How many chances does McDermott have left?

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

I mean, this would be more on Beane then Mcclapinslap.  We were built to beat the Chiefs but the defensive speed is nowhere near their level.  Should have tried some in season improvements.  Not that I advocate moving on from him but we're just a red c hair away from the Chiefs level.

Beane and McD are in lockstep and Beane didn’t refuse to squib kick.   Beane didn’t tell them to inexplicably play prevent, Guard the sideline (when Chiefs had TO’s) and defend against a Hail Mary for no reason.  

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

Because Buffalo is a Small Market and seemingly liked by many of the National Media/Twitter world…

 

…Tonight’s game will not go as badly for them as it might have if a team from (see below) lost after having a lead with 00:13 left:

 

New York

New York

New England

Chicago

Dallas

Los Angeles

Cleveland

 

In this instance being a likeable small market will help shield the team from the outcome this past weekend.

[SydneyBillsFan]

Epic culture and locker room coach.

 

Below average to, at times, abysmal game day coach.

 

That said - the good heavily outweighs the bad. He stays.

[Rick 'r Mortis]

He keeps getting to the playoffs.

 

So an infinite amount?

[Big Blitz]

Our defense gave up 144 total points against the following teams:

 

 

Chiefs (two games)

Titans 

Colts

Bucs

 

5 total games.  

 

29 ppg against real offenses. 

 

 

 

 

289 total regular season points allowed. 

 

102 of them vs the above 4 teams.  25.5 ppg allowed.  

 

 

187 points in the other 13 games.  About 14 ppg allowed against crap offenses.  

Edited January 24, 2022 by Big Blitz

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, Rick 'r Mortis said:

He keeps getting to the playoffs.

 

So an infinite amount?

Wrong. Allen and our offense keeps getting to the playoffs. Allen could literally call all the plays on offense and defense and still be in the playoffs. 

[Milanos Milano]

6 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

What if the bad means Allen never has a shot at a championship?

If I was an owner of a NFL team, at some point I’m asking my star QB to sit down with me for a secret meeting. I’m directly asking him what he needs to win a super bowl and that nothing he says will be held against him. If he truly feels his coaches aren’t good enough, then so be it, say it. We all known Allen is elite, we can see it with our eyes. Something doesn’t feel right. 

[london_bills]

6 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

If I was an owner of a NFL team, at some point I’m asking my star QB to sit down with me for a secret meeting. I’m directly asking him what he needs to win a super bowl and that nothing he says will be held against him. If he truly feels his coaches aren’t good enough, then so be it, say it. We all known Allen is elite, we can see it with our eyes. Something doesn’t feel right. 

Yes. But if so I dont think you do it in secret. I think you have the conversation with QB, coach, gm independently. 

[Rick 'r Mortis]

17 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said:

Wrong. Allen and our offense keeps getting to the playoffs. Allen could literally call all the plays on offense and defense and still be in the playoffs. 

I realise that. I'm just posting a reply to the thread title.

 

It's the truth.

[phypon]

Not sure if it's already been posted, I didn't read the entire thread.  McD should stay for a while.  I see him as a coach that has evolved.  Going for it on all of the 4th downs he has this past season seems "out of character" for him...in a good way.  He seems like a guy that is okay with not being stubborn.  He's a coach that seems to be able to "adapt" and I think that is a great quality.  He brings/has brought a lot to this franchise.

[BeastMaster]

1 minute ago, phypon said:

Not sure if it's already been posted, I didn't read the entire thread.  McD should stay for a while.  I see him as a coach that has evolved.  Going for it on all of the 4th downs he has this past season seems "out of character" for him...in a good way.  He seems like a guy that is okay with not being stubborn.  He's a coach that seems to be able to "adapt" and I think that is a great quality.  He brings/has brought a lot to this franchise.

I said it after his complete failure in the first NE game (which cost us this game at home FWIW) that McDermott will never get this team to the big game, and he has only further cemented my belief with his epic failure with 13 seconds left to secure the victory by using the squib kick.

 

McDermott brings something to the table, but it's not supreme coaching ability to match his all world QB.

 

Too many Bills fans are like their coach and are afraid to not accept failure and reach for greatness.

 

Josh Allen and company deserve better

 

 

[london_bills]

2 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I said it after his complete failure in the first NE game (which cost us this game at home FWIW) that McDermott will never get this team to the big game, and he has only further cemented my belief with his epic failure with 13 seconds left to secure the victory by using the squib kick.

 

McDermott brings something to the table, but it's not supreme coaching ability to match his all world QB.

 

Too many Bills fans are like their coach and are afraid to not accept failure and reach for greatness.

 

Josh Allen and company deserve better

 

 

Josh Allen slipping in Tennessee also cost us this game at home probably. (Not blaming Allen, it's luck). 

 

Too many bills fans are impatient and cant see that this already good coach has improved continually

 

McDermott and Co deserve more time, they have earned it through improved results and developing josh allen. 

 

Yes Mcd has made mistakes aswell. He is not perfect but a very good coach who has gotten better. He has beaten Belichick, Reid, Harbaugh, Tomlin and Mcvay.

 

We are all disappointed in the result. 

[phypon]

6 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

I said it after his complete failure in the first NE game (which cost us this game at home FWIW) that McDermott will never get this team to the big game, and he has only further cemented my belief with his epic failure with 13 seconds left to secure the victory by using the squib kick.

 

McDermott brings something to the table, but it's not supreme coaching ability to match his all world QB.

 

Too many Bills fans are like their coach and are afraid to not accept failure and reach for greatness.

 

Josh Allen and company deserve better

 

 

I understand your point, I really do.  I think he deserves 2 more years though.  I've been more harsh on the coordinators up to this point.  I do think McD should have taken over the D for this game.  I think (if he didn't) that if he didn't it was because he wanted to give Frasier a chance to prove himself because he's a HC'ing candidate.  Pure speculation on my part obviously.  I do think that Frasier should be gone after this one no matter what.  As for McD, I give him a 1 or 2 year pass.  This one really, really hurts.  

[Thriftygamer83]

Sean McDermott has snapped the drought, lifted us much higher then we'd actually be, and has gotten the most out of his players.  It's understandable people are frustrated.  People hate Outta Control Andy for his Coaching of eye gouges, punches, and kicks.  The officials let that happen last year and this year as well.  There's now ay they wanted KC to lose that one and allowed defensive players to get throttled.  

[longtimebillsfan]

34.

[Rebel101]

8 hours ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Literally no one outside this forum believes this. National media is raving about this game. 

McDermott is a defensive minded coach and I’ve never seen a team give up so many yards and lose so many games under 2 minutes. We play so ***** soft on D and every time the other team comes right down the field for a W I said this a long time ago. McDermott is a soft hearted man with no killer instinct n I told you we will never win with him as our coach everyone said I was crazy 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

1 hour ago, Thriftygamer83 said:

Sean McDermott has snapped the drought, lifted us much higher then we'd actually be, and has gotten the most out of his players.  It's understandable people are frustrated.  People hate Outta Control Andy for his Coaching of eye gouges, punches, and kicks.  The officials let that happen last year and this year as well.  There's now ay they wanted KC to lose that one and allowed defensive players to get throttled.  

He’s still soft allowing teams to win games with less then a minute left is becoming a McDermott trait. N Daboll took the ball out of Allen’s hands after we held them to a field goal. This coaching staff makes so many game day mistakes 

[RobbRiddick]

Reminds me of Buddy Ryan's quote after the Eagles fired him after another playoff exit: "I've been fired for losing before, this is the first time I was fired for winning"

Edited January 24, 2022 by RobbRiddick

[foreboding]

8 hours ago, Igotbills said:

 

I have followed this board a long time, just don’t post. I think it’s a good question and worth a discussion. Do you think no change is needed if we lose again to kc next year? 

Did you enjoy the previous 20 years?

 

We lost in an historically absurd game to an opposing qb who also played perfect.

 

Maybe you're thinking a coin toss to decide McDermott future??

[pigpen65]

How does he have any respect from his players after this? The offensive guys will be pissed that such an incredible effort was wasted. The defensive guys will be pissed that he coached so gutless and scared that they were in prevent with 13 seconds left guarding the endzone. I think he dug his own grave last night. A coach's word just doesn't mean as much after losing a game the way they lost last night. Cowardly 

[Trogdor]

8 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

McDermott is just not a very clever coach. We all applaud him for his process and culture burgers that he cooks up. But how awful was our D tonight. The only D lineman that gave a damn tonight was Ed with 1 sack and 2 TFL's. Oliver also got held 3-4 times as Hussey ignored it. Our pass rushing DE's should take that embarrassment question from Sullivan. I don't know what to make of Clappy anymore. Squib the f ing ball dumbass.

The inability of the right side to contain has killed the Bills for years. Jerry Hughes looked like a slow rookie on the Mahomes TD run. Also, deciding Levi Wallace is enough finally bit them big. 

[longtimebillsfan]

8 hours ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

I would have fired him if we stumbled and didn’t make the playoffs. This loss will stick to him forever. He gets 1 more year and if they don’t get to the super bowl he’s gone. You cannot waste years when you have this much talent on the team. 
 

ive disliked McDermott since he punted the ball in the colts snow game years ago when we needed to win the game and not tie. We got a miracle to go our way and we won the game but right then and there I never felt fully comfortable that this is the guy that is going to win a Super Bowl. It’s ok he got the team on the right track but I’m not going to sit back and let this guy make ridiculously bad late game decisions year after year. 

Who do you replace him with.  He turned around a miserable franchise.   4 playoffs in 5 years.  You want him gone if no SB next year?????

 

You may want to change your name to overreactbillsfan1.

 

We should follow the Steelers example for handling head coaches.  Changing head coaches every few years doesn't work.  We have a great coach.   He will continue to learn and develop. 

[Trogdor]

1 hour ago, phypon said:

I understand your point, I really do.  I think he deserves 2 more years though.  I've been more harsh on the coordinators up to this point.  I do think McD should have taken over the D for this game.  I think (if he didn't) that if he didn't it was because he wanted to give Frasier a chance to prove himself because he's a HC'ing candidate.  Pure speculation on my part obviously.  I do think that Frasier should be gone after this one no matter what.  As for McD, I give him a 1 or 2 year pass.  This one really, really hurts.  

What makes you think he didn't take over? McD was fired by Reid for a reason. He only had 1 good scoring defense before he came to the Bills and that team got absolutely wrecked in the biggest game. He isn't the defensive guru that some people make him out to be. 

[BuffaloRebound]

5 minutes ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Who do you replace him with.  He turned around a miserable franchise.   4 playoffs in 5 years.  You want him gone if no SB next year?????

 

You may want to change your name to overreactbillsfan1.

 

We should follow the Steelers example for handling head coaches.  Changing head coaches every few years doesn't work.  We have a great coach.   He will continue to learn and develop. 

I’m beyond pissed at the complete meltdown by the coaching in those 13 seconds but this is a good take.  But McDermott has to stop playing scared or we will never win the big one.  And same with Beane and not adding a piece to put us over the top.  Scared from top to bottom.  

[Coach Tuesday]

They’ll probably fire the ST coordinator as a sacrificial lamb but otherwise there won’t be any consequences from last night.

 

McDermott is Mike Zimmer with a better QB.  He’s well-organized and focused but lacks elite intelligence or strategic thinking.  That means he’ll need elite coordinators and he doesn’t have those right now although Daboll is close.  
 

McDermott’s natural tendency is to avoid risks and wait for the other team to mess up.  His players on defense have taken in that mentality - they would rather sit back and wait for the contact than aggressively attack the ball.  Hence getting dragged for five yards routinely. This is the personality of their coach: do your job, stay disciplined, hope for the best.

 

Frankly above all else it’s just - lame.

 

But at the end of the day, always remember these guys are basically high-achieving gym teachers.  

Edited January 24, 2022 by Coach Tuesday

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

DC Tom, we need you!

[longtimebillsfan]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I’m beyond pissed at the complete meltdown by the coaching in those 13 seconds but this is a good take.  But McDermott has to stop playing scared or we will never win the big one.  And same with Beane and not adding a piece to put us over the top.  Scared from top to bottom.  

Keep mind this is the first Job as HC and GM for McBeane.  They have done a great job so far, but they will keep improving.

Edited January 24, 2022 by longtimebillsfan

[cgg716]

This is harder than many on this board seem to believe. 2 things are true, McDermott is a good coach…. And McDermott is a scared coach, who point blank period doesn’t trust his players to make plays until he is left with no other option. This game should have been in Buffalo, he coached terrified on MNF, lost to Jacksonville, and got boat raced by Carson Wentz. Every game he coaches waiting for the other team to make an error, instead of letting his players make plays. It’s how we lost those games above and how we lost tonight. The inexcusable 4th and 1 punt, the run call before it, many run plays half. The entire defensive scheme, 13 seconds most of all. All of it, was in the hopes that they would make the mistake. He coaches to take the game out of his players hands. The kind of mindset that just might be, good, but never good enough 

[phypon]

15 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

What makes you think he didn't take over? McD was fired by Reid for a reason. He only had 1 good scoring defense before he came to the Bills and that team got absolutely wrecked in the biggest game. He isn't the defensive guru that some people make him out to be. 

I don't know if he took over or not.  Kind of said that in my post.  If he did take over, I hope we find out.  Would be good info to have.  On the flip side, if he did take over, we need a new DC more than ever.

[Trogdor]

Just now, phypon said:

I don't know if he took over or not.  Kind of said that in my post.  If he did take over, I hope we find out.  Would be good info to have.  On the flip side, if he did take over, we need a new DC more than ever.

I don't think he would ever admit it. Harbough is one of the few coaches that openly talks about their mistakes. McD is more of a "we're not gonna talk about the specifics"

[PastaJoe]

McD is like Mike Tomlin. The owners like him, so until the Bills have a couple of losing seasons he’ll have the job.

[pocoboy]

2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

What makes you think he didn't take over? McD was fired by Reid for a reason. He only had 1 good scoring defense before he came to the Bills and that team got absolutely wrecked in the biggest game. He isn't the defensive guru that some people make him out to be. 

 

Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Indy. Those losses, two at home, completely murdered this season. I don't think this game is as close if the Bills are at home. But there was some kind of dysfunction through the Tampa game. Maybe it the vaccine distractions. Maybe it was some personnel troubles on the OL. Maybe there were some other locker room dramatics. Whatever the case, yes, they smoked a number of the lesser teams on their schedule. But they were not physically prepared in the three games I listed first. And I'd also add that I think the coaching staff slow played a lot of the early season to mask their preferred play calls/formations/strategies.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

and got boat raced by Carson Wentz.

Is 'boat raced' anything like 'motorboated'? 🤔

[Dopey]

9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

There will be a ton of Bills fans who disagree with you here, mostly because they are afraid we will screw up the hiring of his replacement.

So they assume better to stick with the one you know forever.

Some men remain married to the wrong woman for 30 years based on the same thinking.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

There will be a ton of Bills fans who disagree with you here, mostly because they are afraid we will screw up the hiring of his replacement.

So they assume better to stick with the one you know forever.

Some men remain married to the wrong woman for 30 years based on the same thinking.

 

 

Thanks for speaking for the "ton" of Bills fans. Tons vs the vocal few MORONS who just complain about any and everything. I stopped checking here during the game cuz the vocal few MORONS sap the joy out of watching what was a great game. Some of you must live miserable lives. You know who you are.

Labillbacker is a prime example. "The only dlinemen that gave a damn tonight was Ed" mostly negative crap, even in victory. All season long. 

Was quite refreshing not to read crap like that while actually enjoying a great football game.

PEACE.

[Big Blitz]

11 minutes ago, cgg716 said:

This is harder than many on this board seem to believe. 2 things are true, McDermott is a good coach…. And McDermott is a scared coach, who point blank period doesn’t trust his players to make plays until he is left with no other option. This game should have been in Buffalo, he coached terrified on MNF, lost to Jacksonville, and got boat raced by Carson Wentz. Every game he coaches waiting for the other team to make an error, instead of letting his players make plays. It’s how we lost those games above and how we lost tonight. The inexcusable 4th and 1 punt, the run call before it, many run plays half. The entire defensive scheme, 13 seconds most of all. All of it, was in the hopes that they would make the mistake. He coaches to take the game out of his players hands. The kind of mindset that just might be, good, but never good enough 

 

 

 

It's more then this.

 

We have TOO MANY HOLES we have had 4 plus Years to fill - especially on both lines.   

 

Picking 2 DEs back to back is so embarrassing looking back now.  

 

I won't make a big deal that we could have just drafted Justin Jefferson - Beane is perfect and Diggs was the only option.  Don't question it.  It's sacrilegious around here.  

 

There are more misses then hits now.   

 

Losses and setbacks happened this year that should not have. 

 

 

Josh Allen.  This whole dam team is Josh Allen.  

Edited January 24, 2022 by Big Blitz

[harryS]

there can't be zero punishment even if we don't fire him.

 

what if mcdermott made a public apology to the fans and the team and admit that he was a bonehead for the 13 seconds?  then, he outlines a plan to improve his situational game management.  the pegulas will hire some nerd to write a software that simulates gameday decision making, and mcdermott promises to spend 8 hours a day on the simulator until it's ingrained into him and he instinctively and immediately knows the best decisions to make for every situation.  so 13 seconds comes up again? his brain goes beep-bop-boop, squib kick and taking holding penalties to kill the clock.

 

even the most heartless of us who want McD fired will probably accept a public apology and a plan of action to improve his loser instincts for situational game management.

the more I think about it, the more I like it.

 

a public apology that tells the truth of the bungling of the 13 seconds, and a realistic plan of action to improve.

 

that's what allows this relationship to continue.  otherwise, the fans and team won't ever fully trust this head coach again.

[Doc]

Josh is a championship QB.  Based off of last night, McD isn't a championship HC.  He gets a few more seasons to change my mind and take them to the promised land.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Doc

[HOUSE]

McD will be here long after I am dead. Please knock on my coffin 3 times should anything change

[Rocbillsfan1]

3 hours ago, longtimebillsfan said:

Who do you replace him with.  He turned around a miserable franchise.   4 playoffs in 5 years.  You want him gone if no SB next year?????

 

You may want to change your name to overreactbillsfan1.

 

We should follow the Steelers example for handling head coaches.  Changing head coaches every few years doesn't work.  We have a great coach.   He will continue to learn and develop. 

And what do you do if he doesn’t learn his lesson again next year? You only have so long of a window with some of this group. Ten years from now Josh may still be here but most wont. This happens all the time with coaches when they come into a bad program and they turn the culture around and they get everyone to buy into working hard but they aren’t good enough to take the team to the promise land. So yes if the Bills don’t get past KC again next year then the biggest thing that needs to change is McDermott. 

[KOKBILLS]

McD is not going anywhere any time soon...

 

But that does not take him off the hook for those 13 seconds...That was a debacle and it's his job to figure out how to win when you have a 91% probability to do so...This loss is squarely on the Coaching staff...The game was won...And they blew it...

[longtimebillsfan]

23 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

And what do you do if he doesn’t learn his lesson again next year? You only have so long of a window with some of this group. Ten years from now Josh may still be here but most wont. This happens all the time with coaches when they come into a bad program and they turn the culture around and they get everyone to buy into working hard but they aren’t good enough to take the team to the promise land. So yes if the Bills don’t get past KC again next year then the biggest thing that needs to change is McDermott. 

I believe McDermott should be our coach for the long term. 

 

You and I just have opposing views.