YoloinOhio Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Definitely similarly twitchy. Our offense is much more versatile with McKenzie regularly involved. 5 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Let's make McKenzie the Bills Tyreek Hill instead of the scout team Tyreek Hill!! 18 10 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Definitely similarly twitchy. Our offense is much more versatile with McKenzie regularly involved. Similar for sure but Hill has those after burners that McKenzie doesn't. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 18 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Similar for sure but Hill has those after burners that McKenzie doesn't. Yeah - Hill is a fast dude. This year they've been forced to use him a bit differently. Yards per target and average depth of target are both way down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 I wonder if he can cover Hill....? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 36 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Definitely similarly twitchy. Our offense is much more versatile with McKenzie regularly involved. Agreed. I was so confused to why they just stopped using him in the playoffs last year and the first 3/4 of this season for the most part. Up until the 2nd patriot game he had 11 targets (7 catches) and 6 rushes. That’s a ridiculously low number of touches for someone with his ability. I’ve been saying it all year, he needs to be part of the offense as well as a long term part of this franchise. He’s everything you want in a player minus the fumbles. 5 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, TPS said: I wonder if he can cover Hill....? "Not a crazy idea..." 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleSammy Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: Agreed. I was so confused to why they just stopped using him in the playoffs last year and the first 3/4 of this season for the most part. Up until the 2nd patriot game he had 11 targets (7 catches) and 6 rushes. That’s a ridiculously low number of touches for someone with his ability. I’ve been saying it all year, he needs to be part of the offense as well as a long term part of this franchise. He’s everything you want in a player minus the fumbles. McKenzie is a free agent after this year. New England has a good chunk of cap space next year. After what McKenzie did to them this past year, let's hope Belichick or some other team doesn't try to steal him away with a huge $$ offer. If Beasley is indeed gone next year, we need McKenzie to move in and take over his role on the team. 6 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, LittleSammy said: McKenzie is a free agent after this year. New England has a good chunk of cap space next year. After what McKenzie did to them this past year, let's hope Belichick or some other team doesn't try to steal him away with a huge $$ offer. If Beasley is indeed gone next year, we need McKenzie to move in and take over his role on the team. the pats have 2.5M in cap space. he’s going to get a “huge money offer”? I think you have a strange definition of huge money offer. I don’t see him signing with the pats. Little to no chance imo. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 McKenzie should play Tyreek Hill on the regular Bills offense! 12 minutes ago, LittleSammy said: McKenzie is a free agent after this year. New England has a good chunk of cap space next year. After what McKenzie did to them this past year, let's hope Belichick or some other team doesn't try to steal him away with a huge $$ offer. If Beasley is indeed gone next year, we need McKenzie to move in and take over his role on the team. Not NE. If they spend significant money on a WR, it will for a WR1. McKenzie has untapped potential but I don’t think that’s his ceiling. Ironically his hometown team Miami was interested last season and offered him a deal close to what Buffalo did, which is why he re-signed. I can see them making him a big offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Similar for sure but Hill has those after burners that McKenzie doesn't. I agree. Isaiah is fast (4.40) but Tyreek (4.29) has an extra gear and twitchiness that McKittrick doesn't have. I'd still give him a ton of touches this Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said: I agree. Isaiah is fast (4.40) but Tyreek (4.29) has an extra gear and twitchiness that McKittrick doesn't have. I'd still give him a ton of touches this Sunday. I think the big difference between the two is in their straight line speed, but both players have insanely fast acceleration and twitchiness. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Re-sign McKenzie 8 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FilthyBeast Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Honestly this is probably a great simulation because of the speed factor alone. I'm very eager to see how the Bills gameplan in this one knowing the task at hand without Tre White this time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 If he continues playing well he will be back in Buffalo on a 3 year deal next season. 3,4,5 million for the 3 years ($12M total) gets it done IMO. I don't see him wanting to leave and I see his best football is still in front of him. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Hopefully mckenzie got a raise mid season, such an important player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Again, no idea why McKenzie has not been part of our game plan all season. Still only plays 25% - 34% of our snaps even after clearly becoming more productive than Beasley. 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: If he continues playing well he will be back in Buffalo on a 3 year deal next season. 3,4,5 million for the 3 years ($12M total) gets it done IMO. I don't see him wanting to leave and I see his best football is still in front of him. Why would he want to come back to Buffalo? This staff doesn't hardly use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, london_bills said: Hopefully mckenzie got a raise mid season, such an important player Sadly midseason he will still in Sean's doggie house for the shoddy return work - forever and a day THAT will bug me!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
london_bills Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Sadly midseason he will still in Sean's doggie house for the shoddy return work - forever and a day THAT will bug me!!! Yes I know what you mean, mckenzie dealt with it well. Wonder if he got a game ball after the 100 yard game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 5 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Why would he want to come back to Buffalo? This staff doesn't hardly use him. Yep, and since he is back on the field he is playing his best at the WR spot. He started the last 2 games and I'm curious if he starts Sunday night. I guess we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 minute ago, london_bills said: Yes I know what you mean, mckenzie dealt with it well. Wonder if he got a game ball after the 100 yard game One would hope so!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Again, no idea why McKenzie has not been part of our game plan all season. Still only plays 25% - 34% of our snaps even after clearly becoming more productive than Beasley. Why would he want to come back to Buffalo? This staff doesn't hardly use him. I think he has started to surpass Beasly in terms of snaps, so hopefully that helps, but I am worried how the whole returner situation has gone down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I mentioned this in the "Make McKenzie a CB" thread. But McKenzie is super valuable to us this week. We should use him like Tyreek at practice and on game day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Kwai San said: Sadly midseason he will still in Sean's doggie house for the shoddy return work - forever and a day THAT will bug me!!! At the same time, he is healthy and playing the best football of his life right now at the right time. Sometimes a reset is needed in order to get someone on the same page as everyone else. Not saying that was 100% the case. But maybe McD thought he needed some coaching to get him prepared for where he is right now, a focal point of our offense. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Re-sign McKenzie I wouldn't re-sign here if I were him. He is criminally underutilized. Edited January 20, 2022 by Chicken Boo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: Similar for sure but Hill has those after burners that McKenzie doesn't. You’re right. Allen would be the more apt Bills comparison. 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Agreed. I was so confused to why they just stopped using him in the playoffs last year and the first 3/4 of this season for the most part. Up until the 2nd patriot game he had 11 targets (7 catches) and 6 rushes. That’s a ridiculously low number of touches for someone with his ability. I’ve been saying it all year, he needs to be part of the offense as well as a long term part of this franchise. He’s everything you want in a player minus the fumbles. Just having to account for the jet sweep along is worth it, but he definitely brings more than just that to the table. I do, however, want a different returner. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said: I wouldn't re-sign here if I were him. He is criminally underutilized. He would be Beasley's replacement. I don't want to see Cole traded or cut but he is one of the few who will just be a cap casualty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Special K said: Let's make McKenzie the Bills Tyreek Hill instead of the scout team Tyreek Hill!! I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw this post! McKenzie is a weapon that we need to use more often. When used extensively, such as in the 2nd Miami game last year, and the 2nd New England game this year, he's come up very large. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: I wouldn't re-sign here if I were him. He is criminally underutilized. Surely you jest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: I wouldn't resign here if I were him. He is criminally underutilized. I think that changes going forward. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, NewEra said: Agreed. I was so confused to why they just stopped using him in the playoffs last year and the first 3/4 of this season for the most part. Up until the 2nd patriot game he had 11 targets (7 catches) and 6 rushes. That’s a ridiculously low number of touches for someone with his ability. I’ve been saying it all year, he needs to be part of the offense as well as a long term part of this franchise. He’s everything you want in a player minus the fumbles. Well that was the problem Fumbled in Denver.. fumbled when he got here.. fumbled in practice.. muffed punts, fumbled kick return No matter how talented a guy is you just can't trust him eventually and he has to earn it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 22 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: I wouldn't re-sign here if I were him. He is criminally underutilized. If Daboll leaves as expected, he may re-sign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 52 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: You’re right. Allen would be the more apt Bills comparison. Just having to account for the jet sweep along is worth it, but he definitely brings more than just that to the table. I do, however, want a different returner. def more than just a jet sweep threat. That kind of speed just needs an OC to make something happen for him. agreed about needing a new returner. He can’t be trusted on returns anymore. I hope it’s Micah for the rest of the postseason 36 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Well that was the problem Fumbled in Denver.. fumbled when he got here.. fumbled in practice.. muffed punts, fumbled kick return No matter how talented a guy is you just can't trust him eventually and he has to earn it any idea how many fumbles he has on offense? Not including ST? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: def more than just a jet sweep threat. That kind of speed just needs an OC to make something happen for him. agreed about needing a new returner. He can’t be trusted on returns anymore. I hope it’s Micah for the rest of the postseason any idea how many fumbles he has on offense? Not including ST? I don't think it's that many since he got here ... Maybe 1 or 2 But he also took 40 plus returns.. and only had 20 catches this season So he has a lot more chance to put it on the carpet while returning . McDermott did say it was an issue in practice... And it's hard to give somebody a full load when they are fumbling in practice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Excellent using whole roster to prepare for the Chiefs. For next year, letting Beasley go saves $6 million on the cap. Cordarrelle Patterson made $3 million this year for Atlanta. Sanders was about $4.6 million on cap this year. Allen will attract WRs to Buffalo. If Beasley and Sanders do not return, Davis is #2, sign both McKenzie and Patterson who probably cost no more than $7 million combined and you have 2 WR slots filled and Patterson can return kicks. Stevenson returns punts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I don't think it's that many since he got here ... Maybe 1 or 2 But he also took 40 plus returns.. and only had 20 catches this season So he has a lot more chance to put it on the carpet while returning . McDermott did say it was an issue in practice... And it's hard to give somebody a full load when they are fumbling in practice I don’t think he has any on offense. He had 6 his rookie year and 2 the following year. None the next 2 years and 2 this season. Like you said though, he hasn’t had many touches on O. i don’t think he should have a full load, but I think he should’ve been getting a minimum of 3-4 plays a game where he’s the #1 option, running or receiving and another 5-10 where he’s in motion as a decoy. The opposing D has to account for his speed. Edited January 20, 2022 by NewEra 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: If he continues playing well he will be back in Buffalo on a 3 year deal next season. 3,4,5 million for the 3 years ($12M total) gets it done IMO. I don't see him wanting to leave and I see his best football is still in front of him. He had Christmas dinner with a random Polish family. I think he likes it here. Make him a good offer and keep the fella. We need that burner speed in this offense. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jwhit34 said: Excellent using whole roster to prepare for the Chiefs. For next year, letting Beasley go saves $6 million on the cap. Cordarrelle Patterson made $3 million this year for Atlanta. Sanders was about $4.6 million on cap this year. Allen will attract WRs to Buffalo. If Beasley and Sanders do not return, Davis is #2, sign both McKenzie and Patterson who probably cost no more than $7 million combined and you have 2 WR slots filled and Patterson can return kicks. Stevenson returns punts. Spotrac sets Pattersons market value @ 9.1M. i agree. I’d LOVE for our backfield to be motor and Patterson next year with Patterson returning kicks and Isaiah being used as WR and on jet sweeps. i wouldn’t pencil Stevenson in anywhere but the PS Edited January 20, 2022 by NewEra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: If Daboll leaves as expected, he may re-sign I think he loves Buffalo and will re-sign. I think all he needs to hear from McDermott is that he will be a regular rotational player at least. There seemed to be some tension from McKenzie's end after the benching but things seem good now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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