Einstein Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: You literally said he was a scout and that's it. Now you're shifting the goal posts and avoiding addressing what I was actually responding to -- your statement that he was a scout and a scout alone. Wrong again. The post you quoted literally mentioned him being a Director of Pro Personnel. EDIT: I think you can be pointing to the fact I did not include his director days in my very first post - as if my omission was the sin. Forgive me! Edited January 4, 2022 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: He's far more credentialed than John Lynch That is true. 1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said: who has done just fine in SF. But this is very debatable. Lynch was hired in January of 2017. Since then, the 49ers have gone: 2017: 6-10 2018: 4-12 2019: 13-3 2020: 6-10 Not sure id call that just fine, but to each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 With stuff that is this speculative, it's a lot easier to just wait and see what happens. If he is lost, so be it, and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Don't see the point is speculating wildly with any of these rumors until it happens...if it is going to at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: Wrong again. The post you quoted literally mentioned him being a Director of Pro Personnel. EDIT: I think you can be pointing to the fact I did not include his director days in my very first post - as if my omission was the sin. Forgive me! I was responding to your first post. You addressed it after it was pointed out that he had more experience than just being a scout. Regardless, I've got nothing against Riddick, and his brother was a solid Bill who spent his whole career with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 It’s amazing what results from a few well placed quotes from an agent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Einstein said: That is true. But this is very debatable. Lynch was hired in January of 2017. Since then, the 49ers have gone: 2017: 6-10 2018: 4-12 2019: 13-3 2020: 6-10 Not sure id call that just fine, but to each their own. Their drafting and development have been really good. Two years where their QB got hurt they suffered poor records. Most teams will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: With stuff that is this speculative, it's a lot easier to just wait and see what happens. If he is lost, so be it, and we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Don't see the point is speculating wildly with any of these rumors until it happens...if it is going to at all. Ok, Marv. You know he also said "failing to prepare is preparing to fail". You are just a fan..........not part of the team............not working for the Associated Press...........you aren't impacting anything either way by speculating.........if you are just OCD about it and speculation causes you anxiety then a message board certainly isn't the place to be. Anytime there is a potential for losing an important assistant coach it's discussion worthy on TSW...........especially if it would mean getting two 3rd round compensatory picks out of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 8 hours ago, clayboy54 said: One thing you can be sure of, is that Antonio Brown will not be brought in by that group. Leslie Frazier may be only coach that could get in his head he has to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Frostbite said: Would love it. He's got such a cushy job though. No doubt he works hard but makes his own hours and not a lot of pressure. Cant say I'd move on from that. No reason for him to become QB Coach unless it his dream to be a head coach. Coaching requires lots of job changes and his work is pretty steady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: I was responding to your first post. You addressed it after it was pointed out that he had more experience than just being a scout. Regardless, I've got nothing against Riddick, and his brother was a solid Bill who spent his whole career with the team. I didn't know he was Robb's brother, very cool! I would say his credentials are better than Mike Mayock's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: yeah, I suppose riddick isn’t a retread. But dungy and Frazier are— and both in their 60s. Dungy a retread in the same sense as Marv was— coming out of a long retirement at an older age. but don’t shoot the messenger. I am not saying that I personally believe this to be a bad idea. But obviously the league is going more in the 30-year old upstart HC direction. I just find it unlikely for the bears to buck that trend, and hire riddick and a couple of 60-year olds to run their team. If I had to guess, they will go with a younger offensive coordinator type as the HC. Shoot the messenger! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Frazier is a great DC. So was Jim Schwartz. Though, Schwartz was a horrible HC. Being a great OC or DC doesn't make you a great HC. How history treats Frazier (and Daboll) will be very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Just talked to a guy i know who is pretty looped in with Chicago sports and has a few connections) and he believes from recent reports/discussions that dungy is going to be hired as Director of Football Ops, Louis Riddick as GM, and Leslie Frazier as HC. He isn’t 100% convinced they get rid of Ryan pace but that he may get put in a different role. I could see this happening and frazier could hire an OC (Jim Caldwell, who he worked with in Indy?) to take care of that side. I like the fit for him and I think the bears fan base would love it. That would be one helluva trio. If you’re Dungy though, why go back to grind when he has a cake job with NBC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 43 minutes ago, Rico said: I didn't know he was Robb's brother, very cool! I would say his credentials are better than Mike Mayock's. Yeah, when announcing he has mentioned a couple of times loving going to watch his brother play at Rich Stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 4 hours ago, dave mcbride said: I'm talking about fan perceptions of team identity and glory eras. For the Bears, it's about defense literally going back to Papa Bear: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1963.htm. You're thinking far too rationally about this. No really good Bears team in the past 75 years was good because of the offense. You'd have to go back to the Monsters of the Midway for that, and that team's defense was good too. I can't imagine any Bears fan under 35 isn't tired of Pops telling them about the '85 team nor are they excited about the prospect of continuing that "tradition". "OK fans...we are going to return to the days of hard nosed D and we're bringing in Tony Dungy and Leslie Frazier to breath 'new life' into the Bears!!!" It's not a compelling pitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 6 hours ago, Einstein said: No he wasn't. He was the lowest team scout from 2001 to 2004. He was Director of Pro Personnel for only a couple of years and went 24-24. He then "left" - aka fired - and went to Philadelphia to be demoted. When he arrived in Philly, he was downgraded back to scout. When he was eventually promoted to Director of Pro Personnel, he endured another bad .500 record (32-32) before being fired by Philly. So let's recap. He has: 1) Not been with an NFL team in *any* capacity in nearly a decade. 2) When he was with an NFL team, he had a .500 record and was fired by two teams after being in the director job for 3 years or less. Therefore, I stand by my question of: "What in the pickles tarnation does he know about being a GM?" . Guys get fired in football all the time. His name has been in play for several teams in some leadership capacity. It’s my guess between his NFL experience and his remaining dialed into to personal knowledge these teams believe he brings value. You may not and that’s fine. But NFL teams that are considering him clearly do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sullim4 Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 10 hours ago, bigK14094 said: Frazier was HC of the Vikes for (3?) years, and the Bears saw him twice a year. there might be a lingering impressions from that time and not sure he gets the Bears job because of that. I think a lot of Bears fans will react that way. It's the same reaction a number of us had when Rex was hired - we all thought he was a dope, seeing his schtick 2x a year and it turned out we were right. I think Frazier has grown considerably since the Vikings job and would be an excellent hire. I know nothing about Riddick's ability and past experiences in the front office. I think the biggest problem with this proposal is Dungy. I view him like a Bill Cowher - how relevant is he in the NFL today? He hasn't held a position with a team since 2008. I get that he's been able to build and maintain a network of people in the NFL as an NBC guy but damn, that is a lot of time to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I can't imagine any Bears fan under 35 isn't tired of Pops telling them about the '85 team nor are they excited about the prospect of continuing that "tradition". "OK fans...we are going to return to the days of hard nosed D and we're bringing in Tony Dungy and Leslie Frazier to breath 'new life' into the Bears!!!" It's not a compelling pitch. Do you actually know any Bears fans from Chicago? I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 Leslie deserves another shot but because the Bears have a young QB I think they go with an offense oriented head coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Guys get fired in football all the time. His name has been in play for several teams in some leadership capacity. It’s my guess between his NFL experience and his remaining dialed into to personal knowledge these teams believe he brings value. You may not and that’s fine. But NFL teams that are considering him clearly do. I’m not sure that I agree that rumors mean NFL teams are actually interested. Agents routinely put out false rumors to try to get their talents name out there. . Edited January 5, 2022 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: I’m not sure that I agree that rumors mean NFL teams are actually interested. Agents routinely put out false rumors to try to get their talents name out there. . Fair enough about agents and rumors. Is he necessarily the guy I would want the Bills to after? Maybe not but I would suggest he’s got as much or more experience as MM of Raiders or Lynch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 5 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Fair enough about agents and rumors. Is he necessarily the guy I would want the Bills to after? Maybe not but I would suggest he’s got as much or more experience as MM of Raiders or Lynch. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 6 hours ago, vincec said: The Bills would get a 3rd round pick if this happens, right? I think the Patriots would, actually. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 As much as I respect Frazier as a coach and leader, I would trade any DC in the league for two top 100 picks when McDermott is my HC. That's the range in the draft where we found Dawson Knox and Harrison Phillips. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 13 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: We do play them next year and he knows everything there is to know about our team, which would suck. I still think they are rebuilding on offense and we should win but The bears have a good defense now as it is and will be getting Mack back as well. We’d be 2 3rds better without him. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 As much as I like Frazier I don’t think he is a HC. He is a good DC but u don’t think HC or Chicago is a good fit. That team won’t be good until the Mckaskeys sell it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) He did play on the '85 Bears... Actually getting hurt in Super Bowl brought on the demise of his playing career! Ranked #17 on "The SuperBowl Shuffle" https://midwayminute.win/ranking-every-bear-in-the-super-bowl-shuffle/ "Frazier is only one of three future NFL head coaches to record a gold record. The others are Mike Singletary (for the Shuffle) and Rich Kotite, who joined a popular thrash-metal band after coaching the Jets.* *May not actually be true" Edited January 5, 2022 by ExiledInIllinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Do you actually know any Bears fans from Chicago? I do. I know some, but I don't know them all..... If many of them remember Frazier, the younger ones may remember him as the guy who went 2-5 against the Bears in 3+ seasons as HC for the Vikes. Edited January 5, 2022 by Mr. WEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted January 5, 2022 Share Posted January 5, 2022 10 hours ago, RunJoshRun said: Frazier was quoted in the Buffalo News today saying he hasn't received a phone call from any team about a HC position. I believe he's very happy in his role here and doesn't need the hassle of trying to be an 'exciting' HC. Well, the Chicago job technically isn't open, so it would be bad form to contact Frazier about it. BUT theoretically would Dungy, Riddick and Frazier be POSSIBLY interested in teaming up somewhere possibly maybe is a different case from "being contacted about a HC job." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Motorin' Posted January 10, 2022 Share Posted January 10, 2022 On 1/5/2022 at 12:31 AM, ExiledInIllinois said: He did play on the '85 Bears... Actually getting hurt in Super Bowl brought on the demise of his playing career! Ranked #17 on "The SuperBowl Shuffle" https://midwayminute.win/ranking-every-bear-in-the-super-bowl-shuffle/ "Frazier is only one of three future NFL head coaches to record a gold record. The others are Mike Singletary (for the Shuffle) and Rich Kotite, who joined a popular thrash-metal band after coaching the Jets.* *May not actually be true" LOL, "may not actually be true" love that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) FWIW Quote @AroundTheNFL Bears announce hiring of Ryan Poles as new general manager https://www.nfl.com/news/bears-hiring-chiefs-exec-ryan-poles-as-new-general-manager?campaign=Twitter_atn Hi - we have a GREAT HC for you! Edited January 26, 2022 by Heitz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luvbills Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Heitz said: FWIW https://www.nfl.com/news/bears-hiring-chiefs-exec-ryan-poles-as-new-general-manager?campaign=Twitter_atn Hi - we have a GREAT HC for you! His family has a local connection to Western New York. His father, Junior Poles, is from Caledonia New York which is between LeRoy and Rochester. He graduated from Canandaigua academy. Great family! Edited January 26, 2022 by Luvbills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Luvbills said: His family has a local connection to us to New York. His father, Junior Poles, is from Caledonia New York which is between LeRoy in Rochester. He graduated from Canandaigua academy. Great family! Perfect, he'll feel comfortable calling the Bills to check Leslie's references! 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, Heitz said: FWIW https://www.nfl.com/news/bears-hiring-chiefs-exec-ryan-poles-as-new-general-manager?campaign=Twitter_atn Hi - we have a GREAT HC for you! Plus Chiefs possibly might get a third and next year as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I will pay his airfare plus the extra carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Quote @TomPelissero The #Giants plan to interview #Bills DC Leslie Frazier a second time for their head coaching job Friday, per source. So with Joe Schoen in place as GM, his former Buffalo colleagues Brian Daboll and Frazier are both getting a long look in New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, Heitz said: The problem is the Giants can't hire BOTH of them to be their head coach. I think Daboll goes, Frazier stays. I hope I'm wrong. I'd prefer it the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 On 1/4/2022 at 8:35 AM, YoloinOhio said: Just talked to a guy i know who is pretty looped in with Chicago sports and has a few connections) and he believes from recent reports/discussions that dungy is going to be hired as Director of Football Ops, Louis Riddick as GM, and Leslie Frazier as HC. He isn’t 100% convinced they get rid of Ryan pace but that he may get put in a different role. I could see this happening and frazier could hire an OC (Jim Caldwell, who he worked with in Indy?) to take care of that side. I like the fit for him and I think the bears fan base would love it. How long has Riddick been out of the player personnel business? Dungy has been a broadcaster for what? 12 years? It's a very different grind. I think it would be great for Frazier to get an opportunity like that. 😇 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvlevydraftdaygenius Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Oh boy how is fan base in Chicago going to react to this. No wonder they have been contacting Harbaugh behind the scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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