking, it’ll likely be the 3rd or 4th best player in their respective position in Round 1. We have a few players on Defense who were early picks and have been rotational in our system, which I am fine with as they get acclimated to the NFL. That being said, Punter is a definite need for this team. Haack certainly had some ugly punts this year, and while I don’t think we will or should address punter in round 1, it does beg the question on where we could potentially select him. This isn’t just some kid with a decent leg- he’s the holder of multiple NCAA record and has an average of over 50 yards per punt. He’s a legitimate generational talent at his position, and could significantly help the special teams in pinning back our opponents. If we were to go for him, what round do you feel comfortable taking him, and so you think he will last that long? I’d be totally fine in round 4 if he lasts that long, or moving a few late rounders to get back into the end of round 3 Hows the field goal kicker(s) done there at his school? To me holding is just as important, infact maybe even more important than the punting part of the job. IMO there are more missed field goals every year than there are punts returned for TD's or even longer than 30 yard returns. With the Bills as prolific as their offense is, to me the holding part again trumps the punting part of the job. Admittedly for a college punter holding is likely a difficult thing to evaluate as he may have held for 3 different kickers, some of which may not have been very good. So was it him or the kicker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, JimmyNoodles said: IMO 6th round is the earliest you look at punters/kickers unless you’re the Raiders. Buffalo selecting non-football player TJ Graham 69th overall and Jacksonville selecting punter Bryan Anger 70th...........with Russell Wilson still on the board(he went 75th).........might be the dumbest consecutive draft picks in NFL history. Edited March 3, 2022 by BADOLBILZ 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapeBreton Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Riverboat Ritchie said: What kind of freak is this guy? There were a few punts in there that were jaw dropping. I like that he can kick field goals too, would be nice to have in a pinch. We played Carolina this year and their kicker got injured in warmup and they had nobody that could even attempt a field goal. Haack is going to be cut, I’d be happy with guy in round 5 if we don’t sign anyone else in free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Buffalo selecting non-football player TJ Graham 69th overall and Jacksonville selecting punter Bryan Anger 70th...........with Russell Wilson still on the board(he went 75th).........might be the dumbest consecutive draft picks in NFL history. At least Anger is still in the league…I think he actually had a really good season too…more than we can say for TJ… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 minutes ago, mannc said: At least Anger is still in the league…I think he actually had a really good season too…more than we can say for TJ… I should HOPE that a punter picked in the 3rd round is still in the league..........even if he's with his 4th or 5th team. Just an utterly idiotic series of draft picks............picking a punter in the 3rd round is effectively punting that pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 3 hours ago, jkeerie said: Actually Beane has done well in the 5th round...Matt Milano, Siran Neal, Wyatt Teller, Tommy Doyle. He got Bass in the 6th. Well this guy won't be around in the 6th so you either do it or you don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 Kid is a great athlete for a punter. He's fast like Moorman and could be a weapon via fakes. He kicks it an absolute mile. And he can kick field goals in a pinch should something ever happen to Bass. I'd be willing to use a 4th on him if that's the way our board falls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 4 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: How many 5th round picks actually even make the team. This guy could be a 10 year Moorman type investment. Yeah, a 5th is about where I would start thinking about it. If we miss him because he goes between our 4th and 5th round picks, I shrug my shoulders and get a punter somewhere else. Yeah, Haack was bad. Doesn't make it reasonable to pretend it's Araiza vs. Haack. Haack won't be here next year and there are a hell of a lot of other options than Araiza to replace him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 3, 2022 Share Posted March 3, 2022 6 hours ago, KingBoots8 said: I’d be totally fine in round 4 if he lasts that long, or moving a few late rounders to get back into the end of round 3 We've only had two 4th round picks in the last four years. They are Gabriel Davis and Taron Johnson, two guys who will be important roster members for years. No way do I use a 4th. 6 hours ago, KingBoots8 said: Normally I would agree, but for an immediate impact player I would absolutely do it. Day 1 starter. I’d rather have him than a potential PS player waiting to make a start 3/4 of the way into the season No reason whatsoever to think that a 4th rounder would be "a potential PS player waiting to make a start 3/4 of the way into the season." Taron Johnson saw 405 snaps his rookie year. He had 45 snaps and a pass defensed in week 3, 70 snaps a forced fumble and a QB hit in week 4, an INT in week 5 ... Davis by "3/4 of the way into the season his rookie year" had 5 TDs, more than 400 yards and almost 30 catches. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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