dabillz Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) Scenario: Kicking off up 3 with 13 seconds left. 100% Fail Proof strategy for dummies: 1. Kick the ball out the back of the end zone. 2. 1st down at 25 w/ 13 seconds: Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense- 5 yard penalty- 3. 1st down at 30 with 8 seconds:. Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense-5 yard penalty 4. 1st down at the 35 with 4 seconds: Knock down the Hail Mary. 5. Host AFC Championship vs. Bengals 6. Win 1st Superbowl vs Rams 7. No longer losers. Edited January 24, 2022 by dabillz 13 1 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 McDermott must feel like the dumbest SOB on the planet this morning. I hope it fuels him moving forward, but I'm done with him regardless. I can't watch this guy let down the team and waste Allen's greatness for another second 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Maybe go for 2 make them score a TD to beat y! Sure you miss they can win with FG but than ya employ the don’t let him get free mode 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedbuffaloblue Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, dabillz said: Scenario: Kicking off up 3 with 13 seconds left. 100% Fail Proof strategy for dummies: 1. Kick the ball out the back of the end zone. 2. 1st down at 25 w/ 13 seconds: Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense- 5 yard penalty- 3. 1st down at 30 with 8 seconds:. Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense-5 yard penalty 4. 1st down at the 35 with 4 seconds: Knock down the Hail Mary. 5. Host AFC Championship vs. Bengals 6. Win 1st Superbowl vs Rams 7. No longer losers. I honestly said basically the same thing to my wife before the Chiefs lined up at the 25. Just take defensive holding penalties until the clock runs out! Tackle the guys at the LOS if need be. Although I would have squib kicked that kickoff. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanThru-N-Thru Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 10 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: Maybe go for 2 make them score a TD to beat y! Sure you miss they can win with FG but than ya employ the don’t let him get free mode What ya talking about? They did go for 2 so that they would be up by 3 after the last TD 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said: What ya talking about? They did go for 2 so that they would be up by 3 after the last TD No that was to go up 29-26. When the Bills scored with 14 seconds left it is was 35-33. I don't agree with going for 2 on that play though. Chiefs return it and it's tied. Chiefs potentially can win with the FG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, BillsFanThru-N-Thru said: What ya talking about? They did go for 2 so that they would be up by 3 after the last TD Not on last TD Just now, dma0034 said: No that was to go up 29-26. When the Bills scored with 14 seconds left it is was 35-33. I don't agree with going for 2 on that play though. Chiefs return it and it's tied. Chiefs potentially can win with the FG. Rather lose that way making them score a TD a if ya get the 2 than lose because of a coin flip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 minute ago, Xwnyer said: Not on last TD Rather lose that way making them score a TD a if ya get the 2 than lose because of a coin flip! Josh says Heads instead of Tails and we may be feeling a different kind of way right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, dma0034 said: Josh says Heads instead of Tails and we may be feeling a different kind of way right now OT in playoffs needs to be changed each team should get a possession and if still tied first score wins Edited January 24, 2022 by Xwnyer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Total prevent when they had KC had 3 timeouts, errrrrr !!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: OT in playoffs needs to be changed each team should get a possession and if still tied first score wins Now that becomes tricky. Lets say that was the rule right now. Bills get the ball back and score. You realistically have to go for 2 because you can't risk giving the ball back to the Chiefs and the entire game comes down to that. Imo: Each team gets one possession to score. If both teams score it goes to a Hockey Shootout type. Start at the 2 yard line and see who scores (only one play) and these stats don't count towards TDs or anything. Move it two yards after every successful conversion. So: Chiefs have the ball at the 2: score Bills have the ball at the 2: score Chiefs now have the ball at the 4 I honestly think it's the only way it's fair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: OT in playoffs needs to be changed each team should get a possession and if still tied first score wins Another 15 minute quarter would be the fairest way to settle things when it is all on the line in the playoffs Edited January 24, 2022 by bmur66 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, dabillz said: Scenario: Kicking off up 3 with 13 seconds left. 100% Fail Proof strategy for dummies: 1. Kick the ball out the back of the end zone. 2. 1st down at 25 w/ 13 seconds: Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense- 5 yard penalty- 3. 1st down at 30 with 8 seconds:. Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense-5 yard penalty 4. 1st down at the 35 with 4 seconds: Knock down the Hail Mary. 5. Host AFC Championship vs. Bengals 6. Win 1st Superbowl vs Rams 7. No longer losers. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/3/28/15066542/nfl-rule-prevent-team-burning-clock-repeated-intentional-penalties Your scenario would have gave the chefs the ball at our 45 with no clock or timeouts used. Let's do one that doesn't make us look like dummies now. 1. Kick ball high and just short of goal line forcing a return. You know like we've done all year long. 2. Play the cover two defense you've played all game long except only rush one or two or just have them spy the QB. 3. Double hill and Kelce. 4. Celebrate good times come on Edited January 24, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffbigalls Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 17 minutes ago, Xwnyer said: OT in playoffs needs to be changed each team should get a possession and if still tied first score wins No it doesn't the rule is just fine, you gotta stop the team that wins the toss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 20 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said: No it doesn't the rule is just fine, you gotta stop the team that wins the toss. Its not fine compared to college rules which makes it both more fair and exciting at the same time. Its not even close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 You don't go deep coverage when a team is looking for room. This is a problem with old DC they don't realize prevent defense doesn't work anymore. Frazier needs to be gone and they need to get younger at the coaching area. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Our defense was toast because of stupid playcalling earlier I knew it was going to happen. F@#$! all the coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cage Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 38 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/3/28/15066542/nfl-rule-prevent-team-burning-clock-repeated-intentional-penalties Your scenario would have gave the chefs the ball at our 45 with no clock or timeouts used. Let's do one that doesn't make us look like dummies now. 1. Kick ball high and just short of goal line forcing a return. You know like we've done all year long. 2. Play the cover two defense you've played all game long except only rush one or two or just have them spy the QB. 3. Double hill and Kelce. 4. Celebrate good times come on Good clarification. Wasn't aware of that rule as I had thought of the exact same strategy. I guess I should get some sleep.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Just now, cage said: Good clarification. Wasn't aware of that rule as I had thought of the exact same strategy. I guess I should get some sleep.... All good. It's a newish rule that don't get a lot of publicity and rarely happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 WR's don't all line up on the LOS and they could use bunch formations or release one or two from the back field. Just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, dabillz said: Scenario: Kicking off up 3 with 13 seconds left. 100% Fail Proof strategy for dummies: 1. Kick the ball out the back of the end zone. 2. 1st down at 25 w/ 13 seconds: Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense- 5 yard penalty- 3. 1st down at 30 with 8 seconds:. Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense-5 yard penalty 4. 1st down at the 35 with 4 seconds: Knock down the Hail Mary. 5. Host AFC Championship vs. Bengals 6. Win 1st Superbowl vs Rams 7. No longer losers. Holding you still have to stop the pass and also have to pray they don’t call PI instead and get a 30 yards down the field play. They don’t blow the play dead for D holding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Don’t forget to rush only 2, and drop 9 into coverage...Thanks McDummy... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Da webster guy said: Its not fine compared to college rules which makes it both more fair and exciting at the same time. Its not even close. He is a Pats fan. And an obnoxious one. He will get himself banned or suspended from posting today if I had to guess. I will say this. If I was a Pats fan I’d be even more concerned. The Pats aren’t even in the same league as the Chiefs and Bills and never will be with Jones. Edited January 24, 2022 by atlbillsfan1975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 32 minutes ago, TBBills said: You don't go deep coverage when a team is looking for room. This is a problem with old DC they don't realize prevent defense doesn't work anymore. Frazier needs to be gone and they need to get younger at the coaching area. What do you mean it doesn't work anymore? We've been watching the Bills give up leads with the prevent defense for years now. It worked exactly like it always does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBob Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 1 hour ago, artmalibu said: Total prevent when they had KC had 3 timeouts, errrrrr !!!! Ding ding ding. Winner, winner, chicken dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 55 minutes ago, Jeffbigalls said: No it doesn't the rule is just fine, you gotta stop the team that wins the toss. I think this is an outdated opinion. The NFL has changed all rules basically outlawing most defense. When you get to the playoffs most teams will be competent enough to score on every drive when you have the game on the line. Just look at the finish of every game this weekend. Therefore the current OT rule with the current NFL offensive push, basically means the winner of the toss wins the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/3/28/15066542/nfl-rule-prevent-team-burning-clock-repeated-intentional-penalties Your scenario would have gave the chefs the ball at our 45 with no clock or timeouts used. Let's do one that doesn't make us look like dummies now. 1. Kick ball high and just short of goal line forcing a return. You know like we've done all year long. 2. Play the cover two defense you've played all game long except only rush one or two or just have them spy the QB. 3. Double hill and Kelce. 4. Celebrate good times come on did you even read the rule? you don't want to look like a dummy You can tackle all the receivers once. The clock runs down during the play and you get a 5 yard penalty. If you do it again it is a 15 yard and no time off clock. They could have done it on first down and run however much time Mahomes allows to run off the clock. He might have run around wasting time or took off running. Time run off the clock and only a 5 yard penalty. Then they have one play left to get in fg position from their own 30. If they had kicked it off high to the 10 even more time is off the clock or worse field position. The coaches make millions and didn't even know enough to do that. That was such a weak and pathetic defense. KC conceded nothing and the Bills fought for every yard down the stretch. Then the coaches just play 25 yards deep and hand them the game with virtually no resistance. These coaches embarrassed themselves for life and we will have to hear about it and see it over and over again for many years. They completely failed the team, the city and its fans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Turk71 said: did you even read the rule? you don't want to look like a dummy You can tackle all the receivers once. The clock runs down during the play and you get a 5 yard penalty. If you do it again it is a 15 yard and no time off clock. They could have done it on first down and run however much time Mahomes allows to run off the clock. He might have run around wasting time or took off running. Time run off the clock and only a 5 yard penalty. Then they have one play left to get in fg position from their own 30. If they had kicked it off high to the 10 even more time is off the clock or worse field position. The coaches make millions and didn't even know enough to do that. That was such a weak and pathetic defense. KC conceded nothing and the Bills fought for every yard down the stretch. Then the coaches just play 25 yards deep and hand them the game with virtually no resistance. These coaches embarrassed themselves for life and we will have to hear about it and see it over and over again for many years. They completely failed the team, the city and its fans. Read it again. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/3/28/15066542/nfl-rule-prevent-team-burning-clock-repeated-intentional-penalties Edited January 24, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said: Read it again. apologies if I'm wrong but the interpretation I read earlier is the first time it's 5 yards. The 2nd time (it's still the same down) it's 15 and time back. I've seen defenses commit multiple fouls on the same play a hundred times and that 15 yard and time put back never applied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Turk71 said: apologies if I'm wrong but the interpretation I read earlier is the first time it's 5 yards. The 2nd time (it's still the same down) it's 15 and time back. I've seen defenses commit multiple fouls on the same play a hundred times and that 15 yard and time put back never applied. How much time was left. This rule is to stop teams from commiting penalties to run out the clock. That's what you and others wanted them to do. That's a penalty. I've put the link in a bunch of posts. Edited January 24, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 13 seconds that will live in Buffalo Bills infamy... Simply...make...them...return...the...kickoff...to...eat...time...off...the...clock! Now they might not have time to throw deep down the middle and get into a huddle to get that FG. The Chiefs have TWO star receivers, Kelce and Hill...double both...jam them at the line! Not hold, jam them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damj Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, dabillz said: Scenario: Kicking off up 3 with 13 seconds left. 100% Fail Proof strategy for dummies: 1. Kick the ball out the back of the end zone. 2. 1st down at 25 w/ 13 seconds: Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense- 5 yard penalty- 3. 1st down at 30 with 8 seconds:. Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense-5 yard penalty 4. 1st down at the 35 with 4 seconds: Knock down the Hail Mary. 5. Host AFC Championship vs. Bengals 6. Win 1st Superbowl vs Rams 7. No longer losers. Wrong. The clock resets after a holding penalty, we wouldn't be taking time off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 They also could've held Kelce up for 3 seconds instead of letting him get to the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, dabillz said: Scenario: Kicking off up 3 with 13 seconds left. 100% Fail Proof strategy for dummies: 1. Kick the ball out the back of the end zone. 2. 1st down at 25 w/ 13 seconds: Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense- 5 yard penalty- 3. 1st down at 30 with 8 seconds:. Hold all eligible receivers at line of scrimmage (and don't let go) Yes, intentionally hold them before the pass. Penalty-holding defense-5 yard penalty 4. 1st down at the 35 with 4 seconds: Knock down the Hail Mary. 5. Host AFC Championship vs. Bengals 6. Win 1st Superbowl vs Rams 7. No longer losers. The first time you'd probably get away with it. The second time you likely get a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and have the clock reset under a rule implemented after 2017 where the Ravens held a team and wouldn't let them get set to snap the ball. Makes any intentional act for the purpose of running time off the clock an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and resets the clock. Edited January 24, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) In order to hold a receiver, you have to catch a receiver. What happens if Hill or Hardman get a step on you after you whiffed holding them? Edited January 24, 2022 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 You don't even need to intentionally hold them. Just put someone in there face and be real aggressive about letting them loose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 2 hours ago, Xwnyer said: Maybe go for 2 make them score a TD to beat y! Sure you miss they can win with FG but than ya employ the don’t let him get free mode I honestly thought about this, but won’t fault them for not doing it. Isn’t that similar to what the Bengals did a few weeks ago?.. not exactly the same, but they risked the safe bet to avoid giving Mahomes a chance. Our defense literally played defense like the Chiefs needed a TD, so I guess we might as well have tried to make that so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Heck just drop all 11 into coverage. Mahomes would have to wait for someone to open up or run for 10 yards. Either way its better than giving up chunks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igotbills Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 What about dropping every single defender into coverage? Make Mahomes hold the ball an extra second or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Who was back for KC on kickoff? If Hill was back there I could see why they kicked it out of end zone. But anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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