The most fun player to watch in the NFL is Josh Allen. The least fun player to watch in the NFL is Tremaine Edmunds.

[Chaos]

The most fun player to watch in the NFL is Josh Allen.  The least fun player to watch in the NFL is Tremaine Edmunds.  There are lots of threads praising Josh and trashing Tremaine's production/performances.   This thread is just about watching them play.   Edmunds has the praise of coaches and peers who know a hell of a lot more about football than I do.  But man, I hate watching him play.  I have never seen a player who arrives on the screen just as the play is over more often than Edmunds.   Maybe that just means he is out hustling everyone.  But it drives me nuts. 

[TAinLack.]

Edmunds has great athletic physical skills, unfortunately his football instincts don't serve him well.  It could be Leslie Frazier's system that is not utilizing him better.

I guess we will see next year, I can't see Frazier here next year and hope he is a head coach somewhere else.  Unfortunately last nights  defensive game  plan  might  cause some teams to become less interested, we'll see.  JMTC

Edited January 24, 2022 by TAinLA
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[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

22 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The most fun player to watch in the NFL is Josh Allen.  The least fun player to watch in the NFL is Tremaine Edmunds.  There are lots of threads praising Josh and trashing Tremaine's production/performances.   This thread is just about watching them play.   Edmunds has the praise of coaches and peers who know a hell of a lot more about football than I do.  But man, I hate watching him play.  I have never seen a player who arrives on the screen just as the play is over more often than Edmunds.   Maybe that just means he is out hustling everyone.  But it drives me nuts. 

He gets beat every game in pass coverage needs mike singletary to coach him.

[SoMAn]

What are you talking about? He made that one really nice hit and tackle. Extend him by all means.

 

Even my wife, who has limited knowledge or the game, asked why # 49 looks like he's not running hard to the ball carrier.  I'm usually in agreement with the Tasker & Co on the various WGR shows that discuss Bills' football, but they continue to praise the merits of Edmunds.  IMO, he doesn't pass the eye test.  He gets blocked out of plays, takes bad angles, and often looks like he's scared to put his shoulder down and make the hit.

 

Opposing teams know they can run right at him and get positive yards.

 

He is great at being near by when another Bills defender makes the tackle. More often that not he's standing right there or jumping on top of the pile. 

 

The argument is that his length clogs passing lanes. So what is he, a glorified DB?  Hell, sign Manute Bol to make like a windmill.

 

I've stated this before: His true value could be tested in the trade market (though his contract may prevent such a move).  He was the 17th overall pick in 2018. He's still very young, but has 4 years of experience.  Are there any teams that would trade a first round pick for Edmunds? Highly unlikely, but if offered, the Bills should jump on it before the potential trade partner has a chance to review all his game film.

 

BTW - I believe Edmunds is smart and probably a great teammate.  It's his toughness that appears to be lacking.

 

On the plus side - there should be no doubt that the Bills got the best QB in the 2018 draft.

Like any player, Josh has had a few off games, but he continues to get better and better. He's reading defenses like a vet should. He's seeing the whole field. His accuracy has improved 100%. He's become the undisputed leader of the team and the chemistry and friendships are reminiscent of the ones from  90's teams.

Some of his stats have been skewed by the horrible weather conditions the Bills have endured in 2021.  He's quickly become one of the elite QBs in the NFL and we should be so thankful he's on the Bills and under contract for several more years.

 

 

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by SoMAn

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

What are you talking about? He made that one really nice hit and tackle. Extend him by all means.

 

Even my wife, who has limited knowledge or the game, asked why # 49 looks like he's not running hard to the ball carrier.  I'm usually in agreement with the Tasker & Co on the various WGR shows that discuss Bills' football, but they continue to praise the merits of Edmunds.  IMO, he doesn't pass the eye test.  He gets blocked out of plays, takes bad angles, and often looks like he's scared to put his shoulder down and make the hit.

 

Opposing teams know they can run right at him and get positive yards.

 

He is great at being near by when another Bills defender makes the tackle. More often that not he's standing right there or jumping on top of the pile. 

 

The argument is that his length clogs passing lanes. So what is he, a glorified DB?  Hell, sign Manute Bol to make like a windmill.

 

I've stated this before: His true value could be tested in the trade market (though his contract may prevent such a move).  He was the 17th overall pick in 2018. He's still very young, but has 4 years of experience.  Are there any teams that would trade a first round pick for Edmunds? Highly unlikely, but if offered, the Bills should jump on it before the potential trade partner has a chance to review all his game film.

 

BTW - I believe Edmunds is smart and probably a great teammate.  It's his toughness that appears to be lacking.

 

 

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

 

[ALLEN1QB]

2 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

What are you talking about? He made that one really nice hit and tackle. Extend him by all means.

 

Even my wife, who has limited knowledge or the game, asked why # 49 looks like he's not running hard to the ball carrier.  I'm usually in agreement with the Tasker & Co on the various WGR shows that discuss Bills' football, but they continue to praise the merits of Edmunds.  IMO, he doesn't pass the eye test.  He gets blocked out of plays, takes bad angles, and often looks like he's scared to put his shoulder down and make the hit.

 

Opposing teams know they can run right at him and get positive yards.

 

He is great at being near by when another Bills defender makes the tackle. More often that not he's standing right there or jumping on top of the pile. 

 

The argument is that his length clogs passing lanes. So what is he, a glorified DB?  Hell, sign Manute Bol to make like a windmill.

 

I've stated this before: His true value could be tested in the trade market (though his contract may prevent such a move).  He was the 17th overall pick in 2018. He's still very young, but has 4 years of experience.  Are there any teams that would trade a first round pick for Edmunds? Highly unlikely, but if offered, the Bills should jump on it before the potential trade partner has a chance to review all his game film.

 

BTW - I believe Edmunds is smart and probably a great teammate.  It's his toughness that appears to be lacking.

 

Is this his agent?

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

What are you talking about? He made that one really nice hit and tackle. Extend him by all means.

 

Even my wife, who has limited knowledge or the game, asked why # 49 looks like he's not running hard to the ball carrier.  I'm usually in agreement with the Tasker & Co on the various WGR shows that discuss Bills' football, but they continue to praise the merits of Edmunds.  IMO, he doesn't pass the eye test.  He gets blocked out of plays, takes bad angles, and often looks like he's scared to put his shoulder down and make the hit.

 

Opposing teams know they can run right at him and get positive yards.

 

He is great at being near by when another Bills defender makes the tackle. More often that not he's standing right there or jumping on top of the pile. 

 

The argument is that his length clogs passing lanes. So what is he, a glorified DB?  Hell, sign Manute Bol to make like a windmill.

 

I've stated this before: His true value could be tested in the trade market (though his contract may prevent such a move).  He was the 17th overall pick in 2018. He's still very young, but has 4 years of experience.  Are there any teams that would trade a first round pick for Edmunds? Highly unlikely, but if offered, the Bills should jump on it before the potential trade partner has a chance to review all his game film.

 

BTW - I believe Edmunds is smart and probably a great teammate.  It's his toughness that appears to be lacking.

 

 

after several of his interviews smart isn’t one of the things that come to mind. That may be the issue. 

[The Avenger]

Dude needs a geometry tutor because he knows nothing about angles...

[BuffaloRebound]

If the goal is to win a Super Bowl, you can’t sign Edmunds to a big money deal.  At some point McBeane gotta realize that hoping he’s gonna make a big play because he’s physically talented and in the right spot is the road to disappointment.  

[bmur66]

Whatdda mean? It's fun watching him run around like the Predator, looking all scary and finishing off tackles others have made. Maybe he should get one of those invisibility cloaks too.

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by bmur66

[damj]

37 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The most fun player to watch in the NFL is Josh Allen.  The least fun player to watch in the NFL is Tremaine Edmunds.  There are lots of threads praising Josh and trashing Tremaine's production/performances.   This thread is just about watching them play.   Edmunds has the praise of coaches and peers who know a hell of a lot more about football than I do.  But man, I hate watching him play.  I have never seen a player who arrives on the screen just as the play is over more often than Edmunds.   Maybe that just means he is out hustling everyone.  But it drives me nuts. 

Tremaine was drafted 9 picks after Josh. Josh was to be the cornerstone of the offense and Tremaine the cornerstone of the defense.

 

Josh is elite; Edmunds is mediocre ... time to move on

2 minutes ago, bmur66 said:

Whatdda mean? It's fun watching him run around like the Predator, looking all scary and finishing off tackles others have made. Maybe he should get one of those invisibility cloaks too.

Looks like Tarzan; plays like Jane

[Ramza86]

Id rather see him blitzing or playing man every single down. Move him over, he cant be the MLB of this team.

 

Watching him play zone and trying to process what is happening on the field is hard to watch. Hes always a second late to figure out whats going on.

 

Hes still a baby, so i wouldnt mind keeping him if we can get him on the cheap and hope he can continue to learn the game, but to pay him top 10-15 money would be absurd.

[RyanC883]

41 minutes ago, Chaos said:

The most fun player to watch in the NFL is Josh Allen.  The least fun player to watch in the NFL is Tremaine Edmunds.  There are lots of threads praising Josh and trashing Tremaine's production/performances.   This thread is just about watching them play.   Edmunds has the praise of coaches and peers who know a hell of a lot more about football than I do.  But man, I hate watching him play.  I have never seen a player who arrives on the screen just as the play is over more often than Edmunds.   Maybe that just means he is out hustling everyone.  But it drives me nuts. 

 

Edmunds sucks.  Our coaching staff can't evaluate talent, (look at the DL, and how long it took to play Bates).  

[Bob in STL]

A brand new “ I hate Edmunds” thread, disguised as “fun to watch” thread.  
 

Mods, can this be combined with the other Edmunds sucks threads. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Bob in STL

[Just in Atlanta]

Edmunds is like an eye floater. He's always there, in the background, hardly visible. Once you notice him? You can't unsee him.

 

My wife's reaction was similar to SoMAn's. 

 

Wanting a fresh perspective, I asked her, "Watch the guy in the dreds in the middle of the field." 

She's like, "He's kinda running in circles" on Play 1 then "He engages with every guy OTHER than the one with the ball" then "He's kinda jogging" and then in the Fourth Quarter, he actually makes a play to stop the first down. She's like, "He just engulfed that dude".

 

OMG, yes, yes, yes: Edmunds is on the periphery of every play. But ... why on Earth is he not used more aggressively with those physical skills? My wife said something we've all said here: "Either he can't figure out where the ball's going or that's how the coach is using him".

 

Edmunds' role in 2021 was a space eater. Is that his planned role? Or are his football instincts THAT bad? 

 

 

1 minute ago, Bob in STL said:

A brand new “ I hate Edmunds” thread, disguised as “fun to watch” thread.  
 

Mods, can this be combined with the other Edmunds sucks threads. 

Where's your hall pass?

[RyanC883]

2 minutes ago, Bob in STL said:

A brand new “ I hate Edmunds” thread, disguised as “fun to watch” thread.  
 

Mods, can this be combined with the other Edmunds sucks threads. 

 

if you don't like it, don't read it.  

[Just in Atlanta]

2 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

if you don't like it, don't read it.  

It's a legit thread. Our defense just blew the game of our lives and Edmunds is at the center -- literally -- of it. 

 

Agree -- if you don't want to read about Edmunds go to the 1,000-plus other threads about other topics.

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Just in Atlanta

[Ray Finkel]

But he has made the pro bowl.  😂😂😂😂

[BillsFan130]

Here are Edmunds stats at the end of the year:

 

0 sacks. 0 forced fumbles. 0 fumble recoveries.

 

1 interception. 7 tackles for loss.

 

He is soft against the run. Looks lost half the time against the pass.

No one can ever convince me this guy is a good player.

 

 

Edited January 24, 2022 by BillsFan130

[SoMAn]

29 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

after several of his interviews smart isn’t one of the things that come to mind. That may be the issue. 

I don't know about his smarts or lack of. My presumption is based on his role as defensive QB.  Maybe he's given that role because he's dead center in the defensive alignment and is in the best position to communicate assignments coming to him through the helmet radio.

Edited January 24, 2022 by SoMAn

[Billzgobowlin]

I thought about this a lot the past day and we need a Josh Allen type player on defense.  This is worth multiple super bowls!!!!

[PayDaBill$]

Edmonds has a ton of raw physical talent with zero football instinct -  IQ, I’ve never seen a player be so out of position so many times throughout a game.

[goldenboy81]

If a team is having success throwing the ball against the bills, usually they are targeting Edmunds

[RyanC883]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Here is Edmunds stats at the end of the year:

 

0 sacks. 0 forced fumbles. 0 fumble recoveries.

 

1 interception. 7 tackles for loss.

 

He is soft against the run. Looks lost half the time against the pass.

No one can ever convince me this guy is a good player.

 

 

 

so glad the magic Bean traded up for him.  

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, Billzgobowlin said:

I thought about this a lot the past day and we need a Josh Allen type player on defense.  This is worth multiple super bowls!!!!

Tredavious White is like Josh Allen on defense. But definitely need another player. Need a TJ Watt on d-line.

[Bob in STL]

16 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

if you don't like it, don't read it.  

I would not have if it wasn’t disguised as something else.   
 

Fun to watch - Josh vs Edmunds ?   yeah. I should not have wasted that 13 seconds.  

 

 

 

[pigpen65]

Edmunds reminds me so much of Sammy Watkins. Great athlete but not a football player. Beane has gotten credit for being willing to move on from his mistakes....... Cody Ford was a day 1 starter at guard this year, Addison started all year, and Edmunds started all year. I don't see it. 

[dorquemada]

draft the best pass covering MLB & CB we can get, edmunds can stay for 5th year but unless he gets dramatically better, no reason to keep him

 

He played last night like he had cement boots on.  His greatest attribute is picking the wrong gap.  It's like when you go to the grocery store.  my super power is consistently picking the slowest line

[LABILLBACKER]

39 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

Looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.

 

And there's the winning answer. 

[Billzgobowlin]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said:

Tredavious White is like Josh Allen on defense. But definitely need another player. Need a TJ Watt on d-line.

No doubt we missed him!!!!  I just think a high ceiling, Ray Lewis like MLB that can affect every play

[Cray51]

Edmunds will never be an appreciated player until he is gone and we have to fill the gap.  The defense was designed to leave the LB's out to dry last night, with safeties playing back and CB's covering zone.  Milano had just as bad a game if not worse than Edmunds.

 

Next year will be the decider for Edmunds.  Can he develop a better eye for attack and shoot the gap harder, or will he continue to be a good but not great MLB (which in McD's style, you need a great MLB).

[BeastMaster]

31 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

Id rather see him blitzing or playing man every single down. Move him over, he cant be the MLB of this team.

 

Watching him play zone and trying to process what is happening on the field is hard to watch. Hes always a second late to figure out whats going on.

 

Hes still a baby, so i wouldnt mind keeping him if we can get him on the cheap and hope he can continue to learn the game, but to pay him top 10-15 money would be absurd.

This.

 

He cannot and should not be the middle linebacker which is the brain of the defense. His instincts are *****, and that's exactly what you don't want at that position. 

 

He has value, but not at the price many think he'll command. 

 

Best bet is to move him for whatever you can get and use the money saved on someone who will have more impact

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Crazy thing about Edmunds is he’s only 23, but my god was he bad in coverage this year. Stats also support that notion. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Hughes moved from LB to DE.

Its time to move Edmunds to DE. He is hopeless as a LB but has size and speed to play a 4-3 DE. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

He did have one play where he rushed Mahommes and he showed off his speed, outside that though…

 

 

Just now, Ethan in Portland said:

Hughes moved from LB to DE.

Its time to move Edmunds to DE. He is hopeless as a LB but has size and speed to play a 4-3 DE. 

At least a Lorenzo Alexander type role. I’d be interested in seeing him at DE, but there’s more to it than being tall and fast. He’s a very ineffective blitzer thus far.

Was Hughes a LB in college?

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

I don't know about his smarts or lack of. My presumption is based on his role as defensive QB.  Maybe he's given that role because he's dead center in the defensive alignment and is in the best position to communicate assignments coming to him through the helmet radio.

I’ll just say I watch all the player interviews and I see a big difference in how he answers questions versus most of the other Team leaders… 

[SoMAn]

6 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’ll just say I watch all the player interviews and I see a big difference in how he answers questions versus most of the other Team leaders… 

Maybe. But sometimes shyness or general discomfort in from of the cameras and press could easily be misconstrued as lacking intelligence.  For whatever reason, the people who make personnel decisions have a lot of faith in him - at least that's the public face. How they handle future contract or trade offers will tell the true tale.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

Maybe. But sometimes shyness or general discomfort in from of the cameras and press could easily be misconstrued as lacking intelligence.  For whatever reason, the people who make personnel decisions have a lot of faith in him - at least that's the public face. How they handle future contract or trade offers will tell the true tale.

I’ve tried to give the benefit of the doubt, and certainly have had plenty of disagreement with the folks that don’t understand the MLB role in this scheme and blame him for every running play as if it’s the 1972 middle linebacker scheme.  I’ve bought into the pro bowls and the he’s still young mantra. But I’m all for going after some one that is a playmaker in the middle of the defense. 

[NewEra]

Josh is a god.  Now official.

 

Tremaine doesn’t have the hips to play in coverage.  When he has to flip his hips, turn and run he falls all over himself 50% of the time.  

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

He did have one play where he rushed Mahommes and he showed off his speed, outside that though…

 

 

At least a Lorenzo Alexander type role. I’d be interested in seeing him at DE, but there’s more to it than being tall and fast. He’s a very ineffective blitzer thus far.

Was Hughes a LB in college?

No.  Tremaine is the worst pass rusher on the team.  He rushes, gets blocked and stays blocked while getting little push.  He’ll never be a good DE unless you want your DE to suck at playing DE

[In Summary]

3 hours ago, Ramza86 said:

Id rather see him blitzing or playing man every single down. Move him over, he cant be the MLB of this team.

 

Watching him play zone and trying to process what is happening on the field is hard to watch. Hes always a second late to figure out whats going on.

 

Hes still a baby, so i wouldnt mind keeping him if we can get him on the cheap and hope he can continue to learn the game, but to pay him top 10-15 money would be absurd.

His blitzes are only successful when unopposed.  Lacks violent hands at point if attack. Can't bull rush anybody.