Kyler Murray’s PR Statement

[SirAndrew]

3 hours ago, Doc said:

Murray deserves some blame, but I posted KK's record as a coach and it's pretty bad in the second half of seasons, going all the way back to TT.

I think much of this wouldn’t be said if Kingsbury had any control of his locker room, or the respect of players. He seems lost as an NFL coach. 

[Sierra Foothills]

3 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The top QBs in each of the 3 drafts before him got big $ extentions after 3 years.  

 

I don't think he's being an egomaniac any more than any other QB whose team improved after he got there.  

 

Would you mind identifying the QBs in the 3 drafts before him that got extensions after 3 years?

 

Thank you.

[HappyDays]

They spent a 1st overall pick on a guy who was straddling the line between Football and Something Else. Unsurprisingly this is where that path has led.

[YoloinOhio]

27 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

Would you mind identifying the QBs in the 3 drafts before him that got extensions after 3 years?

 

Thank you.

 

 

[DallasBillsFan1]

Wah, I want my money, WAH!!!

It's the ME generation ... still.

[HurlyBurly51]

Reads like an unqualified college student trying to craft their LinkedIn profile.

[BuffBillsForLife]

42 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Out of those six contracts, only Allen and Mahomes have worked out.  Tannehill ended up on another team (where he finally became good with an actually talented team around him), Goff and Wentz blew up in their teams' faces, and Watson is sitting on his couch.  Where if he's lucky he'll stay.  So I wouldn't be in any big hurry to load up the books with a mega deal for a QB who bombed out of the playoffs.

 

Doing a deal before the 4th year is a sign that you really, truly, absolutely have faith in your franchise QB.  And the Cardinals obviously don't, especially after this stunt.

[Sierra Foothills]

22 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Here are the QBs picked in round one to sign a long-term deal before their 4th NFL season the past decade:



• Josh Allen
• Patrick Mahomes
• Deshaun Watson
• Jared Goff
• Carson Wentz
• Ryan Tannehill

 

Thank you Yolo.

 

I believe the following facts are true. In their first 3 seasons:

• Josh Allen: two playoff appearances including the AFC Championship game in his 3rd year, 1 All Pro and 1 Pro Bowl (both 2020)
• Patrick Mahomes: two playoffs appearances, 2 All Pros, 3 Pro Bowls, MVP in his second year and won the Super Bowl in his 3rd year.
• Deshaun Watson: two playoffs appearances, 3 Pro Bowls, and beat the Bills in the divisional round in his 3rd year.
• Jared Goff: two playoff appearances, 2 Pro Bowls, Super Bowl appearance in his 3rd year.
• Carson Wentz: set multiple NFL records as a rookie and won the NFC East in his 2nd year (Foles led the team to the Super Bowl win after Wentz tore his ACL), All Pro and Pro Bowl in 2017, missed most of his 3rd year to injury.
• Ryan Tannehill: Seriously, WTF combination of drugs was the entire Miami Dolphins organization doing? 
• Kyler Murray: NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year and Pro Bowl alternate as a rookie, Pro Bowl in his 2nd year, Pro Bowl and playoffs (Wild Card) loss in his 3rd Year

I draw the following 4 conclusions:

• It looks to me like Kyler Murray doesn't quite deserve a Year 4 extension.
• They must have some crazy-ass parties on Stephen Ross' yacht
• The Goff and Wentz extensions were widely questioned when they happened.
• The Allen, Mahomes, and Watson extensions were widely seen as justified.

 

[NewEra]

[DrPJax]

10 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

All I’m gonna say is thank god we got Josh Allen.  Can’t believe that they put this Diva statement out lmao.  

 

 

Great choice of words , DIVA, and others that come to mind like immaturity, narcissism,antithesis of leadership, naïveté, and don’t pee on me saying it’s raining! What a self serving piece of total BS, as if he is really worried about his teammates getting what they deserve!  It’s laughable and I bet his teammates havea hard time not laughing behind his back! It’s like a classic LAMP, “ the record is so much better because “I AM YOUR QUARTERBACK” , with no comparable mention to the new coaching staff and multiple other changes they made. If you don’t give me the contract I have written for me ( I bet the team is going thru that manifesto with a black marker redacting and rolling on the floor) , you as a Team obviously are not serious about pursuing a championship!  This is laughing stock type behavior and it’s hard to believe a sane adult didn’t step in and save this clown from himself. Talk about being surrounded by YES men ! 
 

Josh did this in the exact opposite, very professional way. As a result he cane across as a true professional, true leader , and it shows money is important , but not above what he loves most , his career of playing football.  It’s a bit cliche , but Josh is happy to be out there and it comes across as if he would play for free if he had to; you know what I mean, playing football is first and the rest will work out. Not in Kyles world , where if you pay me what I think I DESERVE, then I’ll take my commitment seriously and only then can you hope to win with my vision of the team.  What is with these qbs anymore?  Why do they think they deserve such input that they are  acting like it’s impossible to go on without them?

 

 Hell , even Brady didn’t have that type of influence as the GOAT, yet the Pats still won. This type of stuff fractures team unity , and this is just like giving in to a kidnapper, the demands will never stop.  This is how Antonio Brown antics keep occurring !  Lol !  If I’m an owner , I would have a nice lunch in private, and remind this KID, what reality is, how fortunate he is to be where he is , and he has a contract to live up to.  Do something besides some individual rewards and then  we’ll revisit how valuable you are. Last thing I remember is how bad you got your A kicked in the playoff loss. He may not like hearing thst , but sometimes these guys need to hear the truth and not sugar coated ego boosting crap.  He might even be a better man later growing from being fed some reality. Seeing this type of drivel really keeps adding to the joy of having Josh Allen as the face of the Bills organization. He is a humble superstar who plays with the joy of someone playing a game he loves, and it’s very refreshing from a fan’s perspective. 
 

 

[Malazan]

6 hours ago, Dopey said:

Thanks for saving me the time of presenting these numbers. 👍

 

11 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

I can’t believe I have to do this.  But okay…

 

2019 - 64% 3722 yards 87.4 Rating 5 Wins

 

2020 - 67% 3971 yards 94.3 rating 8 Wins

 

2021 - 69% 3787 yards 100.6 rating 9 wins

(and playoffs)

 

*And please let’s not forget that Murray missed 3 games in 2021 due to injury.  He plays 1 out of 3 and he is a 4K Passer easily maybe even 4.5K If he plays them all*
 

So…all the major numbers have improved, and Arizona as a team has gone from:

 

3-13(1st overall pick) to 5-10 to 8-8 to 9-5(playoffs) under Murray.

 

But you “see” regression.

 

I’m not sure where to go from that.

 

I'm not on the Murray sucks bandwagon and 'regression' is obviously silly, but I do think he's peaked and that peak is.. average.

 

He plays a different style, but he's a Kirk Cousins level QB. Colt McCoy came and had 2 games that were statistically as good as pretty much all of the games Murray played. 

 

Colt McCoy:

79.6% 35/44 2 TD 0 Int

84.6% 22/26 1 TD 0 Int

 

I'm not saying McCoy is as good as Murray, but that offense was competent without him. I don't think he's a perennial top 10 QB before I get to the leadership and motivation questions. When you do, it would scare the hell out of me that this is a actually Mahomes brother or spouse.. not a future Mahomes level QB. 

 

 

Edited March 1, 2022 by Malazan

[pennstate10]

11 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

All I’m gonna say is thank god we got Josh Allen.  Can’t believe that they put this Diva statement out lmao.  

 

 

Agent is an effing moron.

Choses. 
dude can’t even afford a copy of ms word with spellcheck. 

[stuvian]

he needs to fire that agent before he embarrasses himself any further

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

They are actually bringing up pro bowls? Lol. 

[Punching Bag]

4 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

• The Allen, Mahomes, and Watson extensions were widely seen as justified.

 

Watson's extension was widely seen as UNJUSTIFIED

 

 

3 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Agent is an effing moron.

Choses. 
dude can’t even afford a copy of ms word with spellcheck. 

 

or computer with cap-lock key not stuck.

[Doc Brown]

8 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

What a tool, If I’m the owner  I have him benched until the little “B”es contract is expired. 

So you'd pay him 5.4 million to do nothing for a season and then let him walk in free agency getting nothing in return?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

5 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Agent is an effing moron.

Choses. 
dude can’t even afford a copy of ms word with spellcheck. 

Or better yet, be able to proofread himself? 🤨

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

So you'd pay him 5.4 million to do nothing for a season and then let him walk in free agency getting nothing in return?

Depends upon my percentage of the 5.4 million I am getting. 😁

[Jpsredemption]

Congrats Kyler. Your claim to fame is a Hail Mary pass during a non playoff season. 

[ProcessTruster]

I don't think QBs under 6 ft can really get a team to the promised land in today's (or yesterday's) NFL.  They are crazy to pay him IMO.   Just not a believer in little squirt QBs at the NFL level.  

 

They had it with Carson Palmer and just didn't get it done.  

[Bill from NYC]

What an idiotic way to try and create  support. It even appears that he is looking for sympathy. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

8 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

What an idiotic way to try and create  support. It even appears that he is looking for sympathy. 

I think he comes up short...🤔

[DCofNC]

If I were the Cards, Not only would I cut off any talk of an extension early, I’d make him play on the 5th year and then Franchise him twice, then I’d let him walk.

[MrEpsYtown]

14 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

Nobody who has seen Rosen play in the NFL can justify any team sticking with Rosen.  Arizona did one right thing with Rosen-they dumped him before his value went down to nothing and got some picks back, better than most teams have done with their 1st round QB busts.  I'll always give Keim credit for seeing the mistake he made in trading up & drafting Rosen after 1 season.  Most GMs wouldn't have the guts to admit a QB mistake after 1 year.  

 

Edit:  Teams should always be willing to upgrade the QB if they like another QB in the draft.  Look at the 2 NY/NJ teams: The Jets saw enough of Darnold to dump him after 3 seasons-it turned out to be a good move even if Zach Wilson doesn't pan out.  I read a story a few months ago that the Giants loved Herbert, but because they drafted Jones the prior draft they passed on Herbert.  I think if they knew then what they know now, Herbert would have been a Giant-no guts, no glory. 

 

I still remember some around here who wanted to keep Tyrod rather than trade a whole bunch of picks. players for Josh.  

 

My major point here is that they should have drafted Nick Bosa. And then Deebo Samuel in the 2nd, and they could have gotten by with any serviceable quarterback, like SF and Jimmy G. They would likely have a better record if they did not take Murray that year.  

 

And good points. Giants should have totally drafted Herbert and just traded Jones for whatever. Ham sandwich. 

 

Those people who wanted to keep Tyrod also wanted to keep Anthony Lynn for continuity sake. Which is crazy. Why would people want continuity from a crap regime? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

42 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

I think he comes up short...🤔

 

I see what you did there hee hee

14 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

My major point here is that they should have drafted Nick Bosa. And then Deebo Samuel in the 2nd, and they could have gotten by with any serviceable quarterback, like SF and Jimmy G. They would likely have a better record if they did not take Murray that year.  

 

And good points. Giants should have totally drafted Herbert and just traded Jones for whatever. Ham sandwich. 

 

Those people who wanted to keep Tyrod also wanted to keep Anthony Lynn for continuity sake. Which is crazy. Why would people want continuity from a crap regime? 

 

 

Seriously, though, why stop at the Daniel Jones debacle?  The Giants screwed up when they "bet the season" on the Ghost of Eli Manning for a couple years.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

20 hours ago, Process said:

Baker and Lamar accomplished more than Kyler has and played their 4th years without an extension. If I'm the Cardinals I'm letting him hold out if that's what he wants. What a clown.

 

 

 

It's not just that, but Kyler Murray's last game was a total meltdown: 2 picks, the "Fail Murray" etc.  At that point, you would like to see the QB focused on becoming a better player who makes better decisions.

 

Sure, football is a business, but Murray employs PR people and agents.  He'd do himself more favors having the former highlight his plans for improvement in the off season and letting the latter tend to his contract negotiations in private.

[JESSEFEFFER]

I get the sense that Murray does not handle criticism well.  When your team struggles on or off the field, it's great to have leaders that are accountable and can rally their team.  If one of those leaders is not their QB then that's a problem.  QBs that stand up and take the heat whether it was truly their fault or not, buy more team wide credibility.  It is wise to do it.  Fitz did that.  Josh does that.  Kyler?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Pretty good analysis

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/kyler-murrays-agent-pens-bizarre-contract-plea-on-twitter-12920560

 

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Thus far, the results of those monstrous second contracts have been helper skelter at best. There have been six total, since Ryan Tannehill's extension with the Dolphins in May of 2015. They are:

* Ryan Tannehill, MIA (8th overall pick, 2012)
* Jared Goff, LAR (1st overall, 2016)
* Carson Wentz, PHI (2nd overal, 2016)
* Patrick Mahomes, KC (10th overall, 2017)
* Deshaun Watson, HOU (12th overall, 2017)
* Josh Allen, BUF (7th overall, 2018)

Of those six contracts, there are probably just two where the team doesn't have serious buyer's remorse — Mahomes and Allen. The other four, for a variety of different reasons (and with Watson, about as "different' as it gets), have wound up (or, for Watson, are about to wind up) playing for different teams than the ones that signed them to the extensions.

 

Point one: on the internet, ALL CAPS = SCREAMING

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OK, the purpose of this missive from Burkhardt requires little to no analysis — he is doing what all agents do, trying to get his client in the best professional and fiscal position he possibly can. In plain English, he is trying to get Kyler Murray paid. However, this post is so jacked up, in so many ways. Let's examine:

What's with the font, dude?
With Burkhardt's use of a generic, blocky, font in ALL CAPS, I can only assume that either (a) his CAPS LOCK button is stuck on whatever device he typed this from, or (b) he wants us to read this post like it's being read by Stephen A. Smith, SCREAMING EVERY SINGLE WORD! There is no way he thought that sending this out in ALL CAPS is normal, right?

 

Point two:  FACT CHECK = FAIL.  Agent states that Cardinals are the only team to have improved by 3 wins each season in the last 3 seasons.  That's wrong.

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Here are the Cardinals' record improvements over the last three seasons:

2018 to 2019: 3-13 to 5-10-1
2019 to 2020: 6-10-1 to 8-8
2020 to 2021: 8-8 to 11-6

First of all, improving from three wins to five wins is just a two win improvement, so his whole premise is just flat out wrong. Second, in 2021, there was an extra 17th game compared to 2020, and for Arizona that game was a 37-14 win over Cleveland, so even to get to Burkhardt's premise for that two season period, Murray needed an extra game. Third, Murray only started 14 games in 2021, and went 9-5 as the starter. Colt McCoy went 2-1 in the other three games.

 

And, as the article points out, "you have to play for an uber-crappy team just to have the mathematical space to improve that much over three seasons"

 

Then there's the "QB loaded NFC":

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And stop trying to play "theater of the mind" with people you think might be stupid
So, yeah, there's a lot of smoke and mirrors, and flowery subjective sludge in here. For example, Burkhardt labeling the NFC as "QB loaded" is kind of funny, considering all of the young QBs that teams would be climbing over each other to get are in the AFC — Mahomes, Allen, Watson, Justin Herbert, Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson. Yeah, the NFC has some good QBs, but of the two conferences, Murray is definitely NOT in the one that I would call "QB loaded."

 

And last but not least: Spell check!  (choses vs chooses)

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

So you'd pay him 5.4 million to do nothing for a season and then let him walk in free agency getting nothing in return?

Yup, after all, in this exercise, I‘m a multi billionaire, and that money has already been spent. I would punish the little “B”, I wouldn’t even dress him for games, I would just in a sense, disappear him.  It would be no different financially than him being injured and out for the season. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

27 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

I get the sense that Murray does not handle criticism well.  When your team struggles on or off the field, it's great to have leaders that are accountable and can rally their team.  If one of those leaders is not their QB then that's a problem.  QBs that stand up and take the heat whether it was truly their fault or not, buy more team wide credibility.  It is wise to do it.  Fitz did that.  Josh does that.  Kyler?

Having seen some of Josh Allen's examples of accepting responsibility, I'm surprised he didn't accept the blame for Murray's performance in the AZ / LA game. 😁

[Alphadawg7]

20 hours ago, simpleman said:

I personally don't see anything wrong with this. Football is a business. Just like the teams, everyone is in it for the money. He believes in himself and wants to get paid "in-line with the current QB market", he wants job security. I would think everyone here would want to be paid in-line with the current market value for their position, and have job security. And would believe in themselves. Football being a business is not one way. Players have the same self interest that the team owners have. A lot of double standard opinions here.

Rodgers has him beat by a continent as far as arrogance and narcissism. If he is top 10 talent, he should get top 10 talent compensation. He is one hit away from having a sudden end to his career, just like every other NFL QB. Unless you are a GOAT like Brady, you only have a few short years to build up that nest egg for retirement.

What there is nothing wrong with is him and his team desiring to get a long term contract done now.  

 

What there is something totally wrong with all of this is being an entitled diva and without warning scrubbing all references to the team you are under contract with still from your social media accounts causing distractions for the team and then publicly submitting a total LAMP letter to the public that gives off the douche level of something Antonio Brown would do demanding to be paid now.  
 

So yeah, nothing wrong with him wanting the contract now, but how he is going about trying to get it is absolutely stupid and another red flag.  And I promise you it won’t sit well with a lot of people in his locker room.  
 

And this is after there is already a bunch of negative buzz of how poorly he handled the playoff loss as well.  
 

The QB position is the leader out on the field, the guy who gets more credit or blame each week than they usually deserve, and has the biggest spotlight on them.  It’s one thing if a WR like AB takes his baggage to social media, it’s a whole other thing when the face and leader of your team decides to do all this in the public eye.  
 

Kyler and his team made a big mistake with this, and he is getting torched everywhere because of it.  
 

 

[Alphadawg7]

19 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

This is why

 

 

 

Actually, the real reason why is because Kyler started all of this himself by scrubbing all references to the Cardinals from his social media out of nowhere long before that.  Had he not done that, which immediately made everything he was about to do public, then no one would be clamoring for any info on Kyler, his status with the team etc.  

 

But because he did that, its been non stop speculation and people trying to get info on what's going on putting him and his agent under pressure to make an official statement of some sorts to clear up the unknown after those actions.

 

And the Cardinals didn't immediately jump all over a response, they decide to begin negotiating further in the media through their statement to clarify what is going on.  Which was a total mistake.  Now the Cardinals went from weighing doing the extension this year to deciding if they are going to publicly cave to this Kanye West level diva tactics in the media setting a bad look and precedence for the team.

 

The lack of patience and respect they have for the Cardinals given its only his 3rd year is astounding.  

Edited March 1, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Alphadawg7]

16 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

The top QBs in each of the 3 drafts before him got big $ extentions after 3 years.  Kyler is the best QB of 2019 and just wants the trend to continue.  I'm sure after next season Burrow & Herbert will get extensions.  Kyler's problem is he's the best of a bad QB class but still wants to be treated as the other bests in class have been.  I can understand his view even if I don't necessarily think he deserves to be treated like Goff, Wentz (two disasters), Mahomes, Watson & Josh.   

 

I don't think he's being an egomaniac any more than any other QB whose team improved after he got there.  

 

Nothing wrong with wanting to get paid, its how he is going about getting that accomplished is the issue.  Remember he wiped all references and photos of the Cardinals from his social media recently too before all this began.  He is the one that decided to make his unhappiness public, and there was nothing to be unhappy with yet.  They had not submitted a contract extension yet (that was just sent in week and a half ago) and they had not had any counters yet from the FO, even as of now.  Yet, he preemptively decides to make this standoff public with his social media cleanse of everything Cardinals.  Now he is further pressuring and negotiating on social media?  

 

Absolute worst thing he could have done IMHO.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's not just that, but Kyler Murray's last game was a total meltdown: 2 picks, the "Fail Murray" etc.  At that point, you would like to see the QB focused on becoming a better player who makes better decisions.

 

Sure, football is a business, but Murray employs PR people and agents.  He'd do himself more favors having the former highlight his plans for improvement in the off season and letting the latter tend to his contract negotiations in private.

 

Even further, he somehow managed to throw multiple picks in a half speed no contact Pro Bowl as his playoff encore in terms of recent bias.  LMAO how anyone threw multiple picks in that fake game is beyond me.  

[Sierra Foothills]

As long as we're all piling on the little fella, here's more.

 

Dates of contract extensions signings:

 

Deshaun Watson         9/5/20

Jared Goff                   9/3/19

Josh Allen                    8/6/21

Patrick Mahomes        7/6/20

Carson Wentz              6/6/19

Ryan Tannehill             5/18/15

 

Today's Date                3/1/21

 

Apparently Team Kyler is sick and tired of waiting for his extension even though it's very early in the offseason and months before the precedent QBs signed their extensions (again WTF was Miami thinking!!!!!).

[Bferra13]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Pretty good analysis

https://www.houstonpress.com/news/kyler-murrays-agent-pens-bizarre-contract-plea-on-twitter-12920560

 

 

And last but not least: Spell check!  (choses vs chooses)

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, DCofNC said:

If I were the Cards, Not only would I cut off any talk of an extension early, I’d make him play on the 5th year and then Franchise him twice, then I’d let him walk.

If that’s the way you would run your business due to a cringy employee…… you’d fail

[Doc Brown]

3 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

Yup, after all, in this exercise, I‘m a multi billionaire, and that money has already been spent. I would punish the little “B”, I wouldn’t even dress him for games, I would just in a sense, disappear him.  It would be no different financially than him being injured and out for the season. 

Then a qb hungry team signs him for 40 million plus with one less year of wear and tear.  You’d essentially help him.

[Patrick Duffy]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Even further, he somehow managed to throw multiple picks in a half speed no contact Pro Bowl as his playoff encore in terms of recent bias.  LMAO how anyone threw multiple picks in that fake game is beyond me.  

Seriously!?!? Lol, I didn't watch it as usual, but that's about as bad as throwing INT's during 7 on 7 drills...

 

 

[corta765]

On 2/28/2022 at 12:43 PM, T master said:

You know when he was getting ready to come into the NFL draft & playing his hand at trying to decide weather or not to go to baseball or the NFL i thought this guy is trouble and i guess a leopard never changes it's spots either that or his agent is just that stupid to come out with that kind of statement with out his clients say so ...

I thought the same thing. The decision to me felt intentional for as much attention as possible. To me some guys just want to win and some want to be a star. If you want to be a star doesn't mean you do not want to win, but actions seem to regularly occur with guys like that which aren't necessarily win first. I think Russell Wilson is actually closer to this also but he at least has won a bunch.

[DCofNC]

52 minutes ago, NewEra said:

If that’s the way you would run your business due to a cringy employee…… you’d fail

In a normal business you would just remind him he’s under contract and if that’s a problem, he can stop being paid.    The entitlement of this little ***** is insane.