ndirish1978 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 After todays games I took a look at the Pro Bowl roster for the AFC just to check how many players selected actually made the postseason and was pretty surprised. I know a lot of people believe the Pro Bowl is meaningless popularity contest, but it does matter as far as contract incentives and when players are making their cases for the HOF, so it does frame legacy. Shouldn't something be done about Pro Bowl voting? Yes, this is an individual award, I just have an issue with the Pro Bowl being FULL of players playing for teams who essentially failed the litmus test for a successful season and didn't even earn a chance to play for a championship. Mods, please feel free to merge this to one of the other pro bowl threads if you want. I didn't think this was appropriate for the thread listing our pro bowlers so I figured a new one would be ok. 2022 AFC Pro Bowl roster by position Offense *Denotes starter 8 of 11 starters on Offense did not make the playoffs 6 of 11 starters on Defense did not make the playoffs Quarterback (3) Justin Herbert, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens Did not make the playoffs, missed 6 games Running back (3) Jonathan Taylor, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Nick Chubb, Cleveland Browns Did not make the playoffs Joe Mixon, Cincinnati Bengals Wide receiver (4) Tyreek Hill, Kansas City Chiefs* Ja'Marr Chase, Cincinnati Bengals* Stefon Diggs, Buffalo Bills Keenan Allen, Los Angeles Chargers Did not make the playoffs Tight end (2) Mark Andrews, Baltimore Ravens* Did not make the playoffs Travis Kelce, Kansas City Chiefs Offensive tackle (3) Rashawn Slater, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Orlando Brown, Kansas City Chiefs* Dion Dawkins, Buffalo Bills Offensive guard (3) Quenton Nelson, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Joel Bitonio, Cleveland Browns* Did not make the playoffs Wyatt Teller, Cleveland Browns Did not make the playoffs Center (2) Corey Linsley, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Ryan Kelly, Indianapolis Colts Did not make the playoffs Fullback (1) Patrick Ricard, Baltimore Ravens Did not make the playoffs Defense *Denotes starter Defensive end (3) Myles Garrett, Cleveland Browns* Did not make the playoffs Maxx Crosby, Las Vegas Raiders* Trey Hendrickson, Cincinnati Bengals Interior linemen (3) DeForest Buckner, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Chris Jones, Kansas City Chiefs* Cameron Heyward, Pittsburgh Steelers Outside linebacker (3) T.J. Watt, Pittsburgh Steelers* Joey Bosa, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Matt Judon, New England Patriots Inside/Middle linebacker (2) Darius Leonard, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Denzel Perryman, Las Vegas Raiders Cornerback (4) J.C. Jackson, New England Patriots* Xavien Howard, Miami Dolphins* Did not make the playoffs Denzel Ward, Cleveland Browns Did not make the playoffs Kenny Moore II, Indianapolis Colts Did not make the playoffs Free safety (1) Kevin Byard, Tennessee Titans* Strong safety (2) Derwin James, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Tyrann Mathieu, Kansas City Chiefs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 well at least those players will be available. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemsonBills Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Super Bowls get you into the HOF, not pro bowls. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I don't know but if I'm Diggs there is no way I'm going to the pro bowl to catch passes from Lamar Jackson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Bills fan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Make it cease to exist? That would be my fix. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 I just think it's ridiculous we have the #1 scoring and total defense and not a single player on D was honored. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: After todays games I took a look at the Pro Bowl roster for the AFC just to check how many players selected actually made the postseason and was pretty surprised. I know a lot of people believe the Pro Bowl is meaningless popularity contest, but it does matter as far as contract incentives and when players are making their cases for the HOF, so it does frame legacy. Shouldn't something be done about Pro Bowl voting? Yes, this is an individual award, I just have an issue with the Pro Bowl being FULL of players playing for teams who essentially failed the litmus test for a successful season and didn't even earn a chance to play for a championship. Mods, please feel free to merge this to one of the other pro bowl threads if you want. I didn't think this was appropriate for the thread listing our pro bowlers so I figured a new one would be ok. 2022 AFC Pro Bowl roster by position Offense *Denotes starter 8 of 11 starters on Offense did not make the playoffs 6 of 11 starters on Defense did not make the playoffs Quarterback (3) Justin Herbert, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens Did not make the playoffs, missed 6 games Running back (3) Jonathan Taylor, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Nick Chubb, Cleveland Browns Did not make the playoffs Joe Mixon, Cincinnati Bengals Wide receiver (4) Tyreek Hill, Kansas City Chiefs* Ja'Marr Chase, Cincinnati Bengals* Stefon Diggs, Buffalo Bills Keenan Allen, Los Angeles Chargers Did not make the playoffs Tight end (2) Mark Andrews, Baltimore Ravens* Did not make the playoffs Travis Kelce, Kansas City Chiefs Offensive tackle (3) Rashawn Slater, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Orlando Brown, Kansas City Chiefs* Dion Dawkins, Buffalo Bills Offensive guard (3) Quenton Nelson, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Joel Bitonio, Cleveland Browns* Did not make the playoffs Wyatt Teller, Cleveland Browns Did not make the playoffs Center (2) Corey Linsley, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Ryan Kelly, Indianapolis Colts Did not make the playoffs Fullback (1) Patrick Ricard, Baltimore Ravens Did not make the playoffs Defense *Denotes starter Defensive end (3) Myles Garrett, Cleveland Browns* Did not make the playoffs Maxx Crosby, Las Vegas Raiders* Trey Hendrickson, Cincinnati Bengals Interior linemen (3) DeForest Buckner, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Chris Jones, Kansas City Chiefs* Cameron Heyward, Pittsburgh Steelers Outside linebacker (3) T.J. Watt, Pittsburgh Steelers* Joey Bosa, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Matt Judon, New England Patriots Inside/Middle linebacker (2) Darius Leonard, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Denzel Perryman, Las Vegas Raiders Cornerback (4) J.C. Jackson, New England Patriots* Xavien Howard, Miami Dolphins* Did not make the playoffs Denzel Ward, Cleveland Browns Did not make the playoffs Kenny Moore II, Indianapolis Colts Did not make the playoffs Free safety (1) Kevin Byard, Tennessee Titans* Strong safety (2) Derwin James, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Tyrann Mathieu, Kansas City Chiefs Dumb topic. Good players by and large make the Pro Bowl. Derwin James isn’t diminished because they didn’t win tonight. We already have a game for the players who win the most. It’s called the Super Bowl. The Pro Bowl is for individual achievement. Im sorry you did so much work crafting a really bad OP though. Would be disappointing. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) Is anyone really going to argue that guys like Jonathan Taylor, Myles Garrett or Quentin Nelson are unworthy because they aren’t playing in the post season? Are they not the best players at their positions? Edited January 10, 2022 by Bangarang 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just now, Bangarang said: Is anyone really going to argue that guys like Jonathan Taylor, Myles Garrett or Quentin Nelson are unworthy because they aren’t playing in the lost season? Are they not the best players at their positions? All that work because they’re mad Josh Allen didn’t get a ProBowl nod. SAD! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 There's a reason so many players on that list aren't going to the playoffs. They cost too much. Those A+++ players all demand and get far more pay than the A-/A/A+ players the Bills are built to have. So those other teams have a lot of B-/C+ players who work for cheap. I love it that the Bills have a sensible pay scale, with NO holes among the starters and very few weak links among the subs either. So we don't see a lot of Bills in the Pro Bowl. Big deal. We have the 3 seed, and we've beaten the 2 seed and came within a whisker of beating the 1 seed. I like our chances. As for being snubbed by the Pro Bowl, I am fine with the idea that the Bills are pissed off. Let them show how upset they are by excelling in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, FireChans said: All that work because they’re mad Josh Allen didn’t get a ProBowl nod. SAD! You got really upset about a pretty innocuous post? You need a hug. I don't really care about Josh not making the pro bowl. I do have an issue with our safeties not making it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The Pro Bowl is an individual achievement while the Superbowl is a team achievement. I think some of the selections were questionable, but whether a player's team makes the playoffs shouldn't be a factor. I do think voting should be later in the season so it's not a contest of who had the hottest start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just now, ndirish1978 said: You got really upset about a pretty innocuous post? You need a hug. I don't really care about Josh not making the pro bowl. I do have an issue with our safeties not making it. Boo boo dude. They are great players, we all know that. I’d much rather have good players who make the playoffs instead of the ProBowl than the other way around. So honestly, who cares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 10, 2022 Author Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just now, FireChans said: Boo boo dude. They are great players, we all know that. I’d much rather have good players who make the playoffs instead of the ProBowl than the other way around. So honestly, who cares? My point being, that if for someone who admittedly doesn't care, you took the time to come in the thread just to rip on me for posting a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: My point being, that if for someone who admittedly doesn't care, you took the time to come in the thread just to rip on me for posting a question. I’m saying the crux of your post is dumb. It makes no sense. We have an award for winning games already. The ProBowl isn’t for the best team in the NFL. Myles Garrett is still great. He doesn’t get to play in the Super Bowl because his team wasn’t. He gets in the ProBowl because he’s still great. Why would the ProBowl be changed when it’s literally doing exactly what it’s designed to do? Because some players sometimes deserve to go and don’t? Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 23 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’m saying the crux of your post is dumb. It makes no sense. We have an award for winning games already. The ProBowl isn’t for the best team in the NFL. Myles Garrett is still great. He doesn’t get to play in the Super Bowl because his team wasn’t. He gets in the ProBowl because he’s still great. Why would the ProBowl be changed when it’s literally doing exactly what it’s designed to do? Because some players sometimes deserve to go and don’t? Lol We should all be upset Mac Jones didn’t make the Pro Bowl. His team is in the playoffs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Yes. Move it back to Hawaii. Make it the week after the Super Bowl again. Lots of players skip it these day, so it’s become a complete joke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Who the hell is thinking about the Pro Bowl right now?!? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The number one thing they should do is open the voting AFTER the conclusion of the season. Why in the world do they have to rush the voting? Or at least wait till week 16 or 17 to start the voting and let it go till the Saturday morning of the wild card weekend. That is what 3 or 4 weeks of voting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 40 minutes ago, FireChans said: Why would the ProBowl be changed when it’s literally doing exactly what it’s designed to do? Is it though? What is it supposed to mean anyway? I think at one point it was supposed to be a way to honor the best players in the game. That can often be subjective. But when you have outliers like Jackson making it this year over Burrow, Allen and Carr then it makes me think that must not be the meaning anymore. And yeah it probably lost it's meaning years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I wish they would just end the Pro Bowl. It came very close to ending a few years back. It’s a shame that didn’t happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, FireChans said: All that work because they’re mad Josh Allen didn’t get a ProBowl nod. SAD! I think the OPs point is most salient in regards to QB position. It’s the most important position in the game yet 2/3 AFC selections didn’t lead their teams to the post season despite multiple pro bowl selections at other positions from their teams. The thing to probably remember is when this voting took place we were in a bit of a slump. With hindsight both Burrow and Josh (his running more than makes up for any ground lost as a passer) should be in over Herbert and Jackson (huge error). that and it’s crazy the number 1 defense doesn’t have a pro bowler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Well I don't think you look at wins. But you should look at the stats and impact play from these players. Josh Allen has better stats than those other QB's that were chosen. He is a clear snub. Jordan Poyer definately deserved it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: I just think it's ridiculous we have the #1 scoring and total defense and not a single player on D was honored. Poyer deserved it. Hyde probably as well. There's an argument for Taron Johnson, but nobody besides Poyer and Hyde had the individual stats to warrant a pro bowl, really. But I consider Poyer to be a huge snub. He had an outstanding year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Just eliminate it, It used to mean something when players wanted to go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: I just think it's ridiculous we have the #1 scoring and total defense and not a single player on D was honored. That’s ok. Makes it easier to sign these guys to contract extensions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Process said: I don't know but if I'm Diggs there is no way I'm going to the pro bowl to catch passes from Lamar Jackson. He doesn't have to worry about catching passes from LJ because he only throws to Andrews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Here is how to "fix" the pro bowl. Scrap it. I'd have the existing AP voted all pro teams and replace the pro bowl with an NFLPA selected all pro team voted on by the players. No game. Just two chances to make the merit list. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Here is how to "fix" the pro bowl. Scrap it. I'd have the existing AP voted all pro teams and replace the pro bowl with an NFLPA selected all pro team voted on by the players. No game. Just two chances to make the merit list. Never gonna happen. You know why? Though I agree with the rest. Edited January 10, 2022 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffBillsForLife Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 No because players use pro bowl berths as an argument for higher salaries in negotiations, so by having Bills players constantly get snubbed the Bills are able to resign them for less money 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: Never gonna happen. You know why? Though I agree with the rest. Make it a "Flag Football" game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 3 hours ago, Billznut said: I wish they would just end the Pro Bowl. It came very close to ending a few years back. It’s a shame that didn’t happen. I think the game itself should have disappeared a long time ago. If they want to name a "pro bowl" team as a way of honoring exceptional players around the league, that's fine, but get rid of the game. I haven't even thought of watching one in probably 30 years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, Nextmanup said: I think the game itself should have disappeared a long time ago. If they want to name a "pro bowl" team as a way of honoring exceptional players around the league, that's fine, but get rid of the game. I haven't even thought of watching one in probably 30 years. And yet the Pro Bowl still garners higher ratings than competing NBA and NHL games - so it still makes the networks and the NFL money. For the players - especially those on the rookie wage scale - it also directly equates to money and the fifth year option. I really don’t care if they move on or not, but I think the NFL will try to do everything they can to keep it and get one more week of money from the networks and the networks want that one more week of football because of ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: And yet the Pro Bowl still garners higher ratings than competing NBA and NHL games - so it still makes the networks and the NFL money. For the players - especially those on the rookie wage scale - it also directly equates to money and the fifth year option. I really don’t care if they move on or not, but I think the NFL will try to do everything they can to keep it and get one more week of money from the networks and the networks want that one more week of football because of ratings. Where there is money to be had, the NFL will be there. For me, the whole concept of "pro bowl" or "all star game" is a weird, dated, old fashioned thing that shouldn't exist anymore. I find it pretty bad in all sports. I think kids like them; I used to enjoy the whole thing when I was a teenager in the 1980s, and remember getting all excited at the number of Bills who made the Pro Bowl back when we were great in the late '80s and '90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 The answer to the question in this thread title was given the day the Pro-Bowl players were announce with four games (apprx. 23.5%) still left in the season. The entire thing is broken. YES! Everypne knows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I find it hard to care much but if I was the NFL I would want to "fix it" by electing guys most deserving. There will always be outrage over some guy over another but what happens now is ridiculous, almost like a random pick of starters. I would think the players would want to fix it too since it is tied to incentives/contracts. As far as listing who made and did not make the postseason, I don think that should be a factor...its best player at the position which could be someone on the Jets or Jags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 I loved it the week after the Super Bowl. They should go back to that - it was helpful to the weaning off process. With all the talking heads in the business now they could easily turn the booth conversations during the unwatchable game into a Free Agency preview spectacular regarding the off-season goals of the various players and teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 5 hours ago, ClemsonBills said: Super Bowls get you into the HOF, not pro bowls. Agreed, but all the All-Pro honors and Pro Bowl stuff, etc is part of a players resume and does help them get in when the time comes for consideration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 6 hours ago, ndirish1978 said: After todays games I took a look at the Pro Bowl roster for the AFC just to check how many players selected actually made the postseason and was pretty surprised. I know a lot of people believe the Pro Bowl is meaningless popularity contest, but it does matter as far as contract incentives and when players are making their cases for the HOF, so it does frame legacy. Shouldn't something be done about Pro Bowl voting? Yes, this is an individual award, I just have an issue with the Pro Bowl being FULL of players playing for teams who essentially failed the litmus test for a successful season and didn't even earn a chance to play for a championship. Mods, please feel free to merge this to one of the other pro bowl threads if you want. I didn't think this was appropriate for the thread listing our pro bowlers so I figured a new one would be ok. 2022 AFC Pro Bowl roster by position Offense *Denotes starter 8 of 11 starters on Offense did not make the playoffs 6 of 11 starters on Defense did not make the playoffs Quarterback (3) Justin Herbert, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Patrick Mahomes, Kansas City Chiefs Lamar Jackson, Baltimore Ravens Did not make the playoffs, missed 6 games Running back (3) Jonathan Taylor, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Nick Chubb, Cleveland Browns Did not make the playoffs Joe Mixon, Cincinnati Bengals Wide receiver (4) Tyreek Hill, Kansas City Chiefs* Ja'Marr Chase, Cincinnati Bengals* Stefon Diggs, Buffalo Bills Keenan Allen, Los Angeles Chargers Did not make the playoffs Tight end (2) Mark Andrews, Baltimore Ravens* Did not make the playoffs Travis Kelce, Kansas City Chiefs Offensive tackle (3) Rashawn Slater, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Orlando Brown, Kansas City Chiefs* Dion Dawkins, Buffalo Bills Offensive guard (3) Quenton Nelson, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Joel Bitonio, Cleveland Browns* Did not make the playoffs Wyatt Teller, Cleveland Browns Did not make the playoffs Center (2) Corey Linsley, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Ryan Kelly, Indianapolis Colts Did not make the playoffs Fullback (1) Patrick Ricard, Baltimore Ravens Did not make the playoffs Defense *Denotes starter Defensive end (3) Myles Garrett, Cleveland Browns* Did not make the playoffs Maxx Crosby, Las Vegas Raiders* Trey Hendrickson, Cincinnati Bengals Interior linemen (3) DeForest Buckner, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Chris Jones, Kansas City Chiefs* Cameron Heyward, Pittsburgh Steelers Outside linebacker (3) T.J. Watt, Pittsburgh Steelers* Joey Bosa, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Matt Judon, New England Patriots Inside/Middle linebacker (2) Darius Leonard, Indianapolis Colts* Did not make the playoffs Denzel Perryman, Las Vegas Raiders Cornerback (4) J.C. Jackson, New England Patriots* Xavien Howard, Miami Dolphins* Did not make the playoffs Denzel Ward, Cleveland Browns Did not make the playoffs Kenny Moore II, Indianapolis Colts Did not make the playoffs Free safety (1) Kevin Byard, Tennessee Titans* Strong safety (2) Derwin James, Los Angeles Chargers* Did not make the playoffs Tyrann Mathieu, Kansas City Chiefs Did not make the playoffs does not mean much because their teams were in the hunt. I think the biggest question mark pick was Lamar Jackson who is not better than Josh Allen or had a better season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 Yeah they should make them wear pants not panties and make them play real football 41 minutes ago, zow2 said: Agreed, but all the All-Pro honors and Pro Bowl stuff, etc is part of a players resume and does help them get in when the time comes for consideration. When Josh is done he will have crushed all of HOF JK12's records and won a couple of SB's not making the pantie bowl wont even matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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