Josh - 16 games 2020 vs 2021 stats

[Wayne Cubed]

I don't have it to hand but remembering seeing a statistic about QBs that have had 40+ TD seasons and nearly every season to follow has seen a drop off. There's been one or 2. So I expected Josh to drop off from what he had the previous season. He hasn't been as great but he's still been very good and is within the range of what I would expect other elite QBs to drop off to after a monster season. Rodgers isn't near what he did in 2020. Tom Brady equaled his output from 2020, which at 44 is mental. Mahomes is down on 2020. It was most likely going to happen to Josh and that doesn't mean it's a bad thing. He didn't fall off a cliff. To me he's proved he belongs.

[CincyBillsFan]

The challenge with QB ratings is that none of the systems employed does a good job of holistically capturing a QB's true level of play.

 

Take last nights Browns/Steelers game.  Baker Mayfield finished with a QB rating of 53 which was much better then Allen's QB rating of 17. Yet at NO time during yesterday;s game did Mayfield perform better then Allen did at QB against Atlanta.  It wasn't even close.

 

And before people say "but Baker was sacked 9 times what could he do" I would counter that Allen playing behind the exact same line as Mayfield last night would have had half as many sacks.  Right there, the ability of Allen to avoid being sacked is exponentially better then Mayfield's but does not show up in the stats.

 

Or look at Dak Prescott.  He had a decent QB rating on Sunday in the Cowboys loss to Arizona.  Yet watching the game he was a worse QB then Allen on that day as he could only muster 7 points through three and a half quarters and had a key fumble that gave the Cards a two score lead late.

 

 

[billybrew1]

18 hours ago, artmalibu said:

I think he is better this year than last year.  Stats are only part of the equation.  

 

 

Why?

[billybrew1]

4 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The challenge with QB ratings is that none of the systems employed does a good job of holistically capturing a QB's true level of play.

 

Take last nights Browns/Steelers game.  Baker Mayfield finished with a QB rating of 53 which was much better then Allen's QB rating of 17. Yet at NO time during yesterday;s game did Mayfield perform better then Allen did at QB against Atlanta.  It wasn't even close.

 

And before people say "but Baker was sacked 9 times what could he do" I would counter that Allen playing behind the exact same line as Mayfield last night would have had half as many sacks.  Right there, the ability of Allen to avoid being sacked is exponentially better then Mayfield's but does not show up in the stats.

 

Or look at Dak Prescott.  He had a decent QB rating on Sunday in the Cowboys loss to Arizona.  Yet watching the game he was a worse QB then Allen on that day as he could only muster 7 points through three and a half quarters and had a key fumble that gave the Cards a two score lead late.

 

 

Pretty good logic, I like it. Josh truly is a franchise QB and anybody that really watches the Bills knows this.

Still, I'd like to know how Atlanta shut-down our pass game. Do they have a very good secondary? Or what happened? Miami has a great secondary yet Josh eats fish for breakfast regularly....  And as an early 2022 prediction, I say the Bills sweep the East again! ( I have said this two years-in-a-row, now three. With Josh we're just the best the East has to offer.

 

Go Bills!

[Seventeen]

4 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The challenge with QB ratings is that none of the systems employed does a good job of holistically capturing a QB's true level of play.

 

Take last nights Browns/Steelers game.  Baker Mayfield finished with a QB rating of 53 which was much better then Allen's QB rating of 17. Yet at NO time during yesterday;s game did Mayfield perform better then Allen did at QB against Atlanta.  It wasn't even close.

 

And before people say "but Baker was sacked 9 times what could he do" I would counter that Allen playing behind the exact same line as Mayfield last night would have had half as many sacks.  Right there, the ability of Allen to avoid being sacked is exponentially better then Mayfield's but does not show up in the stats.

 

Or look at Dak Prescott.  He had a decent QB rating on Sunday in the Cowboys loss to Arizona.  Yet watching the game he was a worse QB then Allen on that day as he could only muster 7 points through three and a half quarters and had a key fumble that gave the Cards a two score lead late.

 

 

 

How many drops / throwaways contributed to the 17 rating ? Obviously the tipped ball interceptions (and the one other ) drove it down but the 17 rating doesn't include 81 yards rushing and 2 TDS. 

 

[artmalibu]

45 minutes ago, billybrew1 said:

Why?

 

 

Because I actually watched all the games this year and last year....

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said:

 

How many drops / throwaways contributed to the 17 rating ? Obviously the tipped ball interceptions (and the one other ) drove it down but the 17 rating doesn't include 81 yards rushing and 2 TDS. 

 

On the two 2nd half TD drives (80 & 70 yards) that the Bills had to win the game Allen was 3 of 4 for 32 yards passing (he missed on a deep pass to Diggs that was close).  In addition Allen completed a 2 pt conversion throw to Beasley. Allen rushed 6 times for 49 yards.  There were a couple of 3rd down conversions and one 4th down conversion.  That's a QB playing at an exceptionally high level in tough weather conditions when the game was on the line.

 

 

[Wizard]

Top 2 talent at the position and no worse than a top 4 QB in the league for the next decade.

 

Brady and Rodgers are two best and out the door soon. And, if Allen has similar line play/weapons he is top 3 MVP candidate.

 

Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, and Burrow all produced similar stats and are the best 4 young guns going forward. Allen is just as good as a passer as these guys, a better runner, and his leadership and personality for a team works perfectly with Buffalo.

 

Allen needs a few linemen, more consistent RB play and a few more short passing routes to his running backs in his tool bag. Give him those and he will be even better than a top 10 offensive player in this league.the next 10 years. A Super Bowl win and at least 1 MVP is very doable for this guy.

Edited January 5, 2022 by Wizard

[Orlando Tim]

I think Josh has been less consistent this year, which might be due to teams deciding not to let Josh beat them. He though did have his best game ever against the Pats*, and was easily the best player on the field against the Bucs, Chiefs and first Pats* game. So he is stepping up in the big games.

[HappyDays]

Despite the slight statistical regression I don't think Allen has regressed as a player at all. Defenses have just caught on to the scheme that he struggles against and he's had to adjust his game to beat it. That's life as a young QB. First he figured out how to beat man coverage, then zone blitzes, then cover 0, now he's figuring out how to beat cover 2 shell. Eventually Allen will have seen and beaten every defensive scheme under the sun.

 

It's crazy to me that people think QBs one day just stop getting better. Brady and Rodgers are playing some of their best football ever right now. Until Allen's body breaks down he will keep improving every year, and I think we are watching him slowly develop into one of the greatest players in NFL history. This year was just another step along that road.

[HappyDays]

Also QB stats are still dependent on the rest of the offense too. So while we're on the subject of regression let's point out that quite a few offensive players regressed this year. Even Diggs regressed slightly. Beasley is a shell of himself. The entire offensive line has gotten worse - in the case of Dawkins and Williams substantially worse. Moss was a legitimate part of the offense last year and this year became an afterthought. Really the only player that I would say took a significant leap forward is Knox. So we have an offense with an all around worse supporting cast facing defenses that have figured out our signature plays. IMO those factors are more responsible for Allen's regression than Allen himself, not that he is completely faultless.

Edited January 5, 2022 by HappyDays

[billsherd]

Last year bills made it look easy to score TD once they got within 5-7 yards of the goal line with the Josh running. This year we seem to struggle to score closer we are to the goal line. 

[Scott7975]

19 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Oh I disagree totally you give Josh a Deandre Hopkins or a CeeDee Lamb who you can just throw a ball up to on a contested catch you put this offense in a whole different level 

All great offenses in this league have at least one guy who the qb can throw the ball up to and say make a play Bills don’t really have that 

Case and point what’s happening in Cincy while Joe Burrow has Chase whose basically their Diggs…on the other side he’s got Tee Higgins 

 

I actually think what the Bills lack is YAC.  I dont know if its the receivers, the type of offense they run, or the way Josh throws the football but our team is one of the worst in the league in YAC.  Most of Josh's yards are air yards.

 

Josh is 3rd in completed air yards

The Bills are 18th in YAC

 

By comparison

 

Mahomes is 10th in completed air yards

Chiefs are 1st in YAC

 

How many times do we watch other teams throw dunk passes and they go for 10-20 yards.  Our offense completely lacks that aspect of the game.

Edited January 5, 2022 by Scott7975

[Thurman#1]

17 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The challenge with QB ratings is that none of the systems employed does a good job of holistically capturing a QB's true level of play.

 

Take last nights Browns/Steelers game.  Baker Mayfield finished with a QB rating of 53 which was much better then Allen's QB rating of 17. Yet at NO time during yesterday;s game did Mayfield perform better then Allen did at QB against Atlanta.  It wasn't even close.

 

And before people say "but Baker was sacked 9 times what could he do" I would counter that Allen playing behind the exact same line as Mayfield last night would have had half as many sacks.  Right there, the ability of Allen to avoid being sacked is exponentially better then Mayfield's but does not show up in the stats.

 

Or look at Dak Prescott.  He had a decent QB rating on Sunday in the Cowboys loss to Arizona.  Yet watching the game he was a worse QB then Allen on that day as he could only muster 7 points through three and a half quarters and had a key fumble that gave the Cards a two score lead late.

 

 

 

 

Allen had 3 INTs. Baker had two, and the one on the final drive was completely on the receiver. Allen put the ball in jeopardy more than Mayfield did. They both had bad passing games. I'd argue Baker's game was less bad, and he was under a ton more pressure than Allen was.

 

You can guess that Allen might have had half as many sacks. But it's a guess.

 

Yes, passer rating doesn't look at runs. That's a strength just as much as a weakness.

 

You're right, I think, that no stats holistically capture the true level of play. Nothing does, really. It's impossible to separate the situation, the opponent, the pressure, and everything else. Nothing can, including viewer perceptions. Perceptions have large subjective components, which is why you get people arguing that this year Josh is better than he was last year, which appears nuts to most viewers.

 

It's too complex a system. Stats do a very good job, but certainly not perfect. Isolating any one factor in the wildly complex game of football is very difficult.

[JMF2006]

The Bills should ask for half the contract money back he clearly regressed  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

I said prior to the season we'll see a slight regression, something between his 2020 and 2019 seasons. I think we got that but closer to the 2020 season than the 2019 season.

 

What we've learned from Josh Allen is he's just a football player. His style of play will lead to some inconsistencies throwing the football, much like Brett Favre. He makes less mistakes than Favre. 

[CorkScrewHill]

On 1/3/2022 at 8:51 PM, First Round Bust said:

 

per Sal C

a 5% drop in completions, less yards per game with 5 more picks thrown with several deflections at the line becoming ints.

only sacked 26 times is a credit to him, Burrow has been sacked double that !

running more, but not in red zone,  as overall rush yards are way up with less TDs...its not been as good as last year or has it ?

 

 

There were a lot more bad weather games than last year. One of the things he needs to figure out ala Rodgers is how to alter his style in different situations 

[RunTheBall]

16 hours ago, billybrew1 said:

Pretty good logic, I like it. Josh truly is a franchise QB and anybody that really watches the Bills knows this.

Still, I'd like to know how Atlanta shut-down our pass game. Do they have a very good secondary? Or what happened? Miami has a great secondary yet Josh eats fish for breakfast regularly....  And as an early 2022 prediction, I say the Bills sweep the East again! ( I have said this two years-in-a-row, now three. With Josh we're just the best the East has to offer.

 

Go Bills!

I don’t think they shut us down as much as Josh tried to alter his passing style mid game and it didn’t work.

 

Early on, Josh was hitting guys in the hands and the ball was skipping away. I think he had too much heat on those passes for the conditions. You’d think it would be easy to just take a little mojo off his passes but I think that alters his timing and that’s why the passing game stalled. Hopefully it’s a learning experience for Josh and he learns to take it a little easier from the outset of the game in those conditions so his mental timing, that gets set early in the game, is better.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

As someone said upthread - the Bills need to add one or two YAC monsters to their offense.  Can’t remember the last time someone besides Allen broke a tackle upfield.  Defenses kept the Bills in front of them this season and they lacked the offensive personnel to take advantage of the space.  Beasley is WASHED.

[billsfan1959]

48 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

As someone said upthread - the Bills need to add one or two YAC monsters to their offense.  Can’t remember the last time someone besides Allen broke a tackle upfield.  Defenses kept the Bills in front of them this season and they lacked the offensive personnel to take advantage of the space.  Beasley is WASHED.

 

YAC is a real issue for the Bills this year. Of the top 9 QBs in total passing yards, all are also top 9 in YAC - except for Allen. Allen is 18th in YAC. The percentage of Allen's total yards that are YAC is significantly less than the other top QBs

 

 

 

As far as Beasley goes, IMO, you are are off the mark.

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by billsfan1959

[billsfan89]

Some regression in passing numbers but improvement in rushing. If this is what Josh is on an average year sign me up. However I think he only learns from this season. He broke out in 2020 and teams adjusted to that in 2021 and Josh still had a great season. But he needs to iron out the few bumps he had in 2021. Which I think he can and will in 2022.

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

As far as Beasley goes, IMO, you are are off the mark.

 

 

Nah. He's washed. 

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nah. He's washed. 

 

In 15 games, Beasley has 78 receptions for for 662 yards. He has a 73% catch percentage, 33 (42%) of his catches have been for 1st downs, and 294 (44%) of his yards have been YAC.

 

His numbers haven't been quite what they were last year, you can say the same for every receiver outside of Knox. In fact, Diggs shows similar decreases in production (same statistical decreases in catch %, Y/trgt, etc) as Beasley. I think there are many contributing  variables.

 

IMO, Beasley may not have performed quite at the level he did last year, but I would hardly call him washed up.

[78thealltimegreat]

7 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

I actually think what the Bills lack is YAC.  I dont know if its the receivers, the type of offense they run, or the way Josh throws the football but our team is one of the worst in the league in YAC.  Most of Josh's yards are air yards.

 

Josh is 3rd in completed air yards

The Bills are 18th in YAC

 

By comparison

 

Mahomes is 10th in completed air yards

Chiefs are 1st in YAC

 

How many times do we watch other teams throw dunk passes and they go for 10-20 yards.  Our offense completely lacks that aspect of the game.

Good point we really don’t have guys who do things after they catch it 

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

In 15 games, Beasley has 78 receptions for for 662 yards. He has a 73% catch percentage, 33 (42%) of his catches have been for 1st downs, and 294 (44%) of his yards have been YAC.

 

His numbers haven't been quite what they were last year, you can say the same for every receiver outside of Knox. In fact, Diggs shows similar decreases in production (same statistical decreases in catch %, Y/trgt, etc) as Beasley. I think there are many contributing  variables.

 

IMO, Beasley may not have performed quite at the level he did last year, but I would hardly call him washed up.

 

He is noticeably slower to me out of his breaks. That is why more of the balls Josh has thrown his way this year have looked contested.

[CincyBillsFan]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Allen had 3 INTs. Baker had two, and the one on the final drive was completely on the receiver. Allen put the ball in jeopardy more than Mayfield did. They both had bad passing games. I'd argue Baker's game was less bad, and he was under a ton more pressure than Allen was.

 

You can guess that Allen might have had half as many sacks. But it's a guess.

 

Yes, passer rating doesn't look at runs. That's a strength just as much as a weakness.

 

You're right, I think, that no stats holistically capture the true level of play. Nothing does, really. It's impossible to separate the situation, the opponent, the pressure, and everything else. Nothing can, including viewer perceptions. Perceptions have large subjective components, which is why you get people arguing that this year Josh is better than he was last year, which appears nuts to most viewers.

 

It's too complex a system. Stats do a very good job, but certainly not perfect. Isolating any one factor in the wildly complex game of football is very difficult.

I disagree.  Allen threw the ball well (3 for 4 for 32 yards and also a 2 pt conversion throw) on the Bills two TD drives that won the game in the 2nd half.  Allen also threw the ball well on the first 2 TD drives of the game and on the 3rd drive before taking a bad risk in the throw to the end zone.

 

But watching both games IMO Allen's play, including his passing was much better then Mayfield's.  It was clear from my eye test.

 

 

[billsfan1959]

16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He is noticeably slower to me out of his breaks. That is why more of the balls Josh has thrown his way this year have looked contested.

 

I think your eyes are deceiving you.

 

According to Next Gen Stats, here are the top 10 receivers in Yards of Separation per catch:

 

Rondale Moore        ARI    5.7
Byron Pringle           KC    4.2
Gerald Everett         SEA    4.1
Noah Fant                DEN    4.1
Dawson Knox          BUF    4.1
Braxton Berrios       NYJ    4.1
Mecole Hardman    KC    4.1
Cole Beasley           BUF    4
Jonnu Smith            NE    4
Robert Woods         LAR    3.8

[Logic]

2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

As someone said upthread - the Bills need to add one or two YAC monsters to their offense.  Can’t remember the last time someone besides Allen broke a tackle upfield.  Defenses kept the Bills in front of them this season and they lacked the offensive personnel to take advantage of the space.  Beasley is WASHED.

 

1 hour ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

YAC is a real issue for the Bills this year. Of the top 9 QBs in total passing yards, all are also top 9 in YAC - except for Allen. Allen is 18th in YAC. The percentage of Allen's total yards that are YAC is significantly less than the other top QBs

 

 

I can't help but wonder:

How much of the Bills' lack of YAC is due to scheme, and how much is due to Allen's ball placement?

If I remember correctly, it sure seemed like this offense used to get big YAC numbers in New England. Why does it suddenly not get them here?

I know it's downright blasphemy to question Josh's throwing accuracy, but...is it possible his ball placement isn't always the best, and it's not often conducive to YAC? Or IS it a scheme thing?

Diggs and McKenzie, at the very least, should be good YAC guys. It's not like we don't have any on our roster.

[dave mcbride]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

 

I can't help but wonder:

How much of the Bills' lack of YAC is due to scheme, and how much is due to Allen's ball placement?

If I remember correctly, it sure seemed like this offense used to get big YAC numbers in New England. Why does it suddenly not get them here?

I know it's downright blasphemy to question Josh's throwing accuracy, but...is it possible his ball placement isn't always the best, and it's not often conducive to YAC? Or IS it a scheme thing?

Diggs and McKenzie, at the very least, should be good YAC guys. It's not like we don't have any on our roster.

One thing to factor in is the lack of deep ball success this season -- those plays where the QB hits someone over the top and they then run 40 yards for the score. Lots of overthrows this season, partly but not entirely due to weather. He hit more of those last season even though he still struggled with accuracy on those throws overall.

[billsfan1959]

7 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

One thing to factor in is the lack of deep ball success this season -- those plays where the QB hits someone over the top and they then run 40 yards for the score. Lots of overthrows this season, partly but not entirely due to weather. He hit more of those last season even though he still struggled with accuracy on those throws overall.

 

IMO, I see 3 primary reasons:

 

1.  I certainly do think there have been far more weather issues this year.

 

2. The complete instability along the Oline this year has really caused problems in putting together any type of rhythm in the passing game.

 

3. There has been a concentrated effort on the part of defenses this year to keep receptions in front of them. While Allen has thrown the same number of 40+ yd TDs (8) as he did last year, the 20+ yd completions where Allen made his living last year have been greatly reduced (33 this year vs 60 last year). I believe this strategy has been more successful against Buffalo as opposed to teams like KC because of (a) the ability to get pressure on Allen with just their front four, and (b) a complete lack of any kind of running game to keep defenses honest. That is why, IMO, the games Allen has been most successful in this year have been the ones where he took what the defenses this year have been willing to give him.

 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

I think your eyes are deceiving you.

 

According to Next Gen Stats, here are the top 10 receivers in Yards of Separation per catch:

 

Rondale Moore        ARI    5.7
Byron Pringle           KC    4.2
Gerald Everett         SEA    4.1
Noah Fant                DEN    4.1
Dawson Knox          BUF    4.1
Braxton Berrios       NYJ    4.1
Mecole Hardman    KC    4.1
Cole Beasley           BUF    4
Jonnu Smith            NE    4
Robert Woods         LAR    3.8

 

I confess that does surprise me but I still say it is noticeable that he is not as sharp out of breaks this year as last. Washed might have been a strong term but I do think clearly on the decline.

[transplantbillsfan]

On 1/4/2022 at 3:58 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It should be left out. It's essentially pure luck.

 

How many fumbles you drop can be said to be on you. How many are recovered by which guys in which jerseys is basically pure luck.

 

He had nine fumbles last year and eight this year. Pretty much exactly the same. The fact that he was a bit luckier this year about who picked them up doesn't say much about his performance. Either way.

 

 

 

 

There are "pure luck" interceptions as well.  Like when balls are tipped or when a WR decides to stop running a route.

 

So should Allen's last 2 interceptions also be left out?

 

Or if you want to include all fumbles, not just fumbles lost, shouldn't we also count all of those interceptions that were dropped by defenders?

 

It's impossible to measure pure luck, so sticking with the actual turnovers themselves is what makes the most sense.

 

Interceptions up.

 

Fumbles lost down.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I confess that does surprise me but I still say it is noticeable that he is not as sharp out of breaks this year as last. Washed might have been a strong term but I do think clearly on the decline.

But he’s also very clearly injured. Are we sure Beasley does not have a lingering rib problem? 
 

He was taking two steps and diving to the floor most of the year rather than risking getting hit. 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, FireChans said:

But he’s also very clearly injured. Are we sure Beasley does not have a lingering rib problem? 
 

He was taking two steps and diving to the floor most of the year rather than risking getting hit. 

 

Also a possibility.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He is noticeably slower to me out of his breaks. That is why more of the balls Josh has thrown his way this year have looked contested.

 

It really stood out to me when McKenzie played the slot, we really gained some plays that weren’t there with Beasley.

We probably would have lost some plays Beasley makes, too - plays where he’s got a PhD in figuring out where the gaps in zone defense will be - but the Pats were playing a lot of man and i-Mac smoked them in a way Beasley can’t.

18 minutes ago, FireChans said:

But he’s also very clearly injured. Are we sure Beasley does not have a lingering rib problem? 
He was taking two steps and diving to the floor most of the year rather than risking getting hit. 

 

Let’s hypothetically say Beasley had cracked ribs, couple of points:

1) is injured and hindered Beasley really better and more contributory than anyone else on the team?  McKenzie’s performance against the Pats says “maybe not” to me.  I know Beasley is a competitor, and it’s hard to keep him out, but sometimes I feel the team is “letting him call the shots” too much on whether to play or not.

2) cracked ribs are usually a 4-6 week injury, call it 8 weeks if he’s still putting stress on them.  This is 10 weeks.  Really should be healed.

[Scott7975]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

 

I can't help but wonder:

How much of the Bills' lack of YAC is due to scheme, and how much is due to Allen's ball placement?

If I remember correctly, it sure seemed like this offense used to get big YAC numbers in New England. Why does it suddenly not get them here?

I know it's downright blasphemy to question Josh's throwing accuracy, but...is it possible his ball placement isn't always the best, and it's not often conducive to YAC? Or IS it a scheme thing?

Diggs and McKenzie, at the very least, should be good YAC guys. It's not like we don't have any on our roster.

 

It was slightly better last year.  The Bills ranked 11th.  A little over 200 YAC last season as a whole more.  Which is really only about 12.5 ypg.  Not that significant as a whole.  I looked up Diggs and Beasley. 

 

Vikings 1130 yards 308 yac ~0.27 avg per yards receiving

2021 Diggs 1144 yards 297 yac ~0.26 avg per yards receiving

 

So about the same.  

 

Last season in Dallas 672 yards 190 yac ~0.28 avg per yards receiving

2021 Beasley 662 yards  294 yac ~0.45 avg per yards receiving

 

Beasley actually got a lot more yac here than in his last season in Dallas.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It really stood out to me when McKenzie played the slot, we really gained some plays that weren’t there with Beasley.

We probably would have lost some plays Beasley makes, too - plays where he’s got a PhD in figuring out where the gaps in zone defense will be - but the Pats were playing a lot of man and i-Mac smoked them in a way Beasley can’t.

 

Let’s hypothetically say Beasley had cracked ribs, couple of points:

1) is injured and hindered Beasley really better and more contributory than anyone else on the team?  McKenzie’s performance against the Pats says “maybe not” to me.  I know Beasley is a competitor, and it’s hard to keep him out, but sometimes I feel the team is “letting him call the shots” too much on whether to play or not.

2) cracked ribs are usually a 4-6 week injury, call it 8 weeks if he’s still putting stress on them.  This is 10 weeks.  Really should be healed.

Beasley wouldn’t be washed, he would be hurt. No idea what your #1 means.

 

As for #2, 4-6 weeks is when you aren’t getting tackled on the football field every other week. Do you think ribs heal faster when you’re getting hit by NFL players? Doctors on Goodell’s payroll would love to see that data.

Edited January 5, 2022 by FireChans

[Bruffalo]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Nah. He's washed. 

 

I don't know about washed, he's definitely a starting caliber slot receiver in this league, maybe even top 15. That being said, I don't know how much better he is than Isiah McKenzie, who for whatever reason seems like he's on McDermott's naughty list. It feels like a Gabe Davis situation to me, almost everyone outside of the team wants to see him get more snaps, but for whatever reason he doesn't.

[Mr. K]

Maybe we should bring in Baker for some competition...

[Bruffalo]

2 minutes ago, Mr. K said:

Maybe we should bring in Baker for some competition...

Darnold already has dibbs on being the next Bills backup.