Should the Bills extend Edmunds?

[JoshAllin]

Trade for TJ and some picks

[Buffalo Barbarian]

23 minutes ago, LifeLongFan said:

BoBO I Agree 100%   Trade him immediately!!!!

 

A look into the draft!

 

We should do everything in our Power to Trade Tremaine Edmunds for a #2/3 pick and use it manoeuvre and navigate in this years draft.  We are so close!!

 

Our top Priority should be LB Devin Loyd from Utah  - We need speed at Linebacker and this guy is a game wrecker!  We would most likely have to trade up 5+ spots to snag him!

 

We should also be looking at Dahan Dotson (WR) from Penn State- He has improved a lot and runs a 4.3  ( I will assume that we may or may not re sign Mckenzie)

 

In addition- another Linebacker in 2nd/3rd round we should be all over is Darrian Beavers- This guy is a beast.

 

WE NEED to get faster PERIOD!  All Bills Mafia are sick of seeing horrendous coverage in the middle of the field by our backers and people running down hill at them all day!  

 

I am ok if we need to give up some additional capital, use the pick for Edmunds to move up if need be...   2/3 of these guys would be unreallll

 

All (3) and I don't see us losing a game next year!   I am serious lol...... 

 

no champagne for the Dolphins in 2022

 

 

 

 

All true but Milano is a stud

 

 

[billybrew1]

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

Was there ever a player more polarizing on this Bills roster than Edmund has been in the last 2-3 years? I have a love hate relationship with him. On one hand I love him as a coverage guy, he truly flashes elite potential there but I am absolutely sick and tired of this guy shooting the wrong gaps. Is his lack of production there simply a product of a really soft McD/Leslie Frazier defense? I mean, how can he shoot any gaps when our coaches have him 20 yds off the ball?

 

Ultimately I like Edmunds at a price. I do think we should keep him at say $10M-$11M. Give him a contract in the neighborhood of what Milano got and I’m happy with it. Anything more than that then they should just trade him and at least get something for him. 
 

What are your thoughts Bills fans? Should we extend him? Trade him? Or let him walk?

I wonder what you could get?

We don't even have a reasonable back up for him, we never had one.

I wonder how much of his lack of big plays comes from playing in the Leslie defense?

Around midseason, I was joking that no one would have heard of Bruce Smith if Leslie was his coach.

After watching this D for four years I really think there is some truth to it....

Our ends looked slow, lost and confused versus KC when they should have looked fast, mean and viscous....

I think this is the truth?

But IDK, the last time we played KC we looked great on D, what happened?

If Leslie changed the gameplan that much into a laid back approach, he should be fired.

[Mr. Wonderful]

He's not worth top free agent money.  Football instincts are off- too much time chasing plays behind him instead of making them in front of him. 

[Sweats]

Wow, trade him is winning in a landslide...........i concur

 

This thread is Sweats approved.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

39 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

IMHO, I think its possible a lot of what people don't like about Edmunds has a lot to do with how he is used and what he is asked to do.  

 

I would like to see Edmunds one more year but under a different DC who would use his athletic talents in a more aggressive manner, similar to how Dallas uses Parsons.  I would think a new DC would salivate at creating schemes to utilize his speed and size.  

 

I feel like Edmunds is more used like a third safety more so than an anchor at MLB.  Like they bank on his speed to be able react and get to the ball as a second line of defense instead of him being a main guy up front getting to the RB or QB.  

 

Which is why a lot of people talk about "where" he makes tackles (too far down field), but thats also where he has been tasked to be or play on those plays too.  The way they use Edmunds is the definition of the bend but don't break approach.  They aren't asking him to blow plays up, they are asking him to prevent the bigger play.  

 

And this is why I think there is such a disconnect with how players and coaches feel about Edmunds value and performance vs how fans do.  Fans fixate on stat boxes and splashy plays.  But if the player isn't being used in a way to put him into position to make those types of plays, then even though he is doing what he is asked well, they will see it as something different.  

 

So, honestly, I think Edmunds is a lot better than people give him credit for, he is not perfect, but he is not the bum some make him out to be.  But at the same time, I think whether he stays in Buffalo or not will come down to what an extension would cost.  Beane has never broke the bank in an unreasonable way.  Even Josh Allens contract was quite a good deal from the team stand point as well.  I don't foresee him over paying Edmunds, so its going to come down to what the market dictates and what Edmunds prioritizes to see if there is a deal that makes sense for both sides.    

 

Im tired of our passive defense as well, McDermott needs to remember his jimmy Johnson days. Maybe we can pry Schwartz away from Tennessee.

 

 

[TH3]

2 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Was there ever a player more polarizing on this Bills roster than Edmund has been in the last 2-3 years? I have a love hate relationship with him. On one hand I love him as a coverage guy, he truly flashes elite potential there but I am absolutely sick and tired of this guy shooting the wrong gaps. Is his lack of production there simply a product of a really soft McD/Leslie Frazier defense? I mean, how can he shoot any gaps when our coaches have him 20 yds off the ball?

 

Ultimately I like Edmunds at a price. I do think we should keep him at say $10M-$11M. Give him a contract in the neighborhood of what Milano got and I’m happy with it. Anything more than that then they should just trade him and at least get something for him. 
 

What are your thoughts Bills fans? Should we extend him? Trade him? Or let him walk?

As Marv said…..Listen to the fans ….you’ll soon be sitting with the fans. This board has wanted to get rid of Daboll, Bean, McDermott, Edmunds, plenty wanted to get Rid of JA for 2 years…..I can add Singletary, Moss, Bass, Pegula, Frazier…heck ….just about everyone…

[Victory Formation]

4 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

I wonder what you could get?

We don't even have a reasonable back up for him, we never had one.

I wonder how much of his lack of big plays comes from playing in the Leslie defense?

Around midseason, I was joking that no one would have heard of Bruce Smith if Leslie was his coach.

After watching this D for four years I really think there is some truth to it....

Our ends looked slow, lost and confused versus KC when they should have looked fast, mean and viscous....

I think this is the truth?

But IDK, the last time we played KC we looked great on D, what happened?

If Leslie changed the gameplan that much into a laid back approach, he should be fired.

I wonder if a really desperate team would give us two #2s for him? We are really burdened by our cap situation, Edmunds is making $12M next year, I wonder how much space that would free up for us? Replace Addison, Hughes and Butler with younger players on rookie deals. 🤔

6 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Wow, trade him is winning in a landslide...........i concur

 

This thread is Sweats approved.

Pleasure to make your acquaintance, sir.

 

🤝

[Sierra Foothills]

2 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Should we extend him?

 

Who would be in charge of that... the athletic training staff? The team doctor?

[NewEra]

51 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I am honestly hoping Frazier moves on for the same reason.  Guy I really want is Flores, but I would be happy with Fangio too.

Do you really think McD would switch to a 3-4?  Fangio and Flores both run 3-4

Edited January 26, 2022 by NewEra

[JaCrispy]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Would the bears go for it ?

 

 

Who knows...but the Bears are a young and growing team with Fields...Mack probably doesn’t want to be on a rebuild at 30, and Edmunds is only 23, and could grow with Fields..

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

Who knows...but the Bears are a young and growing team with Fields...Mack probably doesn’t want to be on a rebuild at 30, and Edmunds is only 23, and could grow with Fields..

 

Sounds good but Reed83 says the Bears would take a 24 million cap hit

 

 

[Thurman#1]

Get used to him. 

 

Or you'll have agita for the next twelve years or so.

 

I don't vote in these things exactly because they so often end up producing ridiculous results like this one.

Edited January 26, 2022 by Thurman#1

[BillsFan130]

I posted his stats yesterday on another thread.

 

If you missed it, his stats for the year were:

 

0 sacks, 0 forced fumbles, 0 fumble recoveries, 1 INT, 7 TFL.

 

He is just not an impact player and there is no way I am paying him large money.

 

 I hope 2022 is his last year as a Bill unless he improves dramatically which I don;t think will happen

[SoCal Deek]

Only extend Edmunds if all other American football players are suddenly unavailable. The Edmunds experiment simply has not worked! And in case nobody noticed Gronk is not in the AFCE anymore, so what’s the point?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3-4 outside LB? 

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, billsfan714 said:

If told you when he was drafted that in his fourth season,  including the playoffs he would have zero sacks, zero forced fumbles,  2 qb hits, 4 passes defended and one int, AND there was talk of extending him, you would think I was nuts.

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EdmuTr01.htm

It amazes me that there are still people who defend Edmunds even with those embarassing stats..

Edited January 26, 2022 by BillsFan130

[Stank_Nasty]

No 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

42 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

All true but Milano is a stud

 

 

A stud isn’t beat on a playoff winning TD.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

59 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Trade him.  

 

 

Whatcha' think a $13M guaranteed contract MLB in his walk year who makes no big plays, is very inconsistent in run defense and is coming off two straight seasons of 105+ passer rating allowed is worth in trade?

 

With all the coaching changes,  we can always hope a Bill O'Brien-esque GM to come into power elsewhere and give the Bills something nice for him but I kinda' doubt anyone would give up much to put him at MLB and teams that think they can transition him to OLB aren't going to want to try that experiment at that cap hit. 

[HOUSE]

I was un aware people were unhappy with Edmunds

[NewEra]

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Whatcha' think a $13M guaranteed contract MLB in his walk year who makes no big plays, is very inconsistent in run defense and is coming off two straight seasons of 105+ passer rating allowed is worth in trade?

 

With all the coaching changes,  we can always hope a Bill O'Brien-esque GM to come into power elsewhere and give the Bills something nice for him but I kinda' doubt anyone would give up much to put him at MLB and teams that think they can transition him to OLB aren't going to want to try that experiment at that cap hit. 

Likely a 4th or 5th+ a 6 or 7. .  If our plan is to move him outside with him being our 3rd LB like you suggested, I’d rather trade him for any draft pick we can get.  No way we’d give him the money someone else would following next season.  
 

I think we plan on keeping him in the middle and not add an additional MLB
 

 

 

[In Summary]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

If anyone offered a 2nd round pick for him I would do it in a heartbeat. The only other option in my eyes is pay him 9M and tell him he's moving to the outside.

I'm so tired of safe bend don't break defenses. We've witnessed them throughout Bills history. Let Frazier walk and sign Fangio. Stick Tremaine outside where he's belonged since day 1 and let your defense be more aggressive. 

Edmunds belonged with Walt Corey.  We need a Talley.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

A stud isn’t beat on a playoff winning TD.

 

 

 

Our guys were exhausted and no one is a match for Kelce one on one, Kelce needed to be double teamed. Milano has been great for us so to think one play makes him a bum you are sadly mistaken.

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Our guys were exhausted and no one is a match for Kelce one on one, Kelce needed to be double teamed. Milano has been great for us so to think one play makes him a bum you are sadly mistaken.

 

 

He’s been good not great. Half the blown plays people who don’t understand the Defense Blame on Edmunds are his missed reads or failure to get off the block. 
 

A Great cover linebacker doesn’t get owned by a tight end there in that moment of that game. 
 

Milano is good, Tremaine is also good.  Neither is great and how they got on the team really doesn’t matter after they are it’s a sunk cost and irrelevant. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Buffalo Barbarian]

3 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

He’s been good not great. Half the blown plays people who don’t understand the Defense Blame on Edmunds are his missed reads or failure to get off the block. 
 

A Great cover linebacker doesn’t get owned by a tight end there in that moment of that game. 
 

Milano is good, Tremaine is also good.  Neither is great and how they got on the team really doesn’t matter after they are it’s a sunk cost and irrelevant. 

 

Kelce is not just some TE, no one can cover him , Milano is very important to this team, now and going forward

 

 

[DuckyBoys]

 if it hasnt clicked after 4 seasons its not going to Edmunds lacks the mental part of the game to be in position to make plays 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Kelce is not just some TE, no one can cover him , Milano is very important to this team, now and going forward

 

 

The lack of standards around here is always telling. Milano is not GREAT. He’s often weak at the point of attack and strong physical running teams attack him. 
 

He has good instincts and plays decisively but is small, lacks strength and has marginal speed.  
 

Tremaine is literally the polar opposite. 
 

when Carolina’s D was it’s best with this scheme they had elite Linebackers at both spots. It’s a problem. 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The lack of standards around here is always telling. Milano is not GREAT. He’s often weak at the point of attack and strong physical running teams attack him. 
 

He has good instincts and plays decisively but is small, lacks strength and has marginal speed.  
 

Tremaine is literally the polar opposite. 
 

when Carolina’s D was it’s best with this scheme they had elite Linebackers at both spots. It’s a problem. 

 

Lol, and Edmunds is half the player Milano is but keep going with the hot take. The reason our defense is soft is because they are coached to keep everything in front of them instead of being aggressive and attacking.

 

 

[Floydboy12]

The rookie LB for KC made a much bigger impact on the game Sunday night than Edmunds. Just a small sample but my feeling is Edmunds production can easily be replaced or improved upon through the draft. I’d trade him instead of paying him big money. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Lol, and Edmunds is half the player Milano is but keep going with the hot take. The reason our defense is soft is because they are coached to keep everything in front of them instead of being aggressive and attacking.

 

 

This isn’t a hot take pal. I’ve watched these guys for years. Milano is a very AVERAGE linebacker. People are distorted is how they see he and Tremaine because of how they were drafted. 
 

Just look for big plays that lose Bills playoff games and you’ll see plenty of 58. 

[JohnNord]

Edmunds is easily the most devise player in some time.  He rarely makes plays and often appears to play poorly in games.  Yet the guys from Cover 1 will literally argue with fans on Twitter trying to show how great he is and why the problems on the field aren’t his fault. It’s bizarre.

 

Personally I don’t think he’s good enough and a big reason why this defense is soft

[BeastMaster]

Paying big money for a player that doesn't provide the impact you would expect from someone making that much when your team needs to be very careful with who they spend cap space on is a bad move.

 

Ship him out to the highest bidder

[SoMAn]

I think a lot may depend on who the DC is going forward. If Frazier goes, McDermott could opt for a coordinator with a more aggressive approach with regard to the front 7.  Whatever is decided, it’s a certainty that the weak run defense has to be addressed. Edmunds is a liability defending the run. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by SoMAn

[Sierra Foothills]

48 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

He’s been good not great. Half the blown plays people who don’t understand the Defense Blame on Edmunds are his missed reads or failure to get off the block. 
 

A Great cover linebacker doesn’t get owned by a tight end there in that moment of that game. 
 

Milano is good, Tremaine is also good.  Neither is great and how they got on the team really doesn’t matter after they are it’s a sunk cost and irrelevant. 

 

I think most would agree that Milano is better than Edmunds. And if every Bills 5th rounder was as good as Milano, we'd be building a float for a parade down Delware Avenue. Milano's range and instincts are excellent. Is he an All-Pro? No, but he's not anywhere near part of the problem either. Mahomes to Kelce have made plenty of excellent players look bad, no?

 

6 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

I think a lot may depend on who the DC is going forward. If Frazier goes, McDermott could opt for a coordinator with a more aggressive approach with regard to the front 7.  Whatever is decided, it’s a certainty that the weak run defense has to be addressed. Edmunds is a liability defending the run. 

 

How much autonomy do you guys think Frazier gets? Is he not running the McDermott Defense?

[Nextmanup]

I voted "trade him for picks" but I don't think he has a huge trade market and that route may well not work.

 

So consider my vote "try" to do that.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson]

Keep him as our water boy.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

I think most would agree that Milano is better than Edmunds. And if every Bills 5th rounder was as good as Milano, we'd be building a float for a parade down Delware Avenue. Milano's range and instincts are excellent. Is he an All-Pro? No, but he's not anywhere near part of the problem either. Mahomes to Kelce have made plenty of excellent players look bad, no?

It’s absolutely confounding how the same people can watch both these guys play at the same time and think one is incredible and the other is replacement level. 
 

They are both middling. One is an over achiever and one is an under achiever to but to roughly the same mean. 
 

also has anyone noticed when Tremaine is out they don’t move Milano to Mike? What does that tell you?? 
 

one is Doug Flutie and one is Rob Johnson.. neither are going to dominate a game when you need it, or make that huge play when it matters. 

[ComradeKayAdams]

2 hours ago, Helpmenow said:

Move him from MIKE 

 

The Mike and the Will are pretty much indistinguishable in Leslie Frazier’s nickel package. His 4-2-5 is essentially Buffalo’s base defense at this point, and it unfortunately puts a lot of undue stress on Edmunds and Milano during the course of a game. Both are athletic enough to handle their jobs well, but an elite offense like KC’s creates too many additional problems when Buffalo’s defensive unit is already missing Tre White and is not getting enough pass rush and containment at the edges from the DE’s.

 

But the solution is not to get rid of Edmunds! He’s universally regarded among NFL coaches and players as no worse than among the top 20 LB’s throughout the league. With his elite athleticism and his young age (23.5 years old), he has room to grow. He’s a captain of what has been a top-3 statistical NFL defense for 3 of his 4 years in Buffalo. He’s already made 2 Pro Bowls and is a first alternate for this season.

 

Let’s also face reality: we’re stuck with Frazier, McDermott, and therefore Edmunds for at least another season. But that’s okay! The LB’s, DT’s, and safeties on this team are perfectly fine. What is needed is another starting CB opposite a healthy Tre White, a Pro Bowl-caliber DE, and better production from Epenesa/Basham/Rousseau.

[MJS]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I have an idea. Pay him $400k for every TFL he gets. That will save some money. My bad, I forgot he's a glorified CB. Trade him and get as much picks as you can.

That would be $10.4 million dollars over his first 4 years. Not too shabby. I think he has made about $12 million so far, so that's not too different.