Our defense always seems to come up short in the playoffs

[streetkings01]

When we need them most. 
 

#1 - Jags game - allowing Bortles to scramble for 1st down after 1st down when we desperately needed stops. I know our offense was trash that year, but our defense had no answers for Bortles legs.

 

#2 - Texans game - dominant 1st half to letting Watson work his magic and kick our butts the 2nd half and then sending us home in OT. 
 

#3 - Chiefs game - defense didn’t even show up for this game.

 

#4 - Chiefs game#2 - defense gives up Hill TD, FG on a 13 second drive and walk off TD in OT

 

Frazier has been the DC for all of those games……McDermott needs to get a DC in here that can adjust and understand situational football. Frazier has proven that he comes up short in big moments.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I think you missed some games 

[dave mcbride]

2 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

When we need them most. 
 

#1 - Jags game - allowing Bortles to scramble for 1st down after 1st down when we desperately needed stops. I know our offense was trash that year, but our defense had no answers for Bortles legs.

 

#2 - Texans game - dominant 1st half to letting Watson work his magic and kick our butts the 2nd half and then sending us home in OT. 
 

#3 - Chiefs game - defense didn’t even show up for this game.

 

#4 - Chiefs game#2 - defense gives up Hill TD, FG on a 13 second drive and walk off TD in OT

 

Frazier has been the DC for all of those games……McDermott needs to get a DC in here that can adjust and understand situational football. Frazier has proven that he comes up short in big moments.

There are ... other games.

[streetkings01]

2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

There are ... other games.

Playoff games?

4 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I think you missed some games 

Which games did I miss?

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Which games did I miss?

 

So Allen is 0-3 in playoffs?

[streetkings01]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

So Allen is 0-3 in playoffs?

I’m confused where you’re going with this question. 
 

I pointed out that our defense seems to come up short in the playoffs when we needed them the most. Our 4 losses the defense had opportunities to outright win the game or give us an opportunity to win the game and they came up short every single time.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Give credit to the opposition. Mahomes and Watson were superman.

 

We don't have a player on defense that dominates games.

[LABILLBACKER]

We've given up 80 points in our last 2 playoff games with KC. I love the comical term "we're built to stop KC".....what utter nonsense. 80 points= 0 pass rush!

[SCBills]

17 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

There are ... other games.

Ok, I’ll play..

 

Indy, in which Rivers diced us up but we won.  

 

Baltimore in a wind tunnel (but I’ll give him credit for that game as we’ve done well against Lamar)

 

Patriots with Mac Jones.  
 

Mixed bag, but overall not very impressive - especially when you take into account the investments made on his side of the ball. 

[streetkings01]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We've given up 80 points in our last 2 playoff games with KC. I love the comical term "we're built to stop KC".....what utter nonsense. 80 points= 0 pass rush!

I never subscribed to that. Without a true pass rushing stud how are we built to stop KC? 

[Jauronimo]

19 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Playoff games?

Which games did I miss?

All of the wins.

[Niagara Dude]

22 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

When we need them most. 
 

#1 - Jags game - allowing Bortles to scramble for 1st down after 1st down when we desperately needed stops. I know our offense was trash that year, but our defense had no answers for Bortles legs.

 

#2 - Texans game - dominant 1st half to letting Watson work his magic and kick our butts the 2nd half and then sending us home in OT. 
 

#3 - Chiefs game - defense didn’t even show up for this game.

 

#4 - Chiefs game#2 - defense gives up Hill TD, FG on a 13 second drive and walk off TD in OT

 

Frazier has been the DC for all of those games……McDermott needs to get a DC in here that can adjust and understand situational football. Frazier has proven that he comes up short in big moments.

I just hope Terry and Kim ask Sean to fire Frazier,  for the good of this franchise and to help Allen we need an attacking style defence. Those two plays during that last 13 secs represents how Frazier believes you need to play defence.  

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Give credit to the opposition. Mahomes and Watson were superman.

 

We don't have a player on defense that dominates games.

 

No we don't, but our closest player to that was out injured. If Tre was healthy and playing yesterday we would've won by double digits.

 

[streetkings01]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

Ok, I’ll play..

 

Indy, in which Rivers diced us up but we won.  

 

Baltimore in a wind tunnel (but I’ll give him credit for that game as we’ve done well against Lamar)

 

Patriots with Mac Jones.  
 

Mixed bag, but overall not very impressive - especially when you take into account the investments made on his side of the ball. 

Do you understand what “when we needed them most” means? That Colts game the offense was able to do just enough to get us the victory……Ravens game was just he best defensive performance he’s coached in the playoffs. The Patriots game the defense wasn’t needed……everyone knew they couldn’t keep up with us.

 

3 of those 4 playoff losses we needed the defense to step up and play championship caliber…….they failed every single time!

[Boatdrinks]

List all the NFL defenses that outclass the team speed of the Chiefs offense. I’ll wait.....

[EasternOHBillsFan]

26 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

When we need them most. 
 

#1 - Jags game - allowing Bortles to scramble for 1st down after 1st down when we desperately needed stops. I know our offense was trash that year, but our defense had no answers for Bortles legs.

 

#2 - Texans game - dominant 1st half to letting Watson work his magic and kick our butts the 2nd half and then sending us home in OT. 
 

#3 - Chiefs game - defense didn’t even show up for this game.

 

#4 - Chiefs game#2 - defense gives up Hill TD, FG on a 13 second drive and walk off TD in OT

 

Frazier has been the DC for all of those games……McDermott needs to get a DC in here that can adjust and understand situational football. Frazier has proven that he comes up short in big moments.

 

Can't fault you there... our defense needs new leadership, that's for sure.

 

We need a defense to beat the very best, not just one to make the regular season stats look pretty. Until we have a defense that can beat Mahomes, we are not going to have a defense worthy of our offense.

[SCBills]

Just now, streetkings01 said:

Do you understand what “when we needed them most” means? That Colts game the offense was able to do just enough to get us the victory……Ravens game was just he best defensive performance he’s coached in the playoffs. The Patriots game the defense wasn’t needed……everyone knew they couldn’t keep up with us.

 

3 of those 4 playoff losses we needed the defense to step up and play championship caliber…….they failed every single time!

I actually agree with you.   You’re misreading the intention of my post.  I want Frazier gone. 

[CapeBreton]

Damn I forgot about Bortles running all over us, that was painful. I was probably trying to suppress those memories. 

[streetkings01]

4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

List all the NFL defenses that outclass the team speed of the Chiefs offense. I’ll wait.....

Chiefs had 7 games this year where they scored 24 points or fewer.

 

24 vs Chargers 

20 vs Bills

3 @ Titans

20 vs Giants

13 vs Packers

19 vs Cowboys 

22 vs Broncos 

 

Let’s not act like the Chiefs offense is some unstoppable force, we just always seem to make them look unstoppable during the playoffs.

 

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Chiefs had 7 games this year where they scored 24 points or fewer.

 

24 vs Chargers 

20 vs Bills

3 @ Titans

20 vs Giants

13 vs Packers

19 vs Cowboys 

22 vs Broncos 

 

Let’s not act like the Chiefs offense is some unstoppable force, we just always seem to make them look unstoppable during the playoffs.

 

So they’re inconsistent like most NFL teams. The Bills game plan and their own lack of offense in last years playoffs contributed. When they’re on, not many teams ( if any) have a player to cover Hill or Kelce. You need to rally to the ball and make form tackles if you play the style the Bills defense does. They didn’t do that particularly well but you really need to beat the Chiefs with offense. The Bills did that and a better plan would have killed off the 13 seconds. Could the Bills get better on defense ? Sure but make every effort to improve the offense even more. Chances are in the playoffs you are going to get a teams best. That happened last night. Better coaching wins this game. 

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

2020 SB champs…. Thanks to a decimated Chiefs offensive line.😅

 

Still there is no question the Bills defense looks slow as ***** whenever they play the Chiefs…. They seemed much more aggressive in the week 5 match up. 

I agree the plan seemed more aggressive in October. I’m guessing Andy Reid would destroy that plan if you did the same things again . Maybe the Bills coaches were less comfortable without White at CB. Kelce seemed to move around a lot more than he did in October. Anyway, Josh Allen was the Bills meal ticket here and he performed. This really came down to a bad plan to manage the final seconds. 

[Joe Ferguson]

Was there a chance to run the clock to 2 seconds left instead of 13 before Allen throws that TD pass to Davis? Anything to prevent that moron Frazier and the overrated defense to get on the field to try and win the game for us.

[Buffalo ill]

I understand rules are biased in favor of offense.  It just feels like Bills defenses always fail in two key areas, pass rush and missed tackles.  I can forgive being beaten by insane speedsters like Hill.  It's going to happen.  It just makes me throw up in my mouth when the first contact or two miss a tackle that turns into a 8+ yard play.

[ehfeuh57]

We don't make the necessary in game adjustments

 

Do we even have an option of just playing MAN Defense

[popcornpam]

53 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I just hope Terry and Kim ask Sean to fire Frazier,  for the good of this franchise and to help Allen we need an attacking style defence. Those two plays during that last 13 secs represents how Frazier believes you need to play defence.  

They run Sean McDermott‘s scheme. Frazier has said that,” McDermott doesn’t like to blitz” If Frazier leaves the job will go to Coach Washington. 

Edited January 25, 2022 by popcornpam

[LABILLBACKER]

42 minutes ago, streetkings01 said:

Chiefs had 7 games this year where they scored 24 points or fewer.

 

24 vs Chargers 

20 vs Bills

3 @ Titans

20 vs Giants

13 vs Packers

19 vs Cowboys 

22 vs Broncos 

 

Let’s not act like the Chiefs offense is some unstoppable force, we just always seem to make them look unstoppable during the playoffs.

 

....because we're basically playing with 1 LB(58) and 1 DL pass rusher(91)....our front 6 needs a bigtime upgrade. 

[Old Coot]

Is this tactic legal?  When Mahomes leaves the pocket he's a potential runner so we can knock down his receivers.

 

I've seen this done but the rules may have closed this loophole.

 

I hope not.  Everyone loves a good loophole.

[MJS]

3 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

Chiefs had 7 games this year where they scored 24 points or fewer.

 

24 vs Chargers 

20 vs Bills

3 @ Titans

20 vs Giants

13 vs Packers

19 vs Cowboys 

22 vs Broncos 

 

Let’s not act like the Chiefs offense is some unstoppable force, we just always seem to make them look unstoppable during the playoffs.

 

They had an unexpected slump early in the year, but everyone knows that they turn it on in the playoffs. They are as unstoppable of an offense as there has ever been in the NFL.

 

That's why they are hosting their 4th straight AFC Championship game in KC, even with having downright bad defenses a couple of those years.

 

The Chiefs are really good. So are the Bills, BTW.

3 hours ago, popcornpam said:

They run Sean McDermott‘s scheme. Frazier has said that,” McDermott doesn’t like to blitz” If Frazier leaves the job will go to Coach Washington. 

Blitzing Mahomes is suicide. Everyone knows that. You need pressure with the front 4. Go look at his splits when he is blitzed versus not blitzed.

[bmur66]

It is clearly time for a change of defensive philosophy. Josh Allen and the offense did all that they could humanly do to win a playoff game and the defense squandered that effort. Multiple times through the regular season the defense could not step up and win a game when needed. Bend but don't break until it breaks just is not getting it done. Time for a change! The offense can't get much better and the Chiefs aren't getting much worse.

Edited January 25, 2022 by bmur66

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

7 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

There are ... other games.

The Titans game this year was as bad as KC and coming off beating KC and letting Ryan Tannehill sit in the pocket and letting Derrick Run right up the middle against every time was a disaster.

2 hours ago, MJS said:

They had an unexpected slump early in the year, but everyone knows that they turn it on in the playoffs. They are as unstoppable of an offense as there has ever been in the NFL.

 

That's why they are hosting their 4th straight AFC Championship game in KC, even with having downright bad defenses a couple of those years.

 

The Chiefs are really good. So are the Bills, BTW.

Blitzing Mahomes is suicide. Everyone knows that. You need pressure with the front 4. Go look at his splits when he is blitzed versus not blitzed.

It worked for Brian Flores in the playoffs.

[Governor]

59 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

It is clearly time for a change of defensive philosophy. Josh Allen and the offense did all that they could humanly do to win a playoff game and the defense squandered that effort. Multiple times through the regular season the defense could not step up and win a game when needed. Bend but don't break until it breaks just is not getting it done. Time for a change! The offense can't get much better and the Chiefs aren't getting much worse.

Welcome aboard!

 

The entire scheme has to go and I’m not sure how that happens without firing McD. There will have to be an ultimatum. McD needs to be “hands off” the defense entirely or we’ll get the same result next year. 
 

Josh will come first over the coaches. They are no longer safe.

 

Its either change the scheme and hire a new DC, or be fired. I think he knows it too.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Governor

[Protocal69]

7 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

Chiefs had 7 games this year where they scored 24 points or fewer.

 

24 vs Chargers 

20 vs Bills

3 @ Titans

20 vs Giants

13 vs Packers

19 vs Cowboys 

22 vs Broncos 

 

Let’s not act like the Chiefs offense is some unstoppable force, we just always seem to make them look unstoppable during the playoffs.

 

Yeah most if not all those teams play primarily man coverage. I feel like we need a high level speed guy at CB with some zone ability.

[Governor]

2 minutes ago, Protocal69 said:

Yeah most if not all those teams play primarily man coverage. I feel like we need a high level speed guy at CB with some zone ability.

Tre is definitely not Ronde Barber. I would entertain some trade offers. It’s all about Josh now. Noting is off the table.

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

Frazier’s reply: What do you mean short?

[prissythecat]

20 minutes ago, NJKBillsfan said:

Our defense honestly sucks pretty bad.

 

-No pass rush whatsoever

-Aren't good at stopping the run

-Lack a big time play maker in the secondary

 

Honestly what is this defense even good at?

 

 

Stat padding against lesser teams? 

[Steptide]

I said yesterday in a thread, I don't know how any gm or owner watches the end of that bills game and says "hire that defensive coordinator!". It was just an epic fail 

[Greg S]

A better question is why do the Bills always come up short on the road in the playoffs? Last road playoff win was the 1993 AFC championship game 29-10 over Miami. The Bills have lost their last 9 road playoff games.

[colin]

the big issues is our d has the most money, picks, and focus from hc, but they blow when the chips are down

 

our dl, highest paid!! makes zero plays.  our secondary is solid, but we lack a top flight corner when tre is out, and our lbs turn into orange cones too often.

 

i think frazier just isn't good enough, and needs to be upgraded.  we also have to re shuffle how we've built this paper tiger d

[HamptonBillsfan]

Overvalued players that are  effective against average offenses but cannot impose their will on top QB driven teams are the culprits. Our edge rushers are pedestrian and get no pressure in rush 4 scenarios. The corners lack depth and when White goes down,they're only average. The LBs are good but they are not involved in pressure packages enough to wreck a game,like Tampa,SF, NE. With Josh most games we'll have enough offense to overcome any deficiencies, but against teams we must beat later in the playoffs, game changing plays on defense will be necessary. 

[Billsfan1972]

And I got plenty of pushbacks, eyerolls and vomit emojis anytime I questioned the defense and said anything about third & fourth down conversions.  Heck think I had a thread last week and was told how little I knew.

 

KC is a great offense, however the final 13 seconds was an epic fail (and OT), along with a couple of third down conversions.

 

One great play on third & one, where Reid tried to get too cute was pretty much all they did. 

2 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

Overvalued players that are  effective against average offenses but cannot impose their will on top QB driven teams are the culprits. Our edge rushers are pedestrian and get no pressure in rush 4 scenarios. The corners lack depth and when White goes down,they're only average. The LBs are good but they are not involved in pressure packages enough to wreck a game,like Tampa,SF, NE. With Josh most games we'll have enough offense to overcome any deficiencies, but against teams we must beat later in the playoffs, game changing plays on defense will be necessary. 

I don't think you need game changing plays to defend during the last 13 seconds!!!!!!😡

[SoCal Deek]

Being an ‘old timer’ this reminds me of the Super Bowl era. Our offense was clicking on all cylinders but our defense was just too small and didn’t hit anybody! At that time we had a safety that wore special padding on his helmet.  The difference now is that we keep losing to the best team BEFORE we get to the Super Bowl.